TOM CREAN FIRED

[Adillac 973]

That quotation irks the crap out of me. All you had to do was win basketball games. It wasn't veiled or complicated and trust me, nobody wanted you to win games more than your employers. And yet in 4 of the last 7 seasons, you flirted with a .500 record and bottom half of the B1G. As you said, Tom "It's Indiana". IU gave you at least 6 years before the real heat started. You wanted more? 

[Adillac 973]

One more thing while im hot....what is this crap about "2 B1G titles in 5 years"...? Why are people framing the 2B1G titles in a 5 year period? If we discount the first 2 seasons...then that makes it 2 BiG titles in 7 years. Accuracy is a m*********er.

[bigrod 2,979]

"For the last few years, they saw a coach who was running uphill, at a university that seemed to look for reasons to be disappointed by him." IU was as patient with Crean as you'll see at a P5 school, imo. Glass gave Crean everything he needed to be successful. He just couldn't do it. To try and put blame on IU is ridiculous. Coaches get fired all the time. I think both IU and the fan base hoped that Crean would be the guy for the job. Once it became obvious that he wasn't things went south a bit, but that's going to happen at any coaching job.  

They didn't have to look far. Come on.


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[iceman 63]

Why is he so stupid?

He also said Crean was staying !

[pumpfake 4,221]

4 minutes ago, Adillac said:

One more thing while im hot....what is this crap about "2 B1G titles in 5 years"...? Why are people framing the 2B1G titles in a 5 year period? If we discount the first 2 seasons...then that makes it 2 BiG titles in 7 years. Accuracy is a m*********er.

I'll take it one step further.  While I appreciate that Tom Crean worked his tail off for the program, even in the first 3 years I truly believe a great coach who instilled toughness and fundamental play would have been far more successful in that period.  Would they have won the b10, made the NCAA? probably not, but lack of fundamental basketball is a direct cause in why FCTC was let go.

[Uspshoosier 51,104]

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/03/17/indiana-tom-crean-fired-jim-john-harbaugh

Interesting. Shots fired from Creans camp

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Written by Jim Harbaugh's biographer, so consider the source.



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[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I liked a post I saw on IUBB twitter so this is not original but I think it sums up what's expected at an elite bball program like IU----Tom Crean came to coach at IU because "It's Indiana" and he was fired because ""It's Indiana". You can be the best person or a great coach but in the end you have to perform at a high level and you are judged by your results. Without apology IU is an elite job with high standards. You meet them and you stay. You don't and you go.


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[Alford Bailey 12,838]

1 hour ago, Hoosier in NC said:

There's a thread on Rupp Rafters for rumors that JBJ is interested in transferring to UK.  If he doesn't go pro I could see that being a possibility.  Hope not, but not too far-fetched.

No way. Not their caliber of talent with all the injuries.

[goiubb2000 80]

Is this plausible:

Fred knew he was firing Crean 2-3 weeks ago.

-No vote of confidence for Crean.

-No extension for Tom after Big Ten Champ, and by press conference was evident it was not even really considered.

-They withdraw from the tournament in New York.

-BT from 247 says Crean is done and Billy is next hire.

-Other insiders say he is done and we hear about soft landings.

-Glass moves the NIT game to save optics on booing so as to not hurt negotiations with Billy.

-Glass gets word from boosters the money is there for Billy.

-Glass fires Crean 

 

if if this was even close to how it went down, then I take back what I said about Glass and give him a ton of credit.

[Bowhunter 2,997]

I'm kind of tooting my own horn here but I've been very adament about crean not recruiting the state of Indiana like he should. Got lots of hell for it. Glad others are seeing what I saw.

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[jgries84 82]

The national media bias is a joke. Not that it hasn't been said here, but IU is an elite program. Fred glass just set the table for expectations. Our administration believes this. Boosters believe this. The fans know this and support this program wholeheartedly. Just need a HC to lead us.

 

 

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[Alford Bailey 12,838]

1 hour ago, theriverpilot said:

I obviously don't know Crean personally and I'm sure he's a ok guy.  He did good at IU.  What happened to Riley was wrong.  The boos Crean got was wrong.  But let's face it.  He was being paid 3+ million a year and getting very mediocre results with the exception of 2 or 3 years.  That's a lot of money to be below average in high pressure coaching and with a place with high expectations.  Don't blame the IU administration or fans. If you're Crean, you have to eventually look in the mirror.

2-15 against Wisconsin. Nuff said.

[KingPG21 6,587]

6 minutes ago, jgries84 said:

The national media bias is a joke. Not that it hasn't been said here, but IU is an elite program. Fred glass just set the table for expectations. Our administration believes this. Boosters believe this. The fans know this and support this program wholeheartedly. Just need a HC to lead us.

 

 

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I posted it a few days ago, and its been posted by others. The biggest issue is how many former coaches are in the national media, and being a coach/former coach means you're a member of a fraternity. Those guys defend each other as such.  They aren't fans, but they definitely have a pretty big bias in their view

[mdiu28 2,485]

Is anyone really surprised by their comments? The media is simply asking all Creans friends and family about how they feel about his firing. Of course they're all gona say it sucks, IU made a mistake, he's a great coach, blah blah blah. Not ONE of them talk about his overall record at Indiana, tournament appearances and win % - they only want to highlight his Big Ten Championships. 

Dear Harbaughs - NO ONE is questioning the integrity and work ethic of Tom Crean. Everyone knows how much of a family man he is, what a great guy he is and the passion he had for IU basketball. He lost his job because he didn't get the overall job done which is consistently winning, getting to the tourney and competing for National Championships every.single.year - not just every few years. 

[Brass Cannon 25,176]

17 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

2-15 against Wisconsin. Nuff said.

2-16

[Brass Cannon 25,176]

23 minutes ago, goiubb2000 said:

Is this plausible:

Fred knew he was firing Crean 2-3 weeks ago.

-No vote of confidence for Crean.

-No extension for Tom after Big Ten Champ, and by press conference was evident it was not even really considered.

-They withdraw from the tournament in New York.

-BT from 247 says Crean is done and Billy is next hire.

-Other insiders say he is done and we hear about soft landings.

-Glass moves the NIT game to save optics on booing so as to not hurt negotiations with Billy.

-Glass gets word from boosters the money is there for Billy.

-Glass fires Crean 

 

if if this was even close to how it went down, then I take back what I said about Glass and give him a ton of credit.

I think at some point Billy was asking for more money than Glass was confident and possibly backed away from firing Crean.  Hence what the insiders were hearing.  When the Trustees and Boosters go involved he had no choice. And the wednesday night meeting with the Boosters was to get the money for Donovan.  

[Brass Cannon 25,176]

14 minutes ago, mdiu28 said:

Is anyone really surprised by their comments? The media is simply asking all Creans friends and family about how they feel about his firing. Of course they're all gona say it sucks, IU made a mistake, he's a great coach, blah blah blah. Not ONE of them talk about his overall record at Indiana, tournament appearances and win % - they only want to highlight his Big Ten Championships. 

Dear Harbaughs - NO ONE is questioning the integrity and work ethic of Tom Crean. Everyone knows how much of a family man he is, what a great guy he is and the passion he had for IU basketball. He lost his job because he didn't get the overall job done which is consistently winning, getting to the tourney and competing for National Championships every.single.year - not just every few years. 

Kent Sterling seems to be the one guy that gets it

[KingPG21 6,587]

16 minutes ago, mdiu28 said:

Is anyone really surprised by their comments? The media is simply asking all Creans friends and family about how they feel about his firing. Of course they're all gona say it sucks, IU made a mistake, he's a great coach, blah blah blah. Not ONE of them talk about his overall record at Indiana, tournament appearances and win % - they only want to highlight his Big Ten Championships. 

Dear Harbaughs - NO ONE is questioning the integrity and work ethic of Tom Crean. Everyone knows how much of a family man he is, what a great guy he is and the passion he had for IU basketball. He lost his job because he didn't get the overall job done which is consistently winning, getting to the tourney and competing for National Championships every.single.year - not just every few years. 

Wasn't there a tweet yesterday that he was the only guy to have won 2 B1G titles in the last 9 years, then leave out the fact that he also missed way more tournaments than anyone else on that list too. 

[RedsIUfan 161]

Just win baby! Lol seriously, RMK could be a real Jackhole at times but...he won, and won BIG throughout most of his career at Indiana. Winning covers a lot of faults. 

 

 

[LIHoosier 27,293]

7 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Kent Sterling seems to be the one guy that gets it

For the most part I agree with him, except he's too infatuated with an 'Indiana guy'. Don't know if that's his own opinion or his opinion based on Glass' comments. A couple times he's referenced Randy Wittman and Mike Woodson as potential candidates. The first time he was interviewing Ted Kitchel so I thought he was just being kind, but he's mentioned them a couple times again today. 

They may have a wealth of basketball knowledge and coaching experience but all in the NBA. The last time either of them have dealt with recruiting was when they were recruited about 40 years ago.