Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[HoosierTrav]

Personally, I think that players should be allowed to turn pro right out of high school and leave college at any time they want to turn pro as well.  Ultimately, it shouldn't be what is best for the fans.  Players should be able to make their own decisions. 
If someone offered you a dream job after your freshman of college in the major you were going into and the employer didn't care about the lack of degree, then I think no one would argue with you doing so....yet we want to keep players from doing so when ultimately the degree is meaningless to the actual thing they are wanting to turn professional in?
You don't have to agree with the decision of a player to leave to agree that they should have the right to do so.
 

I completely agree.

[Hoosierfan2017]

6 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Personally, I think that players should be allowed to turn pro right out of high school and leave college at any time they want to turn pro as well.  Ultimately, it shouldn't be what is best for the fans.  Players should be able to make their own decisions. 

If someone offered you a dream job after your freshman of college in the major you were going into and the employer didn't care about the lack of degree, then I think no one would argue with you doing so....yet we want to keep players from doing so when ultimately the degree is meaningless to the actual thing they are wanting to turn professional in?

You don't have to agree with the decision of a player to leave to agree that they should have the right to do so.

 

Their dream job is with the NBA and the NBA can decide what qualifications a player has to have to be hired, just like any other employer. Right now they've decided that players have to be out of high school for a year to be eligible to play in their league. I don't necessarily agree with it, but the NBA definitely has the right to make that rule. 

[CrossboneIU22]

1 hour ago, Schreckbagger said:

 

That's what I've been saying....And force the NBA to establish their own minor league system other than the NCAA.

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Actually agreeing with you on this point  but to further expand on this point:

The NBA has the D-League 

What needs to happen but won't, is something like this:

1. General Rules regarding D League formation.
   1. Give a D League Team to each NBA Team
   2. Rosters
      1. NBA team is allowed 15 spots, 12 or 13 active (whatever current rule is)
      2. NBADL team is allowed 15 spots, 15 active for games
      3. NBADL cannot exceed 5 NBA contract players (unless due to injury)
      4. Organization is allowed 3 injury designations that does not factor in to the 30 organization spots available.
   3. Put each of these teams in a thriving market with no NBA team and relatively close geographically.
   4. 62 Game Schedule (Play every team outside division 2 times and teams in division 3 times)
   5. Take the revenue from the NBADL team and supplement the team with the NBA revenue from the players side of profit since this is primarily for player development and players.
   6. Standard NBADL contract salary is $250,000 (excluding rookie contracts)
2. General Draft Rule Changes:
   1. Add 3rd round to NBA Draft  (Logistically, may need a 4th round as well?)
   2. Get rid of the stashing draft rights to overseas players.  They either come and play that season, or go back into draft pool for following year and cannot sign with a team without being drafted or failing to be drafted after two drafts.
   3. 1st Round Gauranteed NBA Rookie Contract
3. NBADL Rookie Contracts and Player Eligibility (All rookie contracts end with Restricted Free Agent status)
   1. Out of High School with High School Diploma
      1. Enter Draft
         1. If selected in 1st round, NBA teams must sign them to NBA Contract.
         2. If selected in 2nd round, may be signed to NBA or NBADL contract.
         3. If selected in 3rd round, must sign NBADL contract. (This becomes 4th round if 4th round is neccesary)
            1. NBA Contract
               1. Normal NBA Rookie Player Rules
            2. TNBADL Contract
               1. $50,000/yr
               2. 3 year deal with team option after each year
               3. 1 year mandatory NBADL period before being able to be called up to the NBA roster.
   2. College 1 year Experience
      1. Not eligible to enter draft.
   3. College 2 years Experience
      1. Not eligible to enter draft.
      2. May be invited to Sophmore Prospects camp (similar to a Combine type event) to get feedback from actual teams/scouts.
   4. College 3 years Experience (If player earns degree in 3 years, see #5 below)
      1. Can Declare for Draft without an Agent and return or enter draft. If agent hired, cannot return
      2. No restrictions on what contract can be signed outside of normal draft contract rules.
      3. If signed to NBA contract, normal NBA player.
      4. If signed to NBADL contract:
         1. $100,000/yr
         2. 3 year deal with team option after final year
         3. 1 Month mandatory transition period 
   5. College 4+ years Experience or College Degree (Exclueds 2 year college degrees)
      1. Eligible to enter draft
      2. No restrictions on what contract can be signed outside of normal draft contract rules. 
      3. If signed to NBA contract, normal NBA player.
      4. If signed to NBADL contract:
         1. $250,000/yr
         2. 3 year guaranteed deal with player option after final year.
         3. No mandatory waiting period to be called up to NBA
4. NBADL/NBA Movement Rules (Similar to Baseball's rules for this, assume baseball rule unless noted below)
   1. Call Ups
      1. Rookie Contracts - Eligibility and rules listed above. 
      2. NBADL Regular Contracts - No restriction.
      3. Contracts:
         1. NBA/NBADL Rookie Contracts - Contract does not change unless waived.
         2. NBADL Regular Contract
            1. May be offered NBA contract at any time.
            2. If remaining on main roster for start of next season, must be signed to NBA contract or sent back to NBADL
         3. NBA Regular Contract - No changes to NBA contract.
   2. Send Down
      1. A player may be sent down for any reason.
      2. Max of 3 times per consecutive time with organization, player then must be waived or rookie contract ends.
      3. Contracts;
         1. NBA/NBADL Rookie Contract - Contract does not change unless waived or not resigned.
         2. NBADL Regular Contract - Contract does not change unless signed to NBA Contract, waived or not resigned.
         3. NBA Regular Contract
            1. Player may remain on NBA contract if sent down under any of these conditions:
               1. If due to injury/rehab assignment.  
                  1. Cannot exceed 5 games or 14 days.
                  2. Player must miss 5 consecutive games to be eligible for rehab assignment
               2. If max NBA contracts is not exceeded.
               3. Duration cannot exceed into start of next season (unless due to injury)
               4. If conditions above are not met, player must be kept on main roster or waived.

 

Sorry so long but it just all started spewing out after starting to type.

Thanks for anyone who actually read through it all.

[Dalton26]

4 minutes ago, CrossboneIU22 said:

Actually agreeing with you on this point  but to further expand on this point:

The NBA has the D-League 

What needs to happen but won't, is something like this:

1. General Rules regarding D League formation.
   1. Give a D League Team to each NBA Team
   2. Rosters
      1. NBA team is allowed 15 spots, 12 or 13 active (whatever current rule is)
      2. NBADL team is allowed 15 spots, 15 active for games
      3. NBADL cannot exceed 5 NBA contract players (unless due to injury)
      4. Organization is allowed 3 injury designations that does not factor in to the 30 organization spots available.
   3. Put each of these teams in a thriving market with no NBA team and relatively close geographically.
   4. 62 Game Schedule (Play every team outside division 2 times and teams in division 3 times)
   5. Take the revenue from the NBADL team and supplement the team with the NBA revenue from the players side of profit since this is primarily for player development and players.
   6. Standard NBADL contract salary is $250,000 (excluding rookie contracts)
2. General Draft Rule Changes:
   1. Add 3rd round to NBA Draft  (Logistically, may need a 4th round as well?)
   2. Get rid of the stashing draft rights to overseas players.  They either come and play that season, or go back into draft pool for following year and cannot sign with a team without being drafted or failing to be drafted after two drafts.
   3. 1st Round Gauranteed NBA Rookie Contract
3. NBADL Rookie Contracts and Player Eligibility (All rookie contracts end with Restricted Free Agent status)
   1. Out of High School with High School Diploma
      1. Enter Draft
         1. If selected in 1st round, NBA teams must sign them to NBA Contract.
         2. If selected in 2nd round, may be signed to NBA or NBADL contract.
         3. If selected in 3rd round, must sign NBADL contract. (This becomes 4th round if 4th round is neccesary)
            1. NBA Contract
               1. Normal NBA Rookie Player Rules
            2. TNBADL Contract
               1. $50,000/yr
               2. 3 year deal with team option after each year
               3. 1 year mandatory NBADL period before being able to be called up to the NBA roster.
   2. College 1 year Experience
      1. Not eligible to enter draft.
   3. College 2 years Experience
      1. Not eligible to enter draft.
      2. May be invited to Sophmore Prospects camp (similar to a Combine type event) to get feedback from actual teams/scouts.
   4. College 3 years Experience (If player earns degree in 3 years, see #5 below)
      1. Can Declare for Draft without an Agent and return or enter draft. If agent hired, cannot return
      2. No restrictions on what contract can be signed outside of normal draft contract rules.
      3. If signed to NBA contract, normal NBA player.
      4. If signed to NBADL contract:
         1. $100,000/yr
         2. 3 year deal with team option after final year
         3. 1 Month mandatory transition period 
   5. College 4+ years Experience or College Degree (Exclueds 2 year college degrees)
      1. Eligible to enter draft
      2. No restrictions on what contract can be signed outside of normal draft contract rules. 
      3. If signed to NBA contract, normal NBA player.
      4. If signed to NBADL contract:
         1. $250,000/yr
         2. 3 year guaranteed deal with player option after final year.
         3. No mandatory waiting period to be called up to NBA
4. NBADL/NBA Movement Rules (Similar to Baseball's rules for this, assume baseball rule unless noted below)
   1. Call Ups
      1. Rookie Contracts - Eligibility and rules listed above. 
      2. NBADL Regular Contracts - No restriction.
      3. Contracts:
         1. NBA/NBADL Rookie Contracts - Contract does not change unless waived.
         2. NBADL Regular Contract
            1. May be offered NBA contract at any time.
            2. If remaining on main roster for start of next season, must be signed to NBA contract or sent back to NBADL
         3. NBA Regular Contract - No changes to NBA contract.
   2. Send Down
      1. A player may be sent down for any reason.
      2. Max of 3 times per consecutive time with organization, player then must be waived or rookie contract ends.
      3. Contracts;
         1. NBA/NBADL Rookie Contract - Contract does not change unless waived or not resigned.
         2. NBADL Regular Contract - Contract does not change unless signed to NBA Contract, waived or not resigned.
         3. NBA Regular Contract
            1. Player may remain on NBA contract if sent down under any of these conditions:
               1. If due to injury/rehab assignment.  
                  1. Cannot exceed 5 games or 14 days.
                  2. Player must miss 5 consecutive games to be eligible for rehab assignment
               2. If max NBA contracts is not exceeded.
               3. Duration cannot exceed into start of next season (unless due to injury)
               4. If conditions above are not met, player must be kept on main roster or waived.

 

Sorry so long but it just all started spewing out after starting to type.

Thanks for anyone who actually read through it all.

I actually really like the idea of the more years you have in college the more your minimum is

[RaceToTheTop]

One note -- there has been discussion by the NBA of having 30 D league teams -- one per team -- with each team having one team that is used similar to a AAA team 

[CrossboneIU22]

Actually agreeing with you on this point  but to further expand on this point:
The NBA has the D-League 
What needs to happen but won't, is something like this:

1. General Rules regarding D League formation.
   1. Give a D League Team to each NBA Team
   2. Rosters
      1. NBA team is allowed 15 spots, 12 or 13 active (whatever current rule is)
      2. NBADL team is allowed 15 spots, 15 active for games
      3. NBADL cannot exceed 5 NBA contract players (unless due to injury)
      4. Organization is allowed 3 injury designations that does not factor in to the 30 organization spots available.
   3. Put each of these teams in a thriving market with no NBA team and relatively close geographically.
   4. 62 Game Schedule (Play every team outside division 2 times and teams in division 3 times)
   5. Take the revenue from the NBADL team and supplement the team with the NBA revenue from the players side of profit since this is primarily for player development and players.
   6. Standard NBADL contract salary is $250,000 (excluding rookie contracts)
2. General Draft Rule Changes:
   1. Add 3rd round to NBA Draft  (Logistically, may need a 4th round as well?)
   2. Get rid of the stashing draft rights to overseas players.  They either come and play that season, or go back into draft pool for following year and cannot sign with a team without being drafted or failing to be drafted after two drafts.
   3. 1st Round Gauranteed NBA Rookie Contract
3. NBADL Rookie Contracts and Player Eligibility (All rookie contracts end with Restricted Free Agent status)
   1. Out of High School with High School Diploma
      1. Enter Draft
         1. If selected in 1st round, NBA teams must sign them to NBA Contract.
         2. If selected in 2nd round, may be signed to NBA or NBADL contract.
         3. If selected in 3rd round, must sign NBADL contract. (This becomes 4th round if 4th round is neccesary)
            1. NBA Contract
               1. Normal NBA Rookie Player Rules
            2. TNBADL Contract
               1. $50,000/yr
               2. 3 year deal with team option after each year
               3. 1 year mandatory NBADL period before being able to be called up to the NBA roster.
   2. College 1 year Experience
      1. Not eligible to enter draft.
   3. College 2 years Experience
      1. Not eligible to enter draft.
      2. May be invited to Sophmore Prospects camp (similar to a Combine type event) to get feedback from actual teams/scouts.
   4. College 3 years Experience (If player earns degree in 3 years, see #5 below)
      1. Can Declare for Draft without an Agent and return or enter draft. If agent hired, cannot return
      2. No restrictions on what contract can be signed outside of normal draft contract rules.
      3. If signed to NBA contract, normal NBA player.
      4. If signed to NBADL contract:
         1. $100,000/yr
         2. 3 year deal with team option after final year
         3. 1 Month mandatory transition period 
   5. College 4+ years Experience or College Degree (Exclueds 2 year college degrees)
      1. Eligible to enter draft
      2. No restrictions on what contract can be signed outside of normal draft contract rules. 
      3. If signed to NBA contract, normal NBA player.
      4. If signed to NBADL contract:
         1. $250,000/yr
         2. 3 year guaranteed deal with player option after final year.
         3. No mandatory waiting period to be called up to NBA
4. NBADL/NBA Movement Rules (Similar to Baseball's rules for this, assume baseball rule unless noted below)
   1. Call Ups
      1. Rookie Contracts - Eligibility and rules listed above. 
      2. NBADL Regular Contracts - No restriction.
      3. Contracts:
         1. NBA/NBADL Rookie Contracts - Contract does not change unless waived.
         2. NBADL Regular Contract
            1. May be offered NBA contract at any time.
            2. If remaining on main roster for start of next season, must be signed to NBA contract or sent back to NBADL
         3. NBA Regular Contract - No changes to NBA contract.
   2. Send Down
      1. A player may be sent down for any reason.
      2. Max of 3 times per consecutive time with organization, player then must be waived or rookie contract ends.
      3. Contracts;
         1. NBA/NBADL Rookie Contract - Contract does not change unless waived or not resigned.
         2. NBADL Regular Contract - Contract does not change unless signed to NBA Contract, waived or not resigned.
         3. NBA Regular Contract
            1. Player may remain on NBA contract if sent down under any of these conditions:
               1. If due to injury/rehab assignment.  
                  1. Cannot exceed 5 games or 14 days.
                  2. Player must miss 5 consecutive games to be eligible for rehab assignment
               2. If max NBA contracts is not exceeded.
               3. Duration cannot exceed into start of next season (unless due to injury)
               4. If conditions above are not met, player must be kept on main roster or waived.

 
Sorry so long but it just all started spewing out after starting to type.
Thanks for anyone who actually read through it all.

For any one reading on the app, you might want the web view. Much easier to read. (If you actually want to read it)


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[VO5]

Can we stop quoting that giant wall of text lol it's a monster to scroll through

[RaceToTheTop]

7 minutes ago, VO5 said:

Can we stop quoting that giant wall of text lol it's a monster to scroll through

Mr. Gorbachev...tear down this wall.

[Brass Cannon]

Updated the OP with a bunch of new tidbits

[recker222000]

Declaring for the draft doesn't mean what it used to mean when they don't hire an agent. IMO it would be dumb for them not to declare without an agent if they truly have aspirations of making it to the next level. It allows them to workout with NBA talent and get evaluations from NBA guys to let them know what they need to improve on to make it.

If you were given the opportunity to participate in a work related event that gave you first hand experience on what the job entails and what you need to work on to ensure you can successfully do that job would you do it?

If anything, I think it'll just make someone like ROJO and even JBJ work harder because they are told they aren't good enough yet to be draft highly or draft at all.

So if 400 players declare the nba is going to evaluate them all? They are only acout 60 draft picks.

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[recker222000]

I know every player has a right to test his draft status -- and I'm cool with that. But I can't help but chuckle when I see that four dudes from an 18-16 team that finished 10th in its conference and lost its only NIT game have declared for the NBA. Cracks me up! 

Yeah its normally a team who was in the final four having that many players declare.

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[Jeff_Boy_Ardee]

So if 400 players declare the nba is going to evaluate them all? They are only acout 60 draft picks.

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Where did I say 400 players should start declaring just to declare? My post was directed at people who think declaring automatically means you're gone and think you're going to the NBA. If you are able to workout for a team and go through the drills, then yes, why not do it. The new rule benefits players more than it ever has before and that's all I'm getting at. Never did I suggest or hint at every single player start declaring. I simply compared going through this process to going through a similar process for a job (after all these kids are trying to get a job). I don't know about you, but I was told and encouraged to apply for as many jobs as possible to go through the interview process so I could learn first hand what employers expected, what the interview process would be like, what kind of questions to be prepare for, even if I knew I had no chance of getting the job. Same situation for these kids.

[Hoosier Guy]

4 hours ago, Dalton26 said:

I like the MLB's rules better than the NFL. You can go pro straight out of HS in MLB, 4 year college you have to complete your JR or Sr year, and JUCO players can leave at anytime. I think that would be the perfect rule for the NBA.

The reason NFL doesn't allow players straight out of high school is because players aren't ready. Football is a completely different animal compared to baseball and basketball. But everything else, I would definitely give the thumbs up

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Pretty sure

 

OG ------Justin Smith

 

JBJ ------Durham

 

TB ------Clifton Moore

 

RoJo-----McKinley

 

 

As far as roster spots are concerned.

 

 

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[NCHoosier]

Pretty sure

OG ------Justin Smith

JBJ ------Durham

TB ------Clifton Moore

As far as roster spots are concerned.


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And it seems that all 3 of those guys will be gone.


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[HoosierRob]

I can't imagine rojo will stay in the draft. I could be wrong but I just can't see him getting drafted.

[Str8Hoosiers]

2 hours ago, recker222000 said:

So if 400 players declare the nba is going to evaluate them all? They are only acout 60 draft picks.

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no... Just because they declare doesn't mean they will ever get feedback. But they have to declare to be eligible to receive feedback. NBA teams can invite any declared player in for a meeting but don't have to, and only a select few are invited to the combine. But the NBA team can't even invite a player if they don't declare.

To compare this to corporate America. I currently have an open position in my office, I can invite any applicant for an interview but I'm definitely not inviting them all... I'm also not going to interview somebody that never even applied.

[Dalton26]

I think if Rojo stays in the draft it would be a huge mistake, but you never know what these kids are going to do.

[Hoosierfan2017]

[FortWayneHoosier]

OG could have been so much more special here, only seeing flashes his first season due to limited minutes, then getting injured this season man I would kill to see him play a full season


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