Potential fallout from coaching change

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

I respectfully disagree about Marshall, except Laz because I don't care to be respectful towards him ;)

I think Marshall would be a fantastic hire. He's an up and comer, and is a very good BASKETBALL mind. He may very well flop, just like a lot of coaches would. However, he is ready for the next step and I don't want IU to pass if we don't get Stevens.

A lot of people want a proven, high profile coach. I truly don't see one coming here that would leave another university. I would love for this to happen, but I just don't see it.

We will hopefully see in April :)

[Five Prime 1,085]

Has Marshall been successful at recruiting at Wichita State? On the surface it looks like he has a lot of seniors who play very well.

If this all comes to fruition, my hope is that Marshall would be able to recruit at a high level at Indiana (B1G, fan-base, facilities, etc.), and also continue to coach these kids the way he has been at Wichita.

This is exactly where I'm at. Talent will follow great coaching provided the resources available at IU.

[CrossboneIU22 1,193]

Heard this quite a few times, never from anyone I consider super sourced though. Doesn't mean it isn't true though. The rest of this rumor is Crean to Alabama and Marshall will be Indiana's next coach. It's rumored to be a done deal already.

If it's a done deal, I bet Glass hated to see our pairing draw or at the very least cringed a little. Lol.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

If it's a done deal, I bet Glass hated to see our pairing draw or at the very least cringed a little. Lol.

Let me preface by saying the RUMOR related to this is a done deal. I don't believe this to be true based on plenty of other things I've heard. I explained the rest of the rumor since someone else posted the rumor without names.

You see right though, if this were true, I think you'd notice it in the comments from Glass, Crean & Marshall. Someone would tip their hat.

[Feathery 4,005]

Crean had all of this at Marquette.
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No he didn't and it's not close. outsode of the 2 dWade seasons Crean was similar to Mike Davis not a top coach.

[CrossboneIU22 1,193]

Let me preface by saying the RUMOR related to this is a done deal. I don't believe this to be true based on plenty of other things I've heard. I explained the rest of the rumor since someone else posted the rumor without names.

You see right though, if this were true, I think you'd notice it in the comments from Glass, Crean & Marshall. Someone would tip their hat.

No I fully understand, I was just saying that it would be ironic if it was true.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

No I fully understand, I was just saying that it would be ironic if it was true.

I knew you did. Was more for everyone else :)

[Feathery 4,005]

Well you're calling out everyone that doesn't want him, so tell me what you like so much about him. Change my mind.

I'm just wanting valid reasons for why he wouldn't be a good fit. Want them backed up by facts. I don't think most IU fans know enough about him and are saying they don't want him. If it's not IU he will be the next coach at UNC, Duke, or UK. He is willing to wait.

My reasons for him being in my top 3 (Stevens, Bennett, Marshall) are as follows.

-he has a proven record of building a team
- he emphasizes and teaches both sides of the ball
-he wins championships:
-9 regular season conference championships
-8 conference tournament championships (that makes 17 championships over a 17 year span)
-finished runner up 5 times, and only outside the top 3 in his conference twice (first 2 years building WSU).
-after his program is built even in a "down year" he competes.
-His style historically is what translates to success come March. (Play defense and effective in the half court)
-overall win % is .715
-doesn't need stars to be highly effective
-he makes adjustments

I think that translates well for a quality resume. Then we can project what he can do with better athletes and players he would have available at IU.
Don't get me wrong I love Brad Stevens and is my #1 choice , but if we get Gregg Marshall it would be a home run. The fans should rejoice that we got a coach of his quality and get on board.

[Feathery 4,005]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/feature/25110905/marshalls-plan?v=1&vc=2

Great article on Marshall from cbs.

[Hovadipo 55,453]

I'm just wanting valid reasons for why he wouldn't be a good fit. Want them backed up by facts. I don't think most IU fans know enough about him and are saying they don't want him. If it's not IU he will be the next coach at UNC, Duke, or UK. He is willing to wait.

My reasons for him being in my top 3 (Stevens, Bennett, Marshall) are as follows.

-he has a proven record of building a team
- he emphasizes and teaches both sides of the ball
-he wins championships:
-9 regular season conference championships
-8 conference tournament championships (that makes 17 championships over a 17 year span)
-finished runner up 5 times, and only outside the top 3 in his conference twice (first 2 years building WSU).
-after his program is built even in a "down year" he competes.
-His style historically is what translates to success come March. (Play defense and effective in the half court)
-overall win % is .715
-doesn't need stars to be highly effective
-he makes adjustments

I think that translates well for a quality resume. Then we can project what he can do with better athletes and players he would have available at IU.
Don't get me wrong I love Brad Stevens and is my #1 choice , but if we get Gregg Marshall it would be a home run. The fans should rejoice that we got a coach of his quality and get on board.

All of these (very good) traits and he's still a mid-major coach. Why? Who sits in this level of basketball for 17 years without advancing with this level of success? I can't deny his success, but the pressure that comes with coaching here is nothing like that at Wichita and Winthrop. That's the main reason I want someone that's been at the highest level, and that list is short. Donovan, Stevens, Archie Miller (he doesn't fit with the other 2, but I have a good feeling about him. Young and has the same traits many like about Marshall). Anyone else, and I guess I'll just have to live with it and hope I'm wrong.

[Feathery 4,005]

All of these (very good) traits and he's still a mid-major coach. Why? Who sits in this level of basketball for 17 years without advancing with this level of success? I can't deny his success, but the pressure that comes with coaching here is nothing like that at Wichita and Winthrop. That's the main reason I want someone that's been at the highest level, and that list is short. Donovan, Stevens, Archie Miller (he doesn't fit with the other 2, but I have a good feeling about him. Young and has the same traits many like about Marshall). Anyone else, and I guess I'll just have to live with it and hope I'm wrong.

Read that article I posted above and it talks about why he hasn't left the mid major level yet.

Archie Miller, I like him but he doesn't have the same resume of Marshall and would be a bigger risk. Archie has never won his conference and finished better than 5th in his conference only 1 time. He would be a risky hire from the mid major level. Everyone remembers his elite eight last season. The NCAAs shouldn't be the barometer for who our next coach is. Sustained regular season success will lead to our March success.

[JSHoosier 19,992]

Crean had all of this at Marquette.

 

Marshall also has many early tournament exits. I want someone who has truly proven themselves. Our program has made too many hires that looked like they had potential and ended in disappointment.

No, Crean did not and it's not even close.  Crean finished in the top 2 of his conference twice at Marquette, top 3 three times, in 9 years.  He had a so-so winning percentage of 66.  I've posted his defensive rankings going back to 2002, at Marquette he had a top 25 defense once in that time (admittedly it was just outside top 10) and for the most part his Marquette defenses were far from impressive actually they weren't strong at all defensively.

 

EDIT:  It's already been stated, but Crean's resume is closer to Mike Davis than people want to admit.

[Hovadipo 55,453]

Read that article I posted above and it talks about why he hasn't left the mid major level yet.

Archie Miller, I like him but he doesn't have the same resume of Marshall and would be a bigger risk. Archie has never won his conference and finished better than 5th in his conference only 1 time. He would be a risky hire from the mid major level. Everyone remembers his elite eight last season. The NCAAs shouldn't be the barometer for who our next coach is. Sustained regular season success will lead to our March success.

Archie is definitely a risk. But he's just getting started so he obviously isn't going to have a stocked resumé. He arguably has done more with less than any coach in the country this year. Read articles about him or listen to anyone in the ranks and they'll say he's one of the hottest coaches around.

And I would argue that sustained March success is the best bet for our next hire, hence my top 2. Maybe unlikely hires, but they're still at the top of my list.

[Alford Bailey 12,373]

Marshall to IU makes the most sense IMO. Why do you think the committee moved IU up to a 10 and Whichita down to a 7 seed. NCAA loves to create those made for tv matchups.

[hoosierbgh 1,264]

This thread is pure insanity.

 

It is pure comedy. Or tragedy. Not sure which.

 

First it was anyone but Crean. Then it was my favorite coach or no one, followed by (insert name of popular coach that isn't your favorite) sucks. Next, we had the names of multiple successful but extremely unlikely to leave their current gigs coaches bandied about including the obligatory Stevens man crush action. Finally, several people mentioned a coach who publicly turned down IU last time even though it wasn't clear he was ever even offered. Plus multiple conspiracy theories are mixed in as a cherry on top.

[theriverpilot 5,593]

Marshall to IU makes the most sense IMO. Why do you think the committee moved IU up to a 10 and Whichita down to a 7 seed. NCAA loves to create those made for tv matchups.

 

I used to not believe in this stuff with the committee, but the past couple of years is starting to make me wonder.  The year we beat UK at AH, come tourney time we're in the same bracket for the rematch game in the sweet 16

This year, IU and Wichita St. with the coaching rumors circulating.  If WSU wins, then a bout with KU.  A potential Iowa and Iowa St matchup in the South.  Also, a potential to see what two 7 footers against UK and then a possible rematch against West Virginia.  

 

There seems to be a purpose to several pairings.

 

Probably should've posted this in another thread too.  Sorry guys

[swatford 1,235]

Let me preface by saying the RUMOR related to this is a done deal. I don't believe this to be true based on plenty of other things I've heard. I explained the rest of the rumor since someone else posted the rumor without names.

You see right though, if this were true, I think you'd notice it in the comments from Glass, Crean & Marshall. Someone would tip their hat.

That's what I figured. If anyone watched the presser with Marshall talking about their match up he didn't have much to say about IU. All he mentioned that he watched yogi miss a 3 pointer to beat Maryland and that's all he's seen of us. Didn't really talk about the program at all.

[8bucks 6,395]

All of these (very good) traits and he's still a mid-major coach. Why? Who sits in this level of basketball for 17 years without advancing with this level of success? I can't deny his success, but the pressure that comes with coaching here is nothing like that at Wichita and Winthrop. That's the main reason I want someone that's been at the highest level, and that list is short. Donovan, Stevens, Archie Miller (he doesn't fit with the other 2, but I have a good feeling about him. Young and has the same traits many like about Marshall). Anyone else, and I guess I'll just have to live with it and hope I'm wrong.

Winthrop to WSU was an advancement. Read the cbs article inked above. While reading the first half I thought ok no way he is coming. Then I read the bottom part saying when he goes to a big conference he is waiting for a top program in that conference so he can compete on level ground. Hmmm

[Alford Bailey 12,373]

I used to not believe in this stuff with the committee, but the past couple of years is starting to make me wonder.  The year we beat UK at AH, come tourney time we're in the same bracket for the rematch game in the sweet 16

This year, IU and Wichita St. with the coaching rumors circulating.  If WSU wins, then a bout with KU.  A potential Iowa and Iowa St matchup in the South.  Also, a potential to see what two 7 footers against UK and then a possible rematch against West Virginia.  

 

There seems to be a purpose to several pairings.

 

Probably should've posted this in another thread too.  Sorry guys

Not quite big time wrestling but getting there......

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

http://www.insidethehall.com/2015/03/17/news-and-notes-from-tom-creans-radio-show-3/

 

Here is interview from last night. I think more interesting than comments to Fischer thanking him is the question he answered on his wife and family.

 

A lot more telling according to the rumors that everyone is unhappy.