I'm worried about in-state recruiting.

[HoosierReb01]

Ahhhh.... Thai Sweet Chile smoked wings and 4 fresh ears of Indiana sweet corn. Almost forgot about this thread in my bliss. 

[Old Friend]

Has anyone considered that Crean HAS prioritized Indiana, but maybe the coaches of players he wants are steering their kids other places? I know for a fact there are coaches in the area where I live who don't like the way he does things. As much as we like to project Crean as some sort of mad scientist who's always trying to outthink the room, I don't think he would just turn his back on the biggest hotbed of talent in the country to try and prove himself. 

 

 

I think he goes to California and Texas to recruit the likes of Priller and April not because he thinks the players out there are better, but because the local pipelines have told him not to waste his time around here. And before someone says "well why do coaches in Texas feel comfortable sending players to him," coaches in Texas probably aren't IU fans who follow the program and watch his teams play all the time. 

For what it's worth, there are a few local kids currently succeeding in D1 I know for sure he never called and never really recruited.    I based my thoughts on that knowledge and also others I've heard about but don't know first hand.  That doesn't account at all for the kids in Ohio, Illinois, or Michigan.  He hired an assistant coach specifically because of his east coast ties, which tells me that's a priority whether the local area is or not.   

 

There are some kids who aren't going to choose Indiana because of the brand of shoes we wear or which AAU coaches we're tied to..  As dumb as that is, I don't blame him for those one bit, and AAU coaches can pound sand as far as I'm concerned.  I do blame him for prioritizing 3-star kids from other places when there are plenty right around here.    If his east coast ties bring us Thomas Bryant all the time...wah hoo.  All for it.  It's the Stanford Robinsons and Peter Jurkin's I don't understand.   Same as I didn't understand Marshall Strickland when Davis was here, as he was a priority when Mike Conley was not.   To me, the mid-range kids are the ones who need to understand everything about where they're going before they get here if they're going to succeed.  If you can't out-talent anybody, you're going to have to out work them and out smart them.  And there are a ton of kids from the area who can do that and who understand Indiana's place in the world far more than kids from Maryland.

[MikeRoberts]

Has anyone considered that Crean HAS prioritized Indiana, but maybe the coaches of players he wants are steering their kids other places? I know for a fact there are coaches in the area where I live who don't like the way he does things. As much as we like to project Crean as some sort of mad scientist who's always trying to outthink the room, I don't think he would just turn his back on the biggest hotbed of talent in the country to try and prove himself.


I think he goes to California and Texas to recruit the likes of Priller and April not because he thinks the players out there are better, but because the local pipelines have told him not to waste his time around here. And before someone says "well why do coaches in Texas feel comfortable sending players to him," coaches in Texas probably aren't IU fans who follow the program and watch his teams play all the time.

you might be right, but if you are Crean needs to go yesterday.

[Bccanada19631]

For what it's worth, there are a few local kids currently succeeding in D1 I know for sure he never called and never really recruited.    I based my thoughts on that knowledge and also others I've heard about but don't know first hand.  That doesn't account at all for the kids in Ohio, Illinois, or Michigan.  He hired an assistant coach specifically because of his east coast ties, which tells me that's a priority whether the local area is or not.   

 

There are some kids who aren't going to choose Indiana because of the brand of shoes we wear or which AAU coaches we're tied to..  As dumb as that is, I don't blame him for those one bit, and AAU coaches can pound sand as far as I'm concerned.  I do blame him for prioritizing 3-star kids from other places when there are plenty right around here.    If his east coast ties bring us Thomas Bryant all the time...wah hoo.  All for it.  It's the Stanford Robinsons and Peter Jurkin's I don't understand.   Same as I didn't understand Marshall Strickland when Davis was here, as he was a priority when Mike Conley was not.   To me, the mid-range kids are the ones who need to understand everything about where they're going before they get here if they're going to succeed.  If you can't out-talent anybody, you're going to have to out work them and out smart them.  And there are a ton of kids from the area who can do that and who understand Indiana's place in the world far more than kids from Maryland.

Marshall Strickland was an major contributor for IU.  He played the right way.  So did VO.  So did Earl Calloway.  It's a stupid argument no matter how many times you repeat it.

[Alford Bailey]

Ahhhh.... Thai Sweet Chile smoked wings and 4 fresh ears of Indiana sweet corn. Almost forgot about this thread in my bliss. 

Indiana sweet corn is DEFINITELY better than the rest!

[BGleas]

I don't mean to direct this specifically at you, but I hate when people say this.

Defense is just as much knowledge and defensive principles, if not more, as it is hustle. JBJ and most our team had horrible defensive principles and understanding last year. They were constantly out of position, constantly not on the same page and constantly playing with their hands down and not keeping their eyes on ball and man. Constantly turning their backs to either their man or the ball. Their defensive fundamentals were horrible.

If this is true than why was Blackmon arguably the teams worst defender last year? Why was an east coast kid in Johnson better? I'd bet money that Bryant will be one of our best defenders this year. Defense is more about hustle and effort than having knowledge about defensive principles.

[Old Friend]

Marshall Strickland was an major contributor for IU.  He played the right way.  So did VO.  So did Earl Calloway.  It's a stupid argument no matter how many times you repeat it.

Marshall Strickland's record was 69-54 with a 38-32 conference record and he missed the post season twice.   We all love the kids who played here...and that's what you're really telling me.    We did not need to go to Sykesvile, Maryland to find a kid who averaged 9 points per game for his career, shot about 40% from the floor (and that may be generous...he was only > 40% once)  and played point guard for 4 years, averaging less than 3 assists per game (2.6), and had a flat A/TO ratio.   He is the classic example of what I mentioned the other day.  A kid with ball skills (note his numbers in high school), and good at the sport; but he was not a very good point guard from the standpoint of running the offense or getting the ball where it should be - and only so-so at the "game."  He was also relatively slow and a poor defender, which is why Indiana needed Calloway in the first place.   (Funny that you mentioned those two together trying to make a point....)

 

  Here's a sample list of kids from the states touching Indiana who were recruited as point guards that same year :   Dee Brown (IL, Illinois), Anthony Roberson (MI, Florida), Sean Dockery (IL, Duke), Maurice Ager (MI, Michigan State), Chris Quinn (OH, Notre Dame), Dedrick Finn (IN, Xavier - and yes, I know he ended up in prison because of drug problems, which makes THIS look like a stupid argument, but he also set a freshman record at Xavier with 139 assists, roughly 5 per game; 2 more than Strickland ever finished with)    And we needed to go to Maryland?    I get it...he was a highly rated recruit, and we don't need revisionist history to make him a better college player than he was; but you can't tell me he was the only kid we could have recruited that gave us what he did when you look at that list alone...in one recruiting season.  

 

No offense, but posts like yours always strike me as "the kids on our team are better than anyone else we could have signed, they're all the right kids at the right time, and we didn't want the others anyway."   As though the Indiana jersey makes a kid better than he really is.   You and anyone else are absolutely free to think we can avoid focusing on this area in favor of the east coast, south, or wherever else.  And you can call my disagreeing stupid.   Whatever.  I disagree with you.

[Bowhunter]

Not really a far comparison. Eron isn't anywhere close to Rawle. May have to go to 2017 to get a fair comparison to Rawle in state.

I know Rawle is the better prospect but I choose Gordon because we will probably lose Rawle to someone else anyway so I say go hard for Gordon and take Rawls if he still wants to come. We show Gordon no love and he ends up somewhere else. Another Indiana kid that gets away.

[Hovadipo]

I know Rawle is the better prospect but I choose Gordon because we will probably lose Rawle to someone else anyway so I say go hard for Gordon and take Rawls if he still wants to come. We show Gordon no love and he ends up somewhere else. Another Indiana kid that gets away.

We won't get Rawle with that attitude...

[recker222000]

I think rawle is an iu lean so no worries.

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[MikeRoberts]

Indiana sweet corn is DEFINITELY better than the rest!

nope, not possible because someone had good sweet corn from somewhere else at some point

[Walking Boot of Doom]

I think rawle is an iu lean so no worries.

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We've got the recking crew on it! Rawle is ours!

[Josh]

Marshall Strickland's record was 69-54 with a 38-32 conference record and he missed the post season twice.   

 

Mike Davis was the coach.  Don't pin a team's record on one kid.  That's ridiculous 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Mike Davis was the coach. Don't pin a team's record on one kid. That's ridiculous

unfortunately, if Crean doesn't turn things around SOON, we will be saying the same thing: except Tom Crean was the coach.............

[recker222000]

unfortunately, if Crean doesn't turn things around SOON, we will be saying the same thing: except Tom Crean was the coach.............

Turn things around? Adding Bryant made us an instant top 10 team. The final four is totally possible. If we add Mr maker in 2016 the future is very bright.

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[MikeRoberts]

Turn things around? Adding Bryant made us an instant top 10 team. The final four is totally possible. If we add Mr maker in 2016 the future is very bright.

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its one season and it hasn't even been played yet. The past two seasons have been bad and after this season is likely going to return to bad again as we are likely to lose almost everyone.

[recker222000]

True but we could add rawle and thon.

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Turn things around? Adding Bryant made us an instant top 10 team. The final four is totally possible. If we add Mr maker in 2016 the future is very bright.

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Yes, adding Bryant was a great piece to the puzzle, but he will be a FRESHMAN and it's a total unknown as to how he'll stand up to the rigors of B1G competition especially as the season begins to wind down in February.  Let's not put undue pressure on his shoulders and expect him to be the savior who carries us to the promised land of a Final 4.  If the rest of the team doesn't show improvement most notably on DEFENSE then a Final 4 is just another heartbreak.

[recker222000]

Yes, adding Bryant was a great piece to the puzzle, but he will be a FRESHMAN and it's a total unknown as to how he'll stand up to the rigors of B1G competition especially as the season begins to wind down in February. Let's not put undue pressure on his shoulders and expect him to be the savior who carries us to the promised land of a Final 4. If the rest of the team doesn't show improvement most notably on DEFENSE then a Final 4 is just another heartbreak.

Well there were a ton of posters on various boards who basically stated Bryant was a saviour. He was going to transform this team to another level. Fair or not expectations for Mr Bryant are very high.

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[HoosierHoops1]

I don't have extremely high expectations of him, but I think he pushes this team towards the top. I think about 10-12 and 6-7 and reasonable defense would go a long way towards making this team very, very good.

 

BTW, Those dudes on other boards can suck it! :angry: