Thoughts on WSU Coach Gregg Marshall

[IUsafety 2,775]

I remember a 2013 Yahoo Sports Blog, "The Dagger " by Blogger ? ? Eisenberg regarding Gregg Marshall. Some interesting comments about money, family and happiness. Might be a good read for some that want more general info on him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/warning-schools-interested-gregg-marshall-won-t-easy-145403691--ncaab.html

[NateNoel 84]

I don't doubt his ability to coach but for some reason I just don't think he is a good fit for Indiana, but I was super stoked when Crean was hired so maybe I know nothing

[IUsafety 2,775]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/warning-schools-interested-gregg-marshall-won-t-easy-145403691--ncaab.html

"I don't want my children having to go to school and getting ridiculed with all the crazy stuff people say. That's not worth an extra $200,000 or $400,000 to me."- Coach Marshall

I guess Marshall won't be a good fit at IU.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

"I don't want my children having to go to school and getting ridiculed with all the crazy stuff people say. That's not worth an extra $200,000 or $400,000 to me."- Coach Marshall

I guess Marshall won't be a good fit at IU.

Move the decimal. 200,000 no. $2,000,000.... Maybe.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

Creans championships are counted on one hand minus a couple fingers. Marshall you need to take off his socks. Marshall actually coaches and wins just like Bo Ryan on a smaller level. When has Crean consistently won on any level? He is easily worth the risk vs getting the same crap year after year with Crean.

I don't want a Bo Ryan level coach. I want better.

[schoosier 3,733]

I'm not disputing he would be a good coach, certainly better than Crean. Marshall wins conference championships. 
 
But it would be neglecting that what he does is on a very small scale compared to IU. I feel like for "up and comer" candidates, there needs to be a youthful exuberance to them. I question why Marshall hasn't made the leap yet, as he is fairly old. 
 
Everything I hear about his personality doesn't make me think he would be able to recruit well or deal with the politics.
 
I don't doubt if you went to the playground and gave Marshall a team to coach he would whoop Crean coached teams, but I'd like to hold out for someone who is:
 
younger/less quirky, proven to recruit better, and wins in march

I think you make good arguments against not hiring him. I'm in the camp that any change, and I mean any as long as rules not broken and kids graduate are worth the risk. What's another 4 years in the scheme of almost 30 when you know coach #3 isn't gonna make it? Next man up just like what coach says after a one or two year tryout for recruits. Indiana isn't heading in the right direction and trending downward. I would gladly take an up an comer like Archie Miller also. Anyone but Crean.

[schoosier 3,733]

I don't want a Bo Ryan level coach. I want better.

If we had a Bo Ryan level coach we wouldn't be having this conversation would we. Bo beats most of the Big teams including Northwestern. How about Crean? 4-8 gets you fired at Iowa let alone IU.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

oh. I forgot we went 9-9 in the B1G and 4-8 over the final 12. Somehow that's supposed to make me want a Bo-clone.

 

Bo's level isn't the level that I want IU to be at. I want to be back, beyond, to where we used to be even before Knight.

 

Not wanting BO caliber has nothing to do with Tom Crean

[Feathery 4,005]

Isnt tommy older than Gregg?haha

I don't think they look alike or even act alike. At halftime Marshall didn't talk in platitudes, he actually said where they needed to be better and what players where struggling. He wasn't pacing the sidelines and was cool calm and collected, his team reflected that.

[Feathery 4,005]

oh. I forgot we went 9-9 in the B1G and 4-8 over the final 12. Somehow that's supposed to make me want a Bo-clone.

Bo's level isn't the level that I want IU to be at. I want to be back, beyond, to where we used to be even before Knight.

Not wanting BO caliber has nothing to do with Tom Crean

First Bo is the best coach in the Big Ten right now. A clone of him would put is on the dance every season and would be way better than we are now.
Bo didn't do anything in Div 1 until he got the Wisc job. Marshall at the D1 level has 17 championships in 17 years. But hey let's keep Crean bc we don't want to improve our coaching. We want to wait 3 years to see if we can make a change for Brad Stevens who has less of a resume than Gregg Marshall. Only to have Brad Stevens say no thank you and stay with the Celtics

Ultimately if the IU job comes open Stevens will have to decide soon than later. He either wants it or he doesn't. If he doesn't now, he won't later bc it means he likes what he is doing in Boston and the plan they have. In a couple years that plan will be developing and they will be a solid playoff team with a chance to do damage with the correct signings. So now or later it's still do you want to coach at IU, no need to wait.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

A Bo-clone?  I don't like his antics or the Wisconsin Whiners but give me a top 4 finish in the B1G every year.

[Josh 13,216]

Marshall would be a huge upgrade.  Huge, massive, enormous, major upgrade.  We'd be lucky to have him and his championship caliber coaching over what we have now.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

No doubt Marshall is an upgrade over Crean.

But our next coaching hire needs to give the fan base no question as to their ability to lead us to a championship. Anyone who can't get us to the level of a contender within two years is another waste of time, money, and further damages our reputation as a blue blood.

[mdn82 26,344]

He isn't leaving for a bottom type program. He will only leave for a blue blood or a program that can excel. Texas, Florida, Cuse would be the type of programs he will leave for. Power conference schools have came after him and he tells them no. He wants to win and he isn't going to a dead end program. He is very smart about his career.

After 17 years of winning you would think he would have found it if he were that good. That's why I am not sold on him. He is smart knowing he could not succeed at a power conference school that would hire him at this point. I don't see him ever ending up at an upper echelon school. He has built one hell of a program where he is though. I hope he stays there for his sake.

Why wouldn't he leave for a middle type of program if he were that good? Look at teams such as Wiscy, UM, MSU, OSU before their respective coaches. You can build a program that isn't on the bottom if you are good. He isn't Brad Stevens. He will not be handed the keys to a blue blood.

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

My wife doesn't like Marshall's hair. Says it's worse than Crean's so he's officially off IU's list of potential hires.

[Feathery 4,005]

After 17 years of winning you would think he would have found it if he were that good. That's why I am not sold on him. He is smart knowing he could not succeed at a power conference school that would hire him at this point. I don't see him ever ending up at an upper echelon school. He has built one hell of a program where he is though. I hope he stays there for his sake.

Why wouldn't he leave for a middle type of program if he were that good? Look at teams such as Wiscy, UM, MSU, OSU before their respective coaches. You can build a program that isn't on the bottom if you are good. He isn't Brad Stevens. He will not be handed the keys to a blue blood.

He doesn't want to take a program at the bottom and bring them up. He loves winning to take the step back, when he can wait for the right job. He will get s top program sooner or later.

[8bucks 7,492]

A lot of guys seem to be patient these days. Stevens said no to several programs before going to Boston. Shaka has done the same thing. I just don't think it is that telling if a guy is still at a mid major.

Now if their performance drops or is inconsistent then that is different. Creans Marq resume was just OK. Marshall's mid major record is much much more impressive.

[Uspshoosier 53,979]

He doesn't want to take a program at the bottom and bring them up. He loves winning to take the step back, when he can wait for the right job. He will get s top program sooner or later.

im hoping you just worded that poorly because if that really is his thought then I'm not sure I would want a coach that would want something handed to him on a silver platter. I would thank that coaches would take great pride in building a program up

[mdn82 26,344]

He doesn't want to take a program at the bottom and bring them up. He loves winning to take the step back, when he can wait for the right job. He will get s top program sooner or later.

Why is every team not winning 30 games per season at the bottom? So a team like Illinois is like Rutgers? That type of coach you described will not make it at a school like IU.

[BGleas 8,982]

The part that's missing in this discussion is that I believe Marshall is getting paid at WSU fairly similar to what a coach at a middle-pack major conference school gets paid. I think the same is for Few at Gonzaga, Smart at VCU and probably Stevens when he was at Butler. So, these guys can take their time and wait for the perfect fit. They're getting taken care of at their mid-major schools, without the hassle.

It's not like the old days when a move from WSU to Illinois, for example, would also be a huge pay raise.