TOM CREAN FIRED

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1 minute ago, RockRattler said:

(((Rosenberg)))

Dear National Writers,

My currently unmet expectations for the coach at IU are (1) a focus on fundamental skills like passing, (2) a structured approach to teaching and deploying team defense, (3) a level of preparedness to adjust when 'run-n-gun' or 'dribble-drive' or 'perimeter passing' fails offensively,  (4) substitution patterns that increase the odds of success and (5) a recruiting strategy that includes more middle ground between 'a gazillion offers to top talent in hopes some will bite' and 'one in five gambles might be a diamond in the rough'.

For the record, IU fans are less concerned about the win counts under Tom Crean than about the lost-opportunity-to-win counts.  Our moans and groans happen throughout each and every game, ot just when the buzzer sounds after a losing effort (these days most of us have tuned out or walked out by then). 

Perhaps the next time you decide to lecture us, you could do us a favor first and actually watch some of our games with an eye towards spacing, movement off the ball, help defense, etc.. 

Sincerely,

An IU Fan

[cljones1979 740]

kinda quiet on the rumor/insider stuff today. any news from janitor or 0708 recently?

 

[recker222000 1,010]

Lmao. Greg doyel is getting destroyed on twitter by IU fans about him saying crean shouldn't be fired.

I wrote him on his iu delusions a few months ago. He blocked me. He can't handle the heat.

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21 minutes ago, Maynard said:

I would take Marshall in a half second.  Under no circumstances can Crean stay another year.  I would take a year of an interim coach before abother year of Crean.  Hell go after Tony Bennett head assistant  (Sanchez?)  he was once an assistant at IU and has to have learned something in the last 8 years! 

Sanchez would be an excellent hire, but I can't imagine him being considered at IU for his first head coaching job.  He is an excellent recruiter and has been with Bennett for Bennett's entire career after getting his master's at IU and serving as a volunteer assistant for 2 years.

http://insider.espn.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/on-the-trail/insider/post?id=15109

17. Ron Sanchez, Virginia Cavaliers

Perhaps the most unassuming figure on this list, Sanchez has never been one to take credit for specific recruits. What’s undeniable though is that he’s been by Tony Bennett’s side from his first day as a head coach at Washington State and followed him to Virginia. Along the way he’s developed a keen eye for talent and, specifically, what it takes to thrive in Bennett’s system. From Klay Thompson in 2008 to Kyle Guy in the 2016 class and numerous others in between, Sanchez has proven he can spot talent and land commitments from almost anywhere in the country.

[reconmkd 4,328]

"Well. 0708 told me, just a little while ago, and wanted me to pass along....."tho talks did not go well on Tuesday, there is still interest on the part of the Donovan camp"..

 Just Posted by milehiiu over on 247.

 

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"Indiana athletic director Fred Glass should take the long view, not just react to a single season."

That's the very reason IU fans, and maybe even Glass, are done with Crean! Why is that so hard to understand? These national writers need to realize that this year's failure is just one piece of the entire spectrum.

Tom Crean is about to miss the tournament for the 2nd time in four years. Tom Crean is an awful in-game adjuster. Tom Crean's teams, except for a couple seasons, have been terrible on defense. Tom Crean's teams turn the ball over at a disgusting rate. Tom Crean has never made it PAST the sweet 16 as IU's head coach. Tom Crean OVERRECRUITS. Tom Crean schedules cupcakes. Tom Crean has lost the trust of Indiana high school coaches. The list goes on.

National writers, you are so out of touch it's not even funny.

Preach it brother! Preach it now! Can I get an amen?!?!


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18 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

We do not need a "top guy."  We do not need a name.   We do not need a guy who's got a pedigree.  We need a basketball coach who fits.  Who recruits kids with high basketball IQ instead of just kids with ball skills.  We need kids who will buy into defense (let's face it, Butler went to two straight title games under Brad Stevens because they were top 3 defensive teams both years.  The first season, no team scored more than 61 points against them ALL SEASON until Duke scored 62 in the final) and the communication that goes with it.  See: Ronald Nored, Kelsey Barlow.  Neither close to the athlete Blackmon or Newkirk are; but both understood positioning, hands in passing lanes, and simple effort.

We need kids who will make good decisions with the ball and value each possession.  We need kids who buy into what the coach says and not (like Blackmon) refuse to go into the huddle during a timeout.  We need a mix of kids who are good with the ball and kids who know how to play without it.  We need big men who have good post footwork and don't need to shoot 3's. 

A coach who can get those things done, along with x's and o's and all the PR stuff will win at Indiana.  It does not have to be Billy Donovan.   I don't follow anything closely enough to tell you who that guy is, but Sampson and Crean were both "names" who had been to a recent final four and had "pedigree."  Indiana needs to get this hire right; not worry about whose name is on the list.

I couldn't agree more with this.  Its not said a lot, and maybe I am alone in this, but it is NOT Crean's record that bothers me.  It is the way that IU has gotten to that record.  Carelessness, lack of attention to detail, players not living up to their potential or responsibility as teammates.  Take for example, the Syracuse game.  If IU played well and Syracuse played lights out to beat them, that game would never be a reference point.  Sure people might general comment about not getting past the Sweet 16, but they wouldn't bring up that game.  I was just as upset about the game before that when IU played carelessly against Temple and almost lost, or their play in the B1G Tourney that year.  I expect more, but I would be considerably less upset if Crean was maximizing lesser talent and arriving at the same record.  I just want a coach who pays attention to details.  Puts a high priority on fundamentals, and doesn't give games away.

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3 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

"Well. 0708 told me, just a little while ago, and wanted me to pass along....."tho talks did not go well on Tuesday, there is still interest on the part of the Donovan camp"..

 Just Posted by milehiiu over on 247.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Cheaney40 said:

 

 

[Hurryin' Hoosiers 1,951]

So is Glass doing the whole "He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not" flower routine? lol

[mdiu28 1,752]

6 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

"Well. 0708 told me, just a little while ago, and wanted me to pass along....."tho talks did not go well on Tuesday, there is still interest on the part of the Donovan camp"..

 Just Posted by milehiiu over on 247.

 

Never, and still don't, believe the whole "timing" issue. If Billy D wants back into the college game, now is a great time to grab the IU job - where basketball is king. Fred will wait as long as he possibly can (without losing out on other top candidates) for Billy. 

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"Well. 0708 told me, just a little while ago, and wanted me to pass along....."tho talks did not go well on Tuesday, there is still interest on the part of the Donovan camp"..

 Just Posted by milehiiu over on 247.

 

I told y'all we were just playing hard to get. He will be back. If timing is the only issue we can resolve it but that might take some negotiating first.

[cljones1979 740]

12 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

"Well. 0708 told me, just a little while ago, and wanted me to pass along....."tho talks did not go well on Tuesday, there is still interest on the part of the Donovan camp"..

 Just Posted by milehiiu over on 247.

 

thanks.....good to hear

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The people here (in Dayton) really don't care about college basketball. Some people didn't even know Archie won coach of the year in the A10. Dayton doesn't deserve him and neither does other that school in Columbus.

 

Come to where basketball is KING, Archie. I can already see the tshirts with you name on them!

 

 

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That's not entirely true. UD has a small but extremely loyal following. They travel very well and their arena is always sold out. So it really depends on who you are talking to. I will say that UD doesn't dominate the conversation around here but they know what they've got. It's just that there following is relatively small in the grand scheme of things. The only thing that dominates the conversation is bucknuts football.


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[mark1981 1,340]

"Well. 0708 told me, just a little while ago, and wanted me to pass along....."tho talks did not go well on Tuesday, there is still interest on the part of the Donovan camp"..

 Just Posted by milehiiu over on 247.

 

Do you know what he meant by "talks didn't go well Tuesday"? Was that with a different candidate perhaps?

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,182]

I don't get it either. It's not like he's Alford and tried to cover up a freaking rape

The guy has won everywhere he's been. He's been a regular in the tournament at schools like freaking Winthrop and Wichita State. Give him IU's roster this year and I'd bet we'd be approaching 25 wins right now.

He's been to a freaking Final 4 at Wichita State. He's a great coach.

Preach it

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[Trish 11,505]

I'm not quite sure I'm buying the whole we had talks with BD thing. 

[recker222000 1,010]

Has the janitor said anything yet today?

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[reconmkd 4,328]

Just now, mark1981 said:

 

 

Do you know what he meant by "talks didn't go well Tuesday"? Was that with a different candidate perhaps?

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In his following post, he said, "I have never read "The Art of the Deal." However I have participated in some high powered negotiations. And know that there is a lot of back and forth, before a final decision is made."

So it looks as if he and possibly 0708 believe that its just a typical negotiation, IMO.

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4 minutes ago, mark1981 said:

 

Do you know what he meant by "talks didn't go well Tuesday"? Was that with a different candidate perhaps?

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I believe Tuesday was supposedly the day that IU and Donovan's agent had a meeting together, so they are saying that even though that meeting didn't completely go as planned (if it indeed happened), the Donovan camp is still interested. Not COMPLETELY certain on that, but from what I have read in the past about that, it's what I took away from it.