I'm worried about in-state recruiting.

[Naturalhoosier]

Its not even close and you know it. You know my kids can hold a more mature conversation than you. Why must you continually be a pain in the ass for the sake of being a pain in the ass? We have asked nicely. We let you turn an IU board into a NBA board. Everyone knows you are young by the way you post. So why must you be this way toward everyone in general? PMs haven't worked. Warnings haven't worked. What are you hoping to accomplish here?

And the crowd goes wild!!!!!!! :)

[FindEndNow]

Its not even close and you know it. You know my kids can hold fa more mature conversation than you. Why must you continually be a pain in the ass for the sakie of being a pain in the ass? We have asked nicely. We let you turn an IU board into a NBA board. Everyone knows you are young by the way you post. So why must you be this way toward everyone in general? PMs haven't worked. Warningtfdfs xz worked m . Rr are you hoping to accomplish here?

Well I'm not just going to agree with what everyone says here. And I'm going to type my opinion. Why wouldn't I? I thought this place would be better than ITH but it's just the same almost but with more variety(as to topics).

[HoosierReb01]

Well I'm not just going to agree with what everyone says here. And I'm going to type my opinion. Why wouldn't I? I thought this place would be better than ITH but it's just the same almost but with more variety(as to topics).

Well since you're not happy here giving all of us a week off from you shouldn't be a problem for anyone.

[Naturalhoosier]

Well I'm not just going to agree with what everyone says here. And I'm going to type my opinion. Why wouldn't I? I thought this place would be better than ITH but it's just the same almost but with more variety(as to topics).

Lol next thing I know you'll be playing the victim card. We've seen this game before youngin and it doesn't end well.

State your opinion all day long but do so minus the douchebaggery undertones. Or you will be sent packing. Guaranteed.

[mdn82]

Well I'm not just going to agree with what everyone says here. And I'm going to type my opinion. Why wouldn't I? I thought this place would be better than ITH but it's just the same almost but with more variety(as to topics).

At some point you would hope some people would learn maybe they are a part of the problem when every place they go sucks. Good luck kid. Nobody asked you to ever agree with anyone. That's a you problem if that is truly what you see out of all of this.

[Beowulf50]

Haha what..?

All the no no no's. I thought you had a break down. Regardless it made me laugh!

[Beowulf50]

At some point you would hope some people would learn maybe they are a part of the problem when every place they go sucks. Good luck kid. Nobody asked you to ever agree with anyone. That's a you problem if that is truly what you see out of all of this.

Well said! At some point WTH!

[Hovadipo]

All the no no no's. I thought you had a break down. Regardless it made me laugh!

I DID have a breakdown. It was a childish temper tantrum. Couldn't handle another one of these.

[Beowulf50]

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I DID have a breakdown. It was a childish temper tantrum. Couldn't handle another one of these.[/quote

Ha ha! I know! Sometimes we just need to sit back and have a good laugh!

[ThompsonHoosier]

Its not even close and you know it. You know my kids can hold a more mature conversation than you. Why must you continually be a pain in the ass for the sake of being a pain in the ass? We have asked nicely. We let you turn an IU board into a NBA board. Everyone knows you are young by the way you post. So why must you be this way toward everyone in general? PMs haven't worked. Warnings haven't worked. What are you hoping to accomplish here?

[Old Friend]

I know this topic has been beaten to death...doesn't make the problem any less real.  If you think Crean can succeed at a high level at Indiana without significant in-state success, you're kidding yourself.  There is no evidence to support that, and as long as Purdue DOES have in-state success, you'll always have your #1 rival caring more than our kids do, and that matters.  The reason we're not having in-state success is simply that it's not a high priority for Crean, and he views in-area kids like any others.  I think that's a huge mistake.  

[Stuhoo]

I know this topic has been beaten to death...doesn't make the problem any less real.  If you think Crean can succeed at a high level at Indiana without significant in-state success, you're kidding yourself.  There is no evidence to support that, and as long as Purdue DOES have in-state success, you'll always have your #1 rival caring more than our kids do, and that matters.  The reason we're not having in-state success is simply that it's not a high priority for Crean, and he views in-area kids like any others.  I think that's a huge mistake.  

 

Strawman argument. Posit a falsity like "Purdue DOES have in-state success...(and) The reason we're not having in-state success", and run with it!

 

CTC has had some real success in-state. Hulls, Zeller, Blackmon, Yogi, etc, etc, etc. Please don't cite Swanigan. His handler is a pro agent and a Purdue alum. Purdue's top six last year? Hammons (mostly in-state), Davis (in-state) Octeus (nope) Stephens (nope) Mathias (nope) Haas (nope). 1 and 3/4 out of six...Wow - Painter must not care about in-state kids that care!

 

Our top six last year? Yogi (in-state), Blackmon (yup), Rojo (nope), Troy (nope), Hanner (mostly no), Collinn (yup). Three + out of six (three + out of seven if you include Nick Z). 

 

CTC doesn't get them all, and he doesn't get all the ones you wish he did; I get it. He gets some in-staters that were abject failures (Patterson, Hollowell, Etherington) and misses on some good ones.  

 

The talent level at IU is high, the chemistry appears to be good for now. The bottom line for me? Can CTC coach 'em up well enough.

[MikeRoberts]

One has to admit that Crean has either not prioritized Indiana kids or has just not had a lot of success the past 2 classes.

He had some success prior but not so much lately

[GloryDays]

  This staff is all over the 2017 class but so is everyone else. Its hard to compete with the Duke's, Mich St's and Lousvilles of the world when we can't put two good seasons together.

The key is a good season with some consistency both on and of the court

I feel that class will be make or break  for CTC.We need to win big ,keep kids in class and out of trouble and the recruiting will take care of it's self.

 If not it could get ugly.

[Stuhoo]

  This staff is all over the 2017 class but so is everyone else. Its hard to compete with the Duke's, Mich St's and Lousvilles of the world when we can't put two good seasons together.

The key is a good season with some consistency both on and of the court

I feel that class will be make or break  for CTC.We need to win big ,keep kids in class and out of trouble and the recruiting will take care of it's self.

 If not it could get ugly.

 

After this year we will have put two good seasons together. Not necessarily great seasons, but at a minimum good.

[MikeRoberts]

After this year we will have put two good seasons together. Not necessarily great seasons, but at a minimum good.

we finished tied with Illinois for 7/8 place last year. Last year was not good

[GloryDays]

After this year we will have put two good seasons together. Not necessarily great seasons, but at a minimum good.

I hope we have a good one this year and I believe we will.Last season was looking really good till the late season collapse.

If that hadn't happened i would have considered it a great season.That cant happen again.

[JSHoosier]

  This staff is all over the 2017 class but so is everyone else. Its hard to compete with the Duke's, Mich St's and Lousvilles of the world when we can't put two good seasons together.

The key is a good season with some consistency both on and of the court

I feel that class will be make or break  for CTC.We need to win big ,keep kids in class and out of trouble and the recruiting will take care of it's self.

 If not it could get ugly.

We've put together two good seasons with Crean, even if one of them definitely under achieved.  You have to do it year after year though, not just a season or two here and there.  Problem is we're hoping a coach that hasn't done that in the better part of 20 years suddenly figures it out.

[GloryDays]

We've put together two good seasons with Crean, even if one of them definitely under achieved.  You have to do it year after year though, not just a season or two here and there.  Problem is we're hoping a coach that hasn't done that in the better part of 20 years suddenly figures it out.

  I guess i should have worded my original post differently.I was thinking more in line with you and should have said we need to build consistency.

So far its been everything but.

[Old Friend]

Strawman argument. Posit a falsity like "Purdue DOES have in-state success...(and) The reason we're not having in-state success", and run with it!

 

CTC has had some real success in-state. Hulls, Zeller, Blackmon, Yogi, etc, etc, etc. Please don't cite Swanigan. His handler is a pro agent and a Purdue alum. Purdue's top six last year? Hammons (mostly in-state), Davis (in-state) Octeus (nope) Stephens (nope) Mathias (nope) Haas (nope). 1 and 3/4 out of six...Wow - Painter must not care about in-state kids that care!

 

Our top six last year? Yogi (in-state), Blackmon (yup), Rojo (nope), Troy (nope), Hanner (mostly no), Collinn (yup). Three + out of six (three + out of seven if you include Nick Z). 

 

CTC doesn't get them all, and he doesn't get all the ones you wish he did; I get it. He gets some in-staters that were abject failures (Patterson, Hollowell, Etherington) and misses on some good ones.  

 

The talent level at IU is high, the chemistry appears to be good for now. The bottom line for me? Can CTC coach 'em up well enough.

If you're okay with the results Crean has achieved with the recruiting priorities he's put in place, I don't know what to tell you.  I didn't cite Swanigan.  You did.  

 

Stanford Robinson

Tim Priller

Bawa Muniru

Peter Jurkin

Max Hoetzel

Jeremiah April

Luke Fischer (good player, bad fit)

On and on

 

There's a lot of wasted space on the roster.  Straw man argument?  We're 0-3 against Purdue the last 2 seasons, and we recruited two kids (Hoetzel and Johnson) who said they didn't know or understand the traditions at Indiana before they came here.   Think Purdue has that problem?   They play harder than we do and their kids all understand the Big Ten.  We've finished 8th and 7th in Crean's 6th and 7th seasons.   You don't think the kids we have might be a reason?   Again, you're kidding yourself.  You can call it strawman or anything you want.  I disagree with you and I believe absolutely that in-state and in-area kids should be prioritzed over out of area kids.  For 29 seasons, Bob Knight focused almost exclusively on 3 states.  Indiana, Illinois, and Ohio.   All he did was win 11 Big Ten titles and 3 national championships.  I've seen the point made that it's a new time now and that won't work anymore....talk about an argument with no basis.  History's on my side..as is the list of Indiana kids which have gone elsewhere and succeeded.   That argument is the same to me as the one that says "we didn't want him, anyway" to every kid who picks another school or the one that says because a kid says yes to Indiana, he's the next great thing (Mike White, Muniru, Bracey Wright, Marshall Strickland, etc) whether he can play or not.    Been around too long to just spew this stuff without thinking about it....My opinion is in-area recruiting has suffered because it's not a high enough priority and we're missing great local kids in search of Lord knows what in Maryland or Virginia.  Why??  

 

If not Purdue, what about Butler?  Their team had 9 kids from Indiana or surrounding states plus one from Missouri.  They have 2 more coming next season and Brunk the year after that.  Look at the direction of both programs.   Butler just beat Texas and almost Notre Dame (top 10 team) in the NCAA tournament.   They've been a consistent winner for several years.   Michigan State had 16 kids on their roster last season including walk ons, and 13 of them were from Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, or Illinois.   One from Wyoming is someone named Colby Wollenman, who never plays.   Tum Tum is from the Bahamas...an anomaly.   There's a reason they (MSU) recruit Indiana heavily every year and a reason they win every year.  WIsconsin recruits almost exclusively in their home area and every kid on that roster knows and buys into their program because they understand it.  Think their winning all the time is a coincidence???   What is it about those two schools (the class of the Big Ten) that makes you think Indiana can do things differently and have the same level of success?   The reality is Indiana cannot.  No way Indiana can keep missing as many local players as they have and win consistently.   As I've said, if you believe they can, you're kidding yourself, and there's a reason Purdue has a very local strategy.  

 

Those of you who argue against the importance of prioritizing local recruiting, on what do you base your argument other than you don't agree.  That's fine, but prioritizing the east coast and taking people (mediocre players) from all over isn't working.   I don't ever want to read that a player arrives at Indiana and doesn't understand where he is.   Just makes it that much harder to win conference games when other kids care more than ours do...and I'm here to tell you unequivocally that Noah Vonleh - from the east coast - didn't care about Indiana one bit.  Lottery pick goes 17-15 and misses the post season.  The chemistry matters.