Poll: Archie Miller

[JaybobHoosier]

I think a lot of frustration with the Wisconsin game is from what happened last year. Too many times this team would fail to show up and get run out of the gym. I get it can happen one or two times a year, but fear is settling in that an Archie Miller team may be prone to these sort of outings more than just a couple. To me, one is unacceptable because a team should never fail to show up with lack of effort and trying, but last years team is still very fresh in a lot of people’s minds.

 

I am not rushing to judgement yet, but it is a little worrisome that this performance is showing up again. I will definitely wait to see the next handful of games away from Assembly Hall to see how things go, but this can’t happen more than twice in a season.

 

I am still confident in Archie, but want to see this team’s mindset the rest of the season. There’s no way we can ever play that way in the Big10, especially on the road and expect to compete. I still really like this team, and we’ve done well this season without a top Big10 point guard and lack of production recently from our two big men (Brunk and Davis).

 

I encourage everyone to keep hope, I am and I still have some skepticism in me, but this team has shown what it’s capable of, and I believe that will be a consistent norm this season. Last year we had some great performance that pumped us up, but I was always worried because we had 3 or 4 non-conference games where we greatly struggled. That hasn’t really been the case this year. I’ve said since last season this would be a team that barely makes it into the NCAA Tournament, and I believe that is still the case. If IU finishes 3-1 the next 4, that puts IU’s record at 11-2. IU will need to get 9 more wins to get in IMO. We have 9 games at home that are very winnable outside of OSU and Maryland (MSU could sneak into that). We also have road games that we can win in Rutgers, Nebraska, Illinois, PSU, and Minnesota.

 

If we come out with another performance like Wisconsin I will be a lot more worried and frustrated, but I will wait until that happens again.

 

 

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[Me So Hornsby]

Threads like this make it so easy to stay away from this forum


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[psychobat3]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

You are literally counting two people who have played road games against big ten opponents to boost your numbers. So sure if you just make stuff up the number gets quite large. 
 

Damezi played in 6 of 9 big ten road games last year. 
 

Brunk has played numerous big ten road and neutral games during his time at Butler. 

Didn't realize Butler was in the BIG10.  It seems that you just want to argue.

Lets go back to your original statement about Archie being so overwhelmed.  Where does that actually come from? Not from the video that you posted the picture from for sure.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

While I see your point. I think it’s a poor comparison. 
 
Lincoln was enduring the toughest presidency of just about any elected president ever. And made a large number of mistakes prolonging the war.  
We are asking Archie to win some basketball games.   

Actually that picture of Lincoln was taken well before his Presidency. He had a full beard at his inauguration. He also maintained it throughout. But, yeah, that look is because of the Civil War(sarcasm)

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[Alford Bailey]

Now we are discussing Lincoln LOL! Thanks to the mail man.

[Uspshoosier]

I was asking for Lincoln being president back in 1859


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[Brass Cannon]

Archie sycophants used to use false equivalencies with K to defend him. Now they have moved on to Lincoln. Surreal. 
 

Not sure why it’s so difficult for some to entertain the concept that Archie isn’t the guy. Your hope without basis in evidence isn’t going to make him anymore successful. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Now we are discussing Lincoln LOL! Thanks to the mail man.

Merely pointing out that pic wasn't from the 1860s. He claimed it was because of that.

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Archie sycophants used to use false equivalencies with K to defend him. Now they have moved on to Lincoln. Surreal. 
 
Not sure why it’s so difficult for some to entertain the concept that Archie isn’t the guy. Your hope without basis in evidence isn’t going to make him anymore successful. 

First of all, I didn't mention Archie. You are the one that said his expression in that photo was because of the trials of his Presidency. I merely pointed that argument doesn't work, because it wasn't taken during that timeframe

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[Walking Boot of Doom]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

I made a statement people argued with me. If your triggered by ideas you don’t agree with the internet isn’t the place for you. 

Lol I'm not "triggered" I'm laughing at how furiously you're arguing a subjective point over a single photo. It's actually insane.

I think I need to step away from here - I spend way too much time reading and responding to **** like this.

[Feathery]

13 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Like I said I want Archie to succeed but this guy looks completely overwhelmed 

I’ve actually felt the opposite. I’ve felt all season he seems more comfortable and confident than he has at IU. Watching him early in the Wisconsin game, I felt that he knew it was getting out of hand early and didn’t call the earlier timeout to see if the guys were tough enough to pull through. It’s early, they didn’t pull the game back, so now he can teach and let the team grow. 

Im still in wait and see mode. I thought Crean left a **** roster and any coach would need 3-4 years, unless we went U.K. style recruiting. I do expect a tournament birth this season. If not, next year should be the hot seat. 

[HoosierAloha]

Post hot take

When it’s debunked, dig in deeper and call everyone out

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[BGleas]

16 minutes ago, Feathery said:

I’ve actually felt the opposite. I’ve felt all season he seems more comfortable and confident than he has at IU. Watching him early in the Wisconsin game, I felt that he knew it was getting out of hand early and didn’t call the earlier timeout to see if the guys were tough enough to pull through. It’s early, they didn’t pull the game back, so now he can teach and let the team grow. 

Im still in wait and see mode. I thought Crean left a **** roster and any coach would need 3-4 years, unless we went U.K. style recruiting. I do expect a tournament birth this season. If not, next year should be the hot seat. 

Agree completely, on both points. In terms of Archie being 'overwhelmed', he doesn't strike me as the type of guy that gets overwhelmed or lacks confidence very easily. I'm sure he knows what he's doing and what needs to be done. How it executes remains to be seen, but he's not 'overwhelmed'. 

[kreigh8]

Man what happened to this place? Mods digging up threads from years ago in hopes of embarrassing another poster and now we’re talking about Lincoln’s beard length during the Civil War? So much for staying on topic

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

I was asking for Lincoln being president back in 1859


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Old Fart voted for him in 1860.

 

[Old Friend]

4 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

He’s supposed to deal with it by not letting it happen on a regular basis. 

You're putting toothpaste back in the tube.   It hasn't happened on a regular basis this season.  The rear view mirror is exactly that.  Last year was last year with a completely different team and roster.  Means nothing about what will happen.   Let's see what happens when we get our point guard back and play a few more games.  At that point, if signs are negative you'll have company.  Plenty of it.  Nobody here...not one person is happy with mediocrity or losing.   Don't pretend people are accepting losses or have lowered their standards or that you're by yourself with high expectations.  You're not.   The difference between you and a couple others and everyone else is you seem to believe one bad sign is a definitive indicator of what WILL happen.  As if the house of cards just fell over because we lost at Wisconsin.  And you seem to want every game...every play to show whatever you want to see or your reaction falls off the cliff.  

Indiana University screwed up the basketball program 19 years ago.  Archie Miller is the first coach since then who's truly taken positive steps to fix the problems on a permanent basis,   He has changed the roster.  He's changed the kids he recruits (and if I agree with Dan Dakich on anything it's that you cannot recruit just one kid who has an alternative agenda); and he has changed some things offensively.

That said, without a point guard and on ball defender, we can't get into our stuff and we can't take things away the way we need to.  That was on full display on Saturday.   It has not yet happened on a regular basis.   Any more than the positives have against good teams.    What I see here is an emotional reaction to an event.  I understand that, but emotional reactions don't define anything.  Nor do the events that cause them unless ....they become permanent.   This isn't permanent in any way yet, and if it becomes permanent, you'll get your wish.

Personally?   I think he needs more leaders and more kick-a$$ kids who can pull a team up when a game like Saturday happens.  I don't think that player exists right now, and it manifested into a problem on Saturday.  

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

30 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Old Fart voted for him in 1860.

 

3 times to be exact!  

[BGleas]

32 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Personally?   I think he needs more leaders and more kick-a$$ kids who can pull a team up when a game like Saturday happens.  I don't think that player exists right now, and it manifested into a problem on Saturday.  

Agree with your post, but wanted to specifically mention this last part. I completely agree. Did you see in the Wisconsin game when they came back from a timeout and highlighted Trice basically running Wisconsin's timeout? 

Name me one guy on IU's roster that is capable of that or willing to be that kind of leader? There just isn't anybody, and there certainly isn't anybody in the senior and junior classes or in the class that just graduated that can do that.  

[Jeff_Boy_Ardee]

Archie sycophants used to use false equivalencies with K to defend him. Now they have moved on to Lincoln. Surreal. 
 
Not sure why it’s so difficult for some to entertain the concept that Archie isn’t the guy. Your hope without basis in evidence isn’t going to make him anymore successful. 

I totally understand you’re opinion that Archie is not the guy. Personally I have faith still and am going to wait what happens the rest of the year and next year. But I am curious who you think we could have REALISTICALLY get that would have taken this program to the tournament with success in year 1/2.

Mack and Holtmann were never coming, didn’t come, and inherited better teams. I’m just generally interested in to see who the people that have the same feelings as you think we could pluck because with the state the program has been in the last 15 years or so we are never pulling an establish coach at an established program. And if we keep calling for someone’s head after 3-4 years our prospects will continue to get worse and worse.

So just curious, who do you REALISTICALLY think we can get whenever we want just because we used to be IU


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[pumpfake]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

3 times to be exact!  

Living in Chicago in those days I presume...lol