TOM CREAN FIRED

[Hoosier Guy]

Yeah I've also seen stuff about Archie going to Ohio State when Matta is gone. I just really hope it's Stevens or Donovan. The administration can't be scared off due to the stature of their names. They should know basketball will always rule IU. That's the first thing anyone thinks of when discussing IU athletics. It's time to make a hefty mama type splash and get our next great coach. It's been almost TWO decades since IU has been taken seriously. Time for this crap to end

[coonhounds]

What is with these media guys thinking crean wont get fired? This will get ugly if they bring him back imo

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[GloryDays]

What's crazy is he's 9th in Kenpom rankings above every big ten team. 

As a life long suporter of the Big its hard to admit but the league is as weak as Ive ever seen it.And we're not even competitive.Think about that.

[IUHAHN81]

Let me just be clear, I hate my gut.  But it is telling me after all we've seen from Glass that Crean is back next yr.  As far as a new coach, I can definitely see Glass hiring what everyone thinks is a "2nd tier" candidate.   I just have no faith he wants a banner like "we" do.  I'm gonna go eat rat poison now.

[bigrod]

What is with these media guys thinking crean wont get fired? This will get ugly if they bring him back imo

 

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It's truly insane. He has been here 9 years. We know what we have. He has gotten us out of the depths, I'll give him that, but as far as taking us to the next step, he has failed. This was the year to finally show everyone and he has failed miserably.

 

Say what you want about injuries (why do we have so many every freaking year?), but the wheels were falling off way before that was an issue. I've said for years that Crean can't handle success. Some of his worst years were when expectations are high.

 

The team takes on the personality of its coach. We are a rudderless mess unless we have a strong leader to lean on because Crean certainly isn't doing it.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, bigrod said:

It's truly insane. He had been here 9 years. We know what we have. He has gotten us out of the depths, I'll give him that, but as far as taking us to the next step, he had failed. This was the year to finally show everyone and he has failed miserably.

Say what you want about injuries (why do we have so many every freaking year?), but the wheels were falling off way before that was an issue. I've said for years that Crean can't handle success. Some of his worst years were when expectations are high.

The team takes on the personality of its coach. We are a rudderless mess unless we have a strong leader to lean on because Crean certainly isn't doing it.


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Absolutely correct - more than sufficient data is known on CTC's coaching ability.  If I recall correctly, one thing Glass mentioned in his "assessment" of Crean a couple of years ago was about recruiting.  No one can deny that recruiting is a significant factor in team success and ours has fallen off dramatically and is definitely trending downward.

Even IF the evidence wasn't clear (and it is), the situation is irreparable at this point.  Glass can do what must be done or prolong the inevitable.

[GloryDays]

Let me just be clear, I hate my gut.  But it is telling me after all we've seen from Glass that Crean is back next yr.  As far as a new coach, I can definitely see Glass hiring what everyone thinks is a "2nd tier" candidate.   I just have no faith he wants a banner like "we" do.  I'm gonna go eat rat poison now.

Thanks,I just lost my breakfast![emoji1]

[JSHoosier]

27 minutes ago, IUHAHN82 said:

Let me just be clear, I hate my gut.  But it is telling me after all we've seen from Glass that Crean is back next yr.  As far as a new coach, I can definitely see Glass hiring what everyone thinks is a "2nd tier" candidate.   I just have no faith he wants a banner like "we" do.  I'm gonna go eat rat poison now.

If Crean is back then we need a new AD along with a new coach.  There is no defending bringing him back.

Glass's job is to do what's best for the program, that means not bringing Crean back.

[HooHooHoo22]

If Crean is back then we need a new AD along with a new coach.  There is no defending bringing him back.

Glass's job is to do what's best for the program, that means not bringing Crean back.

I agree, if glass brings Crean back this year, I'll be on the fire Fred Glass train


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[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, smpenny2009 said:

From 96.9 Mike Bianchi on 96.9am this morning. FWIW "I know people who know Billy Donovan and he is not happy right now in OKC." Billy Donovan thought the OKC Job with Durant was a once in a lifetime opportunity but now it is just another job. Bianchi thinks that Donovan will end up back in the NCAA in "a year or two". However, Bianchi, who originally thought it would be at IU, does not think that Tom Crean will get fired after this year; thus Donovan will not end up here. He finished up by reiterating that he thinks there is a "real opportunity" that Donovan ends up in the NCAA next year. 

Sounded like the chances of Donovan being at IU next year being "very good" was really more of a belief that Donovan will end up in the NCAA somewhere in a year or two but not necessarily at IU. Just passing along what he said. 

We are one of a handful of schools that could afford him. With Duke opening up soon and U.K. Opening as soon as an NBA owner is dumb enough to give cal managerial control we need to jump on any chance to land Billy D

[Trish]

There's a side of me that think Glass has already told Crean he's gone and then there's another side of me thinking Crean will be back. There's no question Crean is on the hot seat, right now it's about finding a BETTER coach that is willing to come to Indiana. 

[devkitt]

Haven't seen anyone post this but pretty much sums up my feelings.

Crean's recruiting prowess peaked in 2013. It's been pretty lackluster ever since. Lost his ability to bring in the right guys.

http://kentsterling.com/2017/02/18/indiana-basketball-is-tom-crean-a-great-recruiter-a-look-at-every-class-tells-the-tale-iubb/

[Hoosierfan2017]

9 minutes ago, devkitt said:

Haven't seen anyone post this but pretty much sums up my feelings.

Crean's recruiting prowess peaked in 2013. It's been pretty lackluster ever since. Lost his ability to bring in the right guys.

http://kentsterling.com/2017/02/18/indiana-basketball-is-tom-crean-a-great-recruiter-a-look-at-every-class-tells-the-tale-iubb/

The 'great recruiter' schtick really annoys me. Great recruiting isn't just getting highly ranked kids (which hasn't really happened recently). It's also being able to maintain a program and bring in guys to fill your needs. Crean throws out offers to any kid that shows 'potential' without thinking about how they fit with his team. I never feel good when we're in a kid's top 3, top 5, whatever, because I don't trust Crean being able to go head to head with top coaches and seal the deal.  

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23 minutes ago, devkitt said:

Haven't seen anyone post this but pretty much sums up my feelings.

Crean's recruiting prowess peaked in 2013. It's been pretty lackluster ever since. Lost his ability to bring in the right guys.

http://kentsterling.com/2017/02/18/indiana-basketball-is-tom-crean-a-great-recruiter-a-look-at-every-class-tells-the-tale-iubb/

Thanks for the link.  It's good to see someone has documented the recruiting history of CTC with data and in an unbiased way.

[schoosier]

4 hours ago, jaxalum said:

Archies dream job is OSU, he's worked there, and Matta is not doing to well on the court and physically(back).  We have been hearing for years that Archie has been holding out for OSU, and its essentially a done deal when Matta decides to resign.  Now, can he say no to a job offer from a team in the same conference, but that's a blue blood with infinite amounts of history, a true destination job.  

 

While it may be a destination job, I wouldn't call it a blueblood with infinite amounts of history. You may be getting them confused with us on those points.

[HoosierAloha]

The 'great recruiter' schtick really annoys me. Great recruiting isn't just getting highly ranked kids (which hasn't really happened recently). It's also being able to maintain a program and bring in guys to fill your needs. Crean throws out offers to any kid that shows 'potential' without thinking about how they fit with his team. I never feel good when we're in a kid's top 3, top 5, whatever, because I don't trust Crean being able to go head to head with top coaches and seal the deal.  

This.

His teams often lack something; this year a pg, in the past a true post players, and with his best team at IU he lacked height in the backcourt.

He's an above average recruiter that struggles to build a team. He's had more opportunities to have higher ranked classes because of the transfer rate from IU. He hasn't recruited nor developed his bench to overcome injuries. He's recruited some players with questionable character.

He's been given way more credit as a recruiter than he deserves.

[Hoosierfan2017]

8 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

This.

His teams often lack something; this year a pg, in the past a true post players, and with his best team at IU he lacked height in the backcourt.

He's an above average recruiter that struggles to build a team. He's had more opportunities to have higher ranked classes because of the transfer rate from IU. He hasn't recruited nor developed his bench to overcome injuries. He's recruited some players with questionable character.

He's been given way more credit as a recruiter than he deserves.

It seems like he landed Zeller and Yogi and the 'great recuriter' label has stuck ever since, even though the facts don't support it. He's able to get some talent here, I'll give him that, but it almost never fits well together. His best two classes in 2012 and 2013 were disasters both on and off the court outside of 2-3 guys. To be an elite team in college basketball today you usually need a combination of 1-and-done talent and upperclassmen leadership.. We have neither. 

[JSHoosier]

7 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

This.

His teams often lack something; this year a pg, in the past a true post players, and with his best team at IU he lacked height in the backcourt.

He's an above average recruiter that struggles to build a team. He's had more opportunities to have higher ranked classes because of the transfer rate from IU. He hasn't recruited nor developed his bench to overcome injuries. He's recruited some players with questionable character.

He's been given way more credit as a recruiter than he deserves.

I've thought for a while he's been overrated as a recruiter.  There is more to recruiting than getting good (or potentially good) players to sign, and he's been pretty underwhelming at the other parts.

[Adillac]

I love it when people use data. It all depends on your expectations. If you're an Iowa fan, then Crean is recruiting very well. If you're an IU fan, not so much. 

[Hovadipo]

24 minutes ago, schoosier said:

While it may be a destination job, I wouldn't call it a blueblood with infinite amounts of history. You may be getting them confused with us on those points.

 

I think he was referencing us, not OSU, for what it's worth. Saying would he be able to say no to the traditional  blue blood (us) over OSU.