IU vs O$U Game thread 1/30 7 pm

[reconmkd 4,347]

I like how the sky is falling and IU is going to be a bottom dweller forever after a game that we were expected to lose! I mean really people I don't think their is a coach is the world that could get this team to perform consistently! I for one am happy at the progress that Archie has made with the players that are still teachable! I mean think about how difficult it would be to take team that has never put any effort or had any accountability on defense and get them to where they are now. In the last 10 years have we EVER played defense, had a successful inbounds play, beat a zone defense, or executed any type of half court offense that didn't involve excessive dribbling or a shot clock violation or chucking a contested 3!
I just can't see how people are not seeing any progress! We have a roster full of role players, followers, non D1 players, and JMo. Although I want them to win every time they take the court, this year I knew I had to come to reality and lower my expectations. I see us getting a NIT invite and potentially winning a game or a few games which is "better" than last year


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[coonhounds 8,845]

@AssemblyCall: Interesting statistical note, but I don't know exactly what to make of it:
Archie Miller's first team at Dayton had the #2 FT% in the country (77.7%). After that, his Dayton teams ranked 103rd, 247th, 208th, 293rd, and 215th.
And now his first Indiana team is 323rd. #iubb

Of all the gloom and doom posts on this thread i have been able to stay positive but this post of stats scares me cause i have that thing in the back of my mind thinking archie could be part of the shooting problem. Still holding out hope it is a coincidence

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[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,257]

Improvement is definity there

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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,065]

 
DeRon Davis is out for the season. He was not top 30.
Both Diop and Tate were top 30.
Morgan was 102 and Smith is a freshman who was 75th.
 
 
 
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Diop 29. Davis 40
Tate 58. Johnson 49
Potter 243. Morgan 117
Jackson juco. McSwain juco
Wesson 74. Smith 77
Jallow 147. Moore 148
Young 79. Newkirk 120
Dakich WO. McRoberts WO
Green 197
Hartman 225


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[yogisballin 2,300]

This might be the best post of the night!

Yeah that was a good one for sure. I got a chuckle out of it


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[Uspshoosier 45,331]

Diop 29. Davis 40
Tate 58. Johnson 49
Potter 243. Morgan 117
Jackson juco. McSwain juco
Wesson 74. Smith 77
Jallow 147. Moore 148
Young 79. Newkirk 120
Dakich WO. McRoberts WO
Green 197
Hartman 225


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Dakich is on scholarship


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[ap2345 7,594]

Dear IU cliff jumpers, 

If you have a basketball IQ at all you should understand this. CAM is doing the best that he can with a very flawed team. Johnson and Newkirk are a walking TO. They might play great for an entire game but when it's on the line like against PU they choke. This team also does not have a B10 level pg on the roster. If you notice the games that CAM has time to game plan for the team competes at a much higher level more times than not. For the people that think we should be as good as OSU because they have a new coach too. I'm sorry to tell you guys but they have a much more talented and higher basketball IQ roster than IU at this point. We can thank FCTC for that. Ok I will end my rant now.

[Uspshoosier 45,331]

Diop 29. Davis 40
Tate 58. Johnson 49
Potter 243. Morgan 117
Jackson juco. McSwain juco
Wesson 74. Smith 77
Jallow 147. Moore 148
Young 79. Newkirk 120
Dakich WO. McRoberts WO
Green 197
Hartman 225


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Cam Williams 72


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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,065]

Dakich is on scholarship


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I know that. Converted Walkon in the same light as McRoberts who gave up a d1 scholarship to be a walkon.

Point is.....equally rated


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[coonhounds 8,845]

Question for anyone who has criticized our recruiting under archie at why you are so disappointed? I thought we were happy with the kids we have so far and still hope to add romeo. We really only had one 5 star who we thought we were in with that decided to stay home but we already have a guy coming in for same position. What am i missing

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[The Baby Bull 280]

Hey ! Wake up. We have Freddie Mc Swain playing a lot of minutes. I love Josh but he can’t score.Morgan is the only player we have that could start on a good IU team. Give Archie time.

[theriverpilot 5,589]

Of all the gloom and doom posts on this thread i have been able to stay positive but this post of stats scares me cause i have that thing in the back of my mind thinking archie could be part of the shooting problem. Still holding out hope it is a coincidence

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Instead of rank, I’d rather see those teams’ actually FT percentages for those years listed. 77% and 75% are close but could wildly range in a ranking of over 300 spots


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[mdn82 25,510]

Diop 29. Davis 40

Tate 58. Johnson 49

Potter 243. Morgan 117

Jackson juco. McSwain juco

Wesson 74. Smith 77

Jallow 147. Moore 148

Young 79. Newkirk 120

Dakich WO. McRoberts WO

Green 197

Hartman 225

 

 

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Ok. How is this even? Hell Jackson was a 2nd team all American as a Freshman in Juco and then signs with OSU. Four top 80 players with one being a 5 Star. We had 3 top 80 heading into this season. That was what started this convo. How does 3=4 when the 4 had a 5*?

 

Edit: you missed Kam Williams who also was a top 80 recruit (72 composite). 5>3.

 

 

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[dbmhoosier 851]

4 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Question for anyone who has criticized our recruiting under archie at why you are so disappointed? I thought we were happy with the kids we have so far and still hope to add romeo. We really only had one 5 star who we thought we were in with that decided to stay home but we already have a guy coming in for same position. What am i missing

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Well Crean inherited a much, much worse situation and he already a guy in Watford who was higher ranked than anyone Archie has landed.  I honestly thought he'd have a big time commit or two by now.  He could still get Romeo although I'm pretty confident he's going to Vandy.   I love Archies coaching though.  I'm just not sold on him as a recruiter yet.

[Uspshoosier 45,331]

I know that. Converted Walkon in the same light as McRoberts who gave up a d1 scholarship to be a walkon.

Point is.....equally rated


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In your eye did Davis play like a top 40 player his last year in high school or did you have concerns that top teams were dropping out of his recruitment? Has Johnson played like a top 50 player in his 4 Years here? Out of all that group of players you posted Bates-Diop was by far the best player to come out of high school. He was a borderline McDonald’s all American and was a 5 star in some instances. Before the season if you were picking teams in a pickup game out of those people you listed who are you taking first?


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[Stuhoo 79,864]

Diop 29. Davis 40

Tate 58. Johnson 49

Potter 243. Morgan 117

Jackson juco. McSwain juco

Wesson 74. Smith 77

Jallow 147. Moore 148

Young 79. Newkirk 120

Dakich WO. McRoberts WO

Green 197

Hartman 225

 

 

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You forgot Curtis Jones. Him and Davis have the same ability to help IU the rest of this season.

I see OSU with five rated 79 or better (add Williams). IU with two in the top 77.

Additionally, I’m guessing that Jackson was pretty good in Juco. Freddie was only good enough to start in Juco for about 1/2 of his two years there.

 

 

 

 

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[Bailey7878 2,506]

Diop 29. Davis 40
Tate 58. Johnson 49
Potter 243. Morgan 117
Jackson juco. McSwain juco
Wesson 74. Smith 77
Jallow 147. Moore 148
Young 79. Newkirk 120
Dakich WO. McRoberts WO
Green 197
Hartman 225


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Looks similar

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[DChoosier 8,041]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I'm as mystified as everyone else on why Moore hasn't been getting more minutes but maybe, just maybe, he's already made it clear that he does not plan on returning to IU next year.  Maybe not directly, but in so many indirect ways that he's cooked his own goose with Archie.  Pure speculation.

Rather than "cooked his own goose" my guess is that he just has not shown he is ready in practice.  Archie needs another big in these games but does not play him and that has to be because of skill...not because Archie thinks he is going to leave. I do not follow the "Moore should play more sentiment". Why? If Archie does not play him "just because" that is a very poor reflection on Archie.

[Ajwhitis 705]

2 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

One of the complaints Dayton fans had about Archie was his recruiting. Look at what Will Wade has done at LSU so far.

Cannot succeed at IU if you cannot recruit.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,063]

4 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

One of the complaints Dayton fans had about Archie was his recruiting. Look at what Will Wade has done at LSU so far.

Well when you're willing to get down and dirty like Will Wade it's easier to recruit. Archie's recruiting has been good so far. Thompson/Hunter/Anderson/Phinisse/Forrester is a solid first class.