Welcome Coach Miller

[Miller'sTheMan]

1 hour ago, Bowhunter said:

I wouldn't worry about him leaving for OSU. I know he said it was a dream job but Indiana has a better past and hopefully a brighter future.

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Not to mention IU should be more than willing to surpass anything OSU would be willing to offer Archie if he's successful here. 

Remember Archie turned down multiple power 5 offers (NC State comes to mind) in order to wait for the right opening. He obviously thinks very highly of the IU job.

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N]

My friend who will be one of my roommates next school year told me his grandpa is upset at the hire... 83 years old... Wanted Alford. Ugh. Have no understanding as to why someone would prefer a 52 year old coach who's made the tournament less than a third of his years coaching D-I who also defended a sexual predator.

 

I at least can understand why my dad, grandpa and cousin are worried that Archie might be a lateral move.

 

Personally I love this hire. I just look at Archie's consistency getting to the tourney 4 straight years and compare Archie's and Crean's stats in the areas where I griped about Crean's coaching pre-firing. If you cut Archie's career in halves, his teams have cut back on turnovers better than Crean's, increased in defensive prowess (opposite of Crean's) and have not become as 3pt dependent as Crean's.

 

In the first 3 years ('11-'13) Archie's teams averaged 13.1 turnovers/game. In the latter 3 years, the average was 12.0/game (a 1.1/game improvement) . In only one season (2012-13) did the Flyers average more than 13.0 turnovers/game.

 

Crean's team's average from '11-'13: 13.6. From '14-'16: 13.4/game (only a 0.2/game improvement). In only 3 seasons did Crean's Hoosiers average 13.0 turnovers/game or less (2011-12, 2012-13 and 2014-15).

 

Next, look at defense.

Archie's teams allowed an average 67.1 points/game from 2011-13. From 2014-16: 64.5/game (2.6/game decrease/improvement).

 

Crean's teams from 2011-13: 65.4 opposing points/game. From 2014-16: 71.6/game (6.2/game increase/regression).

 

Its noteworthy that Crean's low in points allowed over the stretch was 62.1/game (2012-13: Zeller's sophomore year) while Archie's was 60.8/game (2014-15: the year he had nobody over 6'6" on the team).

I'm pretty sure if you averaged Kenpom AdjD rankings, the trend would be the same/similar.

 

Finally: Dependency on 3-Pointers. I know IU shoots a relatively high percentage on 3's, but I feel like a lot of our losses this year came when we didn't shoot lights out ("living and dying by the 3").

 

Archie's teams 2011-13: 18.5 3PAtt./game. 2014-16: 19.7/game (1.2/game increase).

 

Crean's teams 2011-13: 16.2/game. 2014-16: 23.3/game (7.1/game increase).

 

Again, I know Crean's teams (at least this year's team anyway) made a higher percentage of threes than Archie's, and higher percentage on more shots means more points scored. I feel, however like we had on nights where we kicked a$$ with the 3, but way too many off nights, where the high number of attempts and high number of misses killed us.

 

To me, statistically speaking, Archie has improved (or at least not gone crazy as far as 3s go) in three critical facets of coaching consistent basketball teams, while Crean regressed in those areas.

Crean seems to have peaked (at IU) in 2012 (and his peak was the Sweet 16 with a Ridiculously talented and experienced team), then mostly gone downhill. Plus he's 51 years old.

Archie appears to be on the upswing as a coach and is only 38. He's still growing and has plenty of time to do so, and already showed more consistency than CTC ever did.

 

Please let me know of flaws in my logic and/or math. Was up too late when I wrote this.

 

[yogisballin]

Welcome Mr Archie!!! Look forward to IUBB future, and could not be happier with our choice!

[Capt. Crimson]

People are going to lose their minds when Billy finally walks out on stage at 3pm today. Glass with the ultimate smokescreen!!!

[Trish]

Anyone else going to the pressers tomorrow? I think I've decided in going. More and more excited about this hire everyday

I'll probably stop by for a few seconds


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[Tom White]

Bored went to see who is following Archie now. A lot of celebs are now lol and most importantly Shane Hiermann(La Lumiere) and Lawrence Norths HC, Park Tudor and a few other HS school coaches in the area.

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Point of curiosity. Were any of those coaches following Crean?

[Trish]

Is Billy hired yet? :(


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[Uspshoosier]

Courtside podcast today: Final Four preview with @SethOnHoops plus new @IndianaMBB coach Archie Miller joins us this afternoon.
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[biteoftheapple]

Treesh, this is just my opinion, and you are certainly welcome to yours, but most of us do not need the negativity you are bringing to the board. If you have to be negative, try to please keep your own misery.

[theriverpilot]

8 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Is Billy hired yet? :(


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Billy who?

[Trish]

Treesh, this is just my opinion, and you are certainly welcome to yours, but most of us do not need the negativity you are bringing to the board. If you have to be negative, try to please keep your own misery.

Wasn't trying to be negative, was more of the lines of funny. Miller has been on my coaching board for the last 3 months.

I just wanted Billy. Lol


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[theriverpilot]

6 hours ago, CR3AMnCR1MS0N said:

My friend who will be one of my roommates next school year told me his grandpa is upset at the hire... 83 years old... Wanted Alford. Ugh. Have no understanding as to why someone would prefer a 52 year old coach who's made the tournament less than a third of his years coaching D-I who also defended a sexual predator.

 

Not trying to knock your grandpa here but I think a large portion of the older generation just can't let go of the Knight glory years.  They think that any connection to him or the era is the answer, regardless of the candidates abilities or flaws, and it's clearly not. I think this is that "IU guy" mentality that I just don't understand.

[Hovadipo]

Not trying to knock your grandpa here but I think a large portion of the older generation just can't let go of the Knight glory years.  They think that any connection to him or the era is the answer, regardless of the candidates abilities or flaws, and it's clearly not. I think this is that "IU guy" mentality that I just don't understand.

Yeah I believe this is it. My grandparents wanted Alford too. It's hard to blame them. Their IU glory years were Knight and Alford, etc. and they don't keep up like I do, it's just what they know.

[bigrod]

27 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

 

Yeah I believe this is it. My grandparents wanted Alford too. It's hard to blame them. Their IU glory years were Knight and Alford, etc. and they don't keep up like I do, it's just what they know.

I was around for Alford's glory years and wanted nothing to do with him. I truly think we got one of the best young coaches out there and we will be pretty happy even to see what he is able to do with whatever players decide to stay from Crean's tenure.

I'm not saying he is the next Bob Knight, but the situations are pretty similar. Knight wasn't immediately accepted by a lot of the fan base, based on what I've read. Many were turned off by his slow-it-down offensive style. Winning cures all, and I think in a few years, the fan base will look back and wonder how we managed to bring this guy in.

We missed on Stevens because he was young and unproven, same with Matta and some others. I contend that Miller offers a floor about where we are right now, and a much higher ceiling. Once he starts building relationships with HS players and coaches, we will be on our way.

[GloryDays]

Not trying to knock your grandpa here but I think a large portion of the older generation just can't let go of the Knight glory years.  They think that any connection to him or the era is the answer, regardless of the candidates abilities or flaws, and it's clearly not. I think this is that "IU guy" mentality that I just don't understand.

I'm a guy who watched all the glory years with Knight and never missed a game even if it was just radio.
His last few years his coaching slipped.I was ready for him to go when it happened and with his behavior as late have lost a lot of respect for him.
Loved Alford as a player, but as a coach not so much. Most know the Pierce/Alford story.
I'm encouraged by what I have read that Miller holds his players accountable.Crean didnt until his hand was forced.He never did in game.
I'm excited by this hire and believe we'll se a totally different culture on and off the floor.It feels good to be a Hoosier fan again.

[theriverpilot]

1 minute ago, Woodson1980 said:

I'm a guy who watched all the glory years with Knight and never missed a game even if it was just radio.
His last few years his coaching slipped.I was ready for him to go when it happened and with his behavior as late have lost a lot of respect for him.
Loved Alford as a player, but as a coach not so much. Most know the Pierce/Alford story.
I'm encouraged by what I have read that Miller holds his players accountable.Crean didnt until his hand was forced.He never did in game.
I'm excited by this hire and believe we'll se a totally different culture on and off the floor.It feels good to be a Hoosier fan again.

I guess I should state that I too was around during those years as well.  They were good, exciting years but this is a new era.  I'm more excited by the Miller hire every day and ready to see what he can build.

[Hoosierfan2017]

I hope Archie likes to work the refs. Crean not doing it really hurt us at times imo. I wouldn't mind a few techs from time to time. 

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N]

Not trying to knock your grandpa here but I think a large portion of the older generation just can't let go of the Knight glory years.  They think that any connection to him or the era is the answer, regardless of the candidates abilities or flaws, and it's clearly not. I think this is that "IU guy" mentality that I just don't understand.

Not my grandpa, my friend's. All my family I talked to thought an Alford hire was a bad idea.

I agree with your statement though.

[theriverpilot]

1 minute ago, CR3AMnCR1MS0N said:

 

Not my grandpa, my friend's. All my family I talked to thought an Alford hire was a bad idea.

I agree with your statement though.

 

Oops, sorry CR.  I'm still working on my reading comprehension skills! lol

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N]

Oops, sorry CR.  I'm still working on my reading comprehension skills! lol

It's cool, my same, said family isn't really on board wit Archie yet, but I'm pretty sure he'll show them! Haha