IU versus Duke Pre-game Thread

[Baltimore Hoosier]

33 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Okay...so here's the problem with us having any chance at all against Duke:

Duke is stacked!

1. They have two of the likely top five picks in the next draft; in fact, they have FIVE likely NBA early picks in their rotation.
2. On the other hand, we have a under talented team, with a couple of reasonably well-ranked players. Our leaders are a physically strong but not that quick guard and a over-achieving senior forward who hasn't been on the floor all that much. Yes, we've got some size and strength, but it's largely young and raw, and hasn't had as much floor time as we'd like.
3. Even our head coach is new to the program, and is going against the venerable Coach K.

How the heck can we possibly compete with this #1 ranked team?!?

Oh...and by the way, if you're trying to identify who the people I've cited in the paragraph above are, the answers are:

1. Jay Williams and Mike Dunleavy. Also Carlos Boozer, Chris Duhon and Dahntay Jones.
2. Tom Coverdale, Jared Odle, Jeff Newton.
3. Mike Davis.

"Duke is just a name on a jersey. They're not the Lakers. Shaq and Kobe Bryant are not going to walk out of the dressing room in Lexington. We've got fight, man. We're not like the teams they beat by 40 who lay down and die. We're not punks. Nobody's punking us. Yeah, they got more NBA lottery picks, but it's Duke, man. It's just a name. I only fear one person and that's God. And the only human person I fear is my mother."

A.J Freakin' Moye, 2002

 

Love the optimism but that game in 2002 was basically a once in a lifetime type of win, to come back like that and beat THAT team... Completely insane.

Flash forward 15 years. This Duke team is loaded with freshmen who can play (when Grayson Allen fouled out against Texas with a few minutes to play, Duke played the rest of the way with 5 freshmen) as well as a crafty senior in Grayson Allen, who can shoot 8-10 from three one game, and 1-10 the next. Just have to hope IU gets him on an off night.

If you dodge that bullet, then you've got to account for Bagley, who is probably the closest thing to unguardable as there is. A poor man's Kevin Durant. Only not that much poorer... Juwan Morgan will probably draw the unfortunate duty of keeping up with him on Wednesday, and he will more than have his hands full.

Stop those two guys, and Indiana has a chance. I like that Indiana has Seniors at both guard positions to battle with some relative inexperience when Trent and Duval are on the floor. Would be nice to see Davis draw some fouls on Carter and Bagley rather than commit the fouls. IU really needs him on the floor in this one.

I'm predicting a 12-15 point Duke win but if things really go well for the Hoosiers (high shooting %'s/low foul %'s and minimal turnovers), they have a very outside chance of winning.

[Stuhoo]

11 minutes ago, Stromboli said:

 

 

We're missing Newton, Jeffries, Coverdale, Moye, Odle...   

 

I'm guessing that Archie will not have this team focused on what they're missing. He'll have them focused on what they need to do.

An Archie Miller-coached Indiana Hoosiers team might just have a little more grit and determination than many (but not all) of us are giving them credit for. And if you don't think that Wendell Carter can get in foul trouble just as easily as DeRon Davis, that Duval and Trent can force shots and play like freshmen, you may be in for a pleasant surprise. 

Lastly, sure, Duke has more talent. That's indisputable. But Duke's talent has only played at home, at neutral site gyms, and at high school-prep school gyms and all-star games. If you think that Duke's talent won't tighten up more than just a little bit in Assembly Hall? Well that's where I KNOW what's what. 

 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

I don't think CAM is the type of coach to circle games on the calendar.... but I have a feeling he's been thinking about this all year. This is a chance for him, and the student section at AH, to make their first statement of the Archie Era. I expect us to play a reeeeeal close game. Hopefully we have some of the AH magic working for us!

[OliviaPope40]

For me it is all about who shows up ready to play no matter whether you are home or away or on a neutral court because honestly where the is played does not matter. 

Edited November 27, 2017 by OliviaPope40

[LIHoosier]

4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

"Duke is just a name on a jersey. They're not the Lakers. Shaq and Kobe Bryant are not going to walk out of the dressing room in Lexington. We've got fight, man. We're not like the teams they beat by 40 who lay down and die. We're not punks. Nobody's punking us. Yeah, they got more NBA lottery picks, but it's Duke, man. It's just a name. I only fear one person and that's God. And the only human person I fear is my mother."

A.J Freakin' Moye, 2002

 

 

[Stuhoo]

For me it is all about who shows up ready to play no matter whether you are home or away or on a neutral court because honestly where the is played does not matter. 

Could not disagree more.
If Duke’s freshmen aren’t “ready to play,” it will largely influenced by where the game is being played.
In fact, it will be because Assembly Hall is making their little blue freshmen tallywackers pucker.



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[Me So Hornsby]

Went ahead and changed my wallpaper for this week:




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[OliviaPope40]

Possible referees? I assume TV Ted will be one of them and maybe Mike Eades.

Edited November 27, 2017 by OliviaPope40

[mdn82]

Possible referees? I assume TV Ted will be one of them and maybe Mike Eades.

If Ted Valentine is a ref I will kick a kitten.


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[JSHoosier]

3 minutes ago, OliviaPope40 said:

Possible referees? I assume TV Ted will be one of them and maybe Mike Eades.

[Alford Bailey]

Always have felt good about our chances in these type games in the Hall. Less confident this time around because I just dont think we have guys capable of getting hot from three like weve had in the past.

[BlueDevil]

Could not disagree more.
If Duke’s freshmen aren’t “ready to play,” it will largely influenced by where the game is being played.
In fact, it will be because Assembly Hall is making their little blue freshmen tallywackers pucker.



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Yep has ZERO chance at Duke and probably at a neutral site but the magic of Assembly Hall gives them a chance. My guys won’t play in another environment like this all year. It’s going to be a great test and going to be a lot of fun. I don’t think IU is going to back down and I don’t know how they could with a coach like Arch. IU has grown up a little bit since the ISU game. I wish more people on here were more enthusiastic about this game because I can’t wait.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

 

Yep has ZERO chance at Duke and probably at a neutral site but the magic of Assembly Hall gives them a chance. My guys won’t play in another environment like this all year. It’s going to be a great test and going to be a lot of fun. I don’t think IU is going to back down and I don’t know how they could with a coach like Arch. IU has grown up a little bit since the ISU game. I wish more people on here were more enthusiastic about this game because I can’t wait.

 

 

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Yeah, easy to be enthusiastic when you root for the #1 team in the country that drew a relatively easy ACC/B1G road test.

 

Most of us IU fans are just hoping we don't get embarrassed by the highest paid group of NIKE Elites in the land.

 

I don't mean this against you, just my feelings towards this game.

 

 

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[OliviaPope40]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Yeah, easy to be enthusiastic when you root for the #1 team in the country that drew a relatively easy ACC/B1G road test.

 

Most of us IU fans are just hoping we don't get embarrassed by the highest paid group of NIKE Elites in the land.

 

I don't mean this against you, just my feelings towards this game.

 

 

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This I agree with.

[HoosierAloha]

I could see Dook coming out like they did in Portland at the PK80. If we can get an early lead and dirty up the game we could hang in for a bit. I'm looking more towards seeing who is playing and who is competing for IU.


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[OliviaPope40]

And I assume that Vitale might announce the game but it will probably end up being Bilas. 

[hurryinghoosier5]

I don't think CAM is the type of coach to circle games on the calendar.... but I have a feeling he's been thinking about this all year. This is a chance for him, and the student section at AH, to make their first statement of the Archie Era. I expect us to play a reeeeeal close game. Hopefully we have some of the AH magic working for us!

I totally agree with this post. CTC definitely was the kind of coach to circle games and get his team to play inspired ball when overmatched. CAM seems to have a hold on the fact that this is IU and you shouldn’t be overmatched. Although they are overmatched, I still expect us to play very well.


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[schoosier]

Are the big heads gone and only part of the FCTC era? I sure hope so.

[dbmhoosier]

30 minutes ago, schoosier said:

Are the big heads gone and only part of the FCTC era? I sure hope so.

Yep.  Most of the sideshow is long gone.  Big heads, that clown like trainer on the sideline, etc.  Priller is the only one left.

[Trish]

We're due for a BS win, we always get a couple per year. This might be it, I have a special feeling about it. 

I think Duke shows up cold and by some miracle, our boys come out playing like players we've never seen before.