(2019) PF Trayce Jackson-Davis to INDIANA

[Bailey7878]

This why I’m confident all the message board chatter on TJD and Brooks will come to fruition, because it appears that Archie has backed off of any sort of back-up plans.  

Except nothing is ever guaranteed in recruiting. Things can change fast sometimes. Seems risky imo.

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[Bailey7878]

Yep he was going to commit within a few weeks of his visit. It was a done deal per Hoosier guy.

Didn’t 007 say the staff was very confident in getting Darius Garland all the way up till they didn’t? That alone gives me pause but trying to overrule myself on that hesitation


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[coonhounds]

We can't truly know what's happening between a recruit and the staff, but Franklin was considered a Xavier lean, then a Purdue lean, and wasn't thought of as a possibility for Indiana until on or after his OV on August 25. Bouknight and Harris had already set up official visits well before then, and skipped Bloomington. Jalen Lecque, Tre Mann and DJ Carton had already officially eliminated us. Given the timeline, the only guard target we perhaps backed off from was Jahmius Ramsey.

As for bigs, our most recent offer didn't go out to a guard, it went to Kadin Shedrick in August, a 6-11 C ranked 63 in the 247 Composite, exactly the profile you offer of a backup target. He's no longer on the board because he committed to Virginia.

I'm probably dragging this point out further than is necessary, and I absolutely hope Trayce and Keion commit to Indiana every bit as much as I'm sure you do. It just strikes me as overly optimistic, if not a touch naive, to believe the staff intentionally has no backup plan by design. No matter how confident they may be. The simplest explanation is they've just missed. Bill Self once said if you're not hearing "no" more often than you're hearing "yes" on the recruiting trail, then you're targeting the wrong players. Until this is over, it's not too late for Trayce or Keion to say "no" to Archie as well. And so we wait.

I think self ment to say then your not paying the players enough but i get what you are saying

 

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Elizabeth Kubler-Ross published her 5 Stages of Grief many years ago.  Methinks we need something similar to get us through recruitments.

[Brass Cannon]

20 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Elizabeth Kubler-Ross published her 5 Stages of Grief many years ago.  Methinks we need something similar to get us through recruitments.

The 5 stages of a recruitment 

Stage 1: Intrigue - Kid could/would be great in our system.

Stage 2: Confusion - Why is kid doing X

Stage 3: Defeat - He hasn’t committed yet. He must hate us 

Stage 4: Frustration - Why is he dragging this on OMG

Stage 5: Elation or Acceptance - Hes committed to IU or the University of not Indiana

[mdn82]

Elizabeth Kubler-Ross published her 5 Stages of Grief many years ago.  Methinks we need something similar to get us through recruitments.

1. Excitement
2. Frustration from lack of commits by the summer session.
3. Renewed optimism when the OV happens.
4. Renewed skepticism when said player doesn’t commit right after OV.
5. Justifications of personal beliefs and posts after player commits wherever.

Rinse and repeat every year like a broken record.

Personally I am down for a board friendly wage we get TJD if anyone is feeling that pessimistic. And for those that knew me during the Scout days the last bet I made was for Kelsey Barlow vs Victor Oladipo. I don’t bet often.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

5 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

1. Excitement
2. Frustration from lack of commits by the summer session.
3. Renewed optimism when the OV happens.  Hoosier Guy says it's a done deal.
4. Renewed skepticism when said player doesn’t commit right after OV. they see the drop ceilings.
5. Justifications of personal beliefs and posts after player commits wherever. 
 

Maybe a couple of slight modifications?

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

The 5 stages of a recruitment 
Stage 1: Intrigue - Kid could/would be great in our system.
Stage 2: Confusion - Why is kid doing X
Stage 3: Defeat - He hasn’t committed yet. He must hate us 
Stage 4: Frustration - Why is he dragging this on OMG
Stage 5: Elation or Acceptance - Hes committed to IU or the University of not Indiana

I never worry about number 4

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[Bailey7878]

But he sure thought he did. Garland (alpha dog) and Romeo were a 100% package deal. He said bank it.

Hoosier Guy has zero inside info.

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[HooHooHoo22]

I think we all know garland and his family threw everyone for a loop after the IU official. He was going to Vanderbilt no matter what


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[BGleas]

2 hours ago, Maedhros said:

We can't truly know what's happening between a recruit and the staff, but Franklin was considered a Xavier lean, then a Purdue lean, and wasn't thought of as a possibility for Indiana until on or after his OV on August 25. Bouknight and Harris had already set up official visits well before then, and skipped Bloomington. Jalen Lecque, Tre Mann and DJ Carton had already officially eliminated us. Given the timeline, the only guard target we perhaps backed off from was Jahmius Ramsey.

As for bigs, our most recent offer didn't go out to a guard, it went to Kadin Shedrick in August, a 6-11 C ranked 63 in the 247 Composite, exactly the profile you offer of a backup target. He's no longer on the board because he committed to Virginia.

I'm probably dragging this point out further than is necessary, and I absolutely hope Trayce and Keion commit to Indiana every bit as much as I'm sure you do. It just strikes me as overly optimistic, if not a touch naive, to believe the staff intentionally has no backup plan by design. No matter how confident they may be. The simplest explanation is they've just missed. Bill Self once said if you're not hearing "no" more often than you're hearing "yes" on the recruiting trail, then you're targeting the wrong players. Until this is over, it's not too late for Trayce or Keion to say "no" to Archie as well. And so we wait.

This can all cut both ways. I was reading on message boards a couple weeks before Franklin's visit that a commit (not a specific name, but a commit would be soon) from someone was close to happening. So might sound crazy, but maybe the staff knew some things before we did on or after Franklin's visit on the 25th. Then as Franklin's visit approached chatter started coming in that he would likely commit after the visit. That chatter started before his visit, not after.  

As far as a guy like Shedrick, he was said to have interest in IU and then made a quick commitment to Virginia. Who knows why that offer was made and/or why his attention went to Virginia so quickly? Could be Archie really wanted him but he fell in love with Virginia, and could also be he felt TJD was the priority and likely to come to IU, probably a combination. 

I'm not saying Archie is some recruiting wizard that is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers, nor am I saying that TJD and Brooks are 100% locks, just saying the strong indications are that they are IU leans, TJD probably much bigger than Brooks, and that Archie seems to not have lined up any backup plans, which is not like him. 

I'm sure the long list of guards IU went after over the summer weren't all cooled on because Archie cooled, a few probably didn't have a ton of interest for a variety of reasons, but I still think over the summer Archie narrowed on TJD, Brooks and a guard, and as the summer winded down things came into focus that Franklin would likely commit and IU was really close on TJD and Brooks, close enough to warrant basically going 'all-in'. 

[Uspshoosier]

1. Excitement
2. Frustration from lack of commits by the summer session.
3. Renewed optimism when the OV happens.
4. Renewed skepticism when said player doesn’t commit right after OV.
5. Justifications of personal beliefs and posts after player commits wherever.

Rinse and repeat every year like a broken record.

Personally I am down for a board friendly wage we get TJD if anyone is feeling that pessimistic. And for those that knew me during the Scout days the last bet I made was for Kelsey Barlow vs Victor Oladipo. I don’t bet often.


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Lol that was great. I remember the Purdue fan making that bet. Didn’t he also bet that Travis Carroll would have a better college career then Zeller. Good times


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[HoosierAloha]

Lol that was great. I remember the Purdue fan making that bet. Didn’t he also bet that Travis Carroll would have a better college career then Zeller. Good times


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And one of their Johnsons would be better than Yogi...


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[HinnyHoosier]

Hoosier Guy has zero inside info.

Nor has he ever claimed to. He’s an optimistic person and that’s where it stops. There’s not a thing wrong with it.


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[Hoosier Guy]

Ever since Archie took over, we’ve seen how he’s going to return IU to prominence. That’s why I’m optimistic. But I’ve not always been that way. You can go back and read my posts when Crean was coach. They were completely negative. Archie is the real deal. IU is a force to be reckoned with once again

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Ever since Archie took over, we’ve seen how he’s going to return IU to prominence. That’s why I’m optimistic. But I’ve not always been that way. You can go back and read my posts when Crean was coach. They were completely negative. Archie is the real deal. IU is a force to be reckoned with once again

It honestly feels that way but we need to start winning before the honeymoon phase is over with local recruits.


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[Hoosier Guy]

10 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It honestly feels that way but we need to start winning before the honeymoon phase is over with local recruits.


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Only have to wait three more weeks for that

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Hoosier Guy has zero inside info.

I don't believe he ever claimed to be an insider.

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[MikeRoberts]

I don't believe he ever claimed to be an insider.

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He didn’t, and doesn’t which makes it strange to state things with absolute certainty all the times


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[ALASKA HOOSIER]

8 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

He didn’t, and doesn’t which makes it strange to state things with absolute certainty all the times


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He's just passionate, nothing more. I love his optimism.