Potential fallout from coaching change

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

Who said anything about a place holder? I would rather see them keep Crean if they are waiting for Stevens.

That scenario would be the very deff. of a placeholder

[CottageGrove 563]

I'm not saying keep of fire him but understand if he goes, it's 2008 all over again. JBJ, RJ, Yogi and Troy are gone. What, you honestly think they are playing for the name on the front of the jersey? Recruits that we have contacts with won't come. Oh yeah, and one more thing,

No one has ever given me a good reason why a guy would leave the BOSTON CELTICS, one of the premier franchises in all of American professional sports, to coach a 7th place team in the B1G who's fan base just ran off the coach that won them their first regular season title in 20 years less than 2 years ago.

Just saying, watch what you wish for.

 

I'm not sure we would lose a ton of players. Not every coaching transition goes the way 2008 did for us.  There may be a guy here or there that goes, but most of the team will stay.

 

I agree with you that I don't think Stevens leaves the Celtics. Maybe he decides someday that he doesn't want to be in the NBA, but I don't think he jumps ship after just 2 years.

[CottageGrove 563]

I only know about "school pay" but Crean makes $3.16M a year base salary via his contract extension. Surely he has endorsements, as well. He would be 9th on that list in terms of base pay, barely behind Matta. 

 

For comparison, Stevens has a 6 year/$22 million contract with Boston. That puts him at $3.67M per year base. I'm sure he has better incentives than Crean, but it's clear that IU can throw a little more money at Stevens to give him a raise. It wouldn't be much different than where they are at now (though that doesn't account for the huge buyout they will owe Crean). 

 

My whole point there was that I don't think IU can afford $10M/year after it was suggested we make Stevens the highest paid coach in the country, not that we couldn't offer more than Stevens currently makes.

[TheWatShot 14,246]

Keep him. IU has had 4 coaches, counting DD, in he last 15 years. Can't build a consistent winner if you can't consistently lose coaches.

 

What are the benefits of keeping him? It's prolonging the inevitable. If you don't think he'll be here a few years from now, peel off the band-aid and get it over with. 

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

I would tend to look at the Stevens/Celtics scenario like this.

1. Coach a great program/franchise. Get paid 3.5 mil a year to do it. Have very little control over personnel decisions. Be in a star dependent league with no stars on the horizon for your team. Live on the east coast

2. Coach a great program/franchise. Receive a significant raise from the above number. Have total control over personnel decisions. Be in a league where team play can win a title, as well as star play. Live in your home state

[mamasa 15,385]

And you seriously believe that he would leave the Celtics, the NBA and all that money because IU fans really want him to and his dad played football there.

Delusional.

Depending on where you are from, indiana university is a far bigger deal than the boston celtics.

Iu can pay him more than the celtics, he makes about as much as crean does now.

The nba draw is different for everyone, Stevens doesn't strike me as a guy who will be in the nba forever.

You call others delusional, I call you ill informed

Enough with the name calling

[8bucks 6,556]

Keep him. IU has had 4 coaches, counting DD, in he last 15 years. Can't build a consistent winner if you can't consistently lose coaches.

You should at least try and use a good argument.
Davis had 6 years and took over a team that was in pretty good shape.

Sampson had 2 years and was a cheater and a terrible hire.

Dakich was interim and had about a month. Should not be in your argument.

Crean has had 7 years.

So outside of Sampson who created a toxic culture and cheated you are arguing that 6 years for Davis and 7 for Crean is not enough time to determine their abilities.

You are correct you cannot build a consistent winner (at least we are on the same page wanting this) if you keep losing coaches. I would argue that Davis has shown he was the wrong guy to build a consistent winner. Sampson was clearly a bad fit. Creans last four years plus his time at Marquette seems to strongly suggest he is not the guy to build a consistent winner.

[DawgBawls 712]

I would tend to look at the Stevens/Celtics scenario like this.

1. Coach a great program/franchise. Get paid 3.5 mil a year to do it. Have very little control over personnel decisions. Be in a star dependent league with no stars on the horizon for your team. Live on the east coast

2. Coach a great program/franchise. Receive a significant raise from the above number. Have total control over personnel decisions. Be in a league where team play can win a title, as well as star play. Live in your home state

Its a no brainer for me ...where do I sign up?

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

Its a no brainer for me ...where do I sign up?

When you look at it like that, it doesn't seem so ridiculous does it?

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

That Stevens took the Celtics job to begin with shows me that he is very unpredictable. I doubt anyone outside of his close inner circle saw that coming. He marches to the sound of his own drum. So who can say if he would come to IU now or not? Offer him the be$t deal we can and see what happens.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

I would tend to look at the Stevens/Celtics scenario like this.

1. Coach a great program/franchise. Get paid 3.5 mil a year to do it. Have very little control over personnel decisions. Be in a star dependent league with no stars on the horizon for your team. Live on the east coast

2. Coach a great program/franchise. Receive a significant raise from the above number. Have total control over personnel decisions. Be in a league where team play can win a title, as well as star play. Live in your home state

Think Stevens likes that in the NBA the focus is not on the coach... They want a private family life, not the fishbowl that IUs coach and family lives in. You never know until you ask during an opening, but it doesn't seem very likely...

[Magnanimous 4,628]

Yeah, but who's going to fire a college coach in July? Got to give it to Crean, he has some smart lawyers.

 

You do realize this is the same program that fired one of the greatest coaches of all-time in September right?

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

Think Stevens likes that in the NBA the focus is not on the coach... They want a private family life, not the fishbowl that IUs coach and family lives in. You never know until you ask during an opening, but it doesn't seem very likely...

That could very we'll be the case as we'll and I should have listed that. The celtics head coaching job I'm sure isn't devoid of all pressure, but I'll bet IU is more

[southernindianahoosier 422]

And you seriously believe that he would leave the Celtics, the NBA and all that money because IU fans really want him to and his dad played football there.

Delusional.

The money is not an issue at all. A guy in his position doesn't need to make a decision about money ever.

Why are you so delusional and negative? He's what the program needs. What makes you so quick to say "oh, he won't come here"? Have you talked to him? Give me your reasons

[WindyCitySource 600]

My whole point there was that I don't think IU can afford $10M/year after it was suggested we make Stevens the highest paid coach in the country, not that we couldn't offer more than Stevens currently makes.

 

Right I gotcha... I sort of combined a response to you and a response to the thread in general into one. Didn't mean to direct that all at you!

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

They just can't get on board with all the hugs I give out. They'll learn to love me.

In their defense, they are all technically a battery.

And, I've heard the NCAA is thinking of declaring "Hovahugs" an impermissible benefit.

[87ashtonhoosier 150]

If you want to send a message, don't go to the games. An empty house against MSU forces Fred's hand

Last game the balconies were already 2/3 empty, I think denial is firmly entrenched!

[87ashtonhoosier 150]

I'm not saying keep of fire him but understand if he goes, it's 2008 all over again. JBJ, RJ, Yogi and Troy are gone. What, you honestly think they are playing for the name on the front of the jersey? for.

If they go, will we really be worse off? No defense, drive and jump, and then look to pass? Give me a break, let's get onto establishing a whole new culture for IU basketball. One built on EFFORT, where players don't just stand around on offense until 12 left, only to go one-on-one with someone 5 inches taller and just as quick. Where coaches coach defense and are not satisfied with trading baskets on back-to-back possessions. A place where we welcome players who WANT to wear the name INDIANA on their jersey. F the spoiled brat prima donnas, let's seek out and find players with character and some semblance of a work effort.

[Hovadipo 56,801]

In their defense, they are all technically a battery.

And, I've heard the NCAA is thinking of declaring "Hovahugs" an impermissible benefit.

If Hovahugs are an impermissible benefit, call me Nevin Shapiro because I give those bad boys to anyone that wants one.

[JSHoosier 20,449]

I'm not saying keep of fire him but understand if he goes, it's 2008 all over again. JBJ, RJ, Yogi and Troy are gone. What, you honestly think they are playing for the name on the front of the jersey? Recruits that we have contacts with won't come. Oh yeah, and one more thing,

No one has ever given me a good reason why a guy would leave the BOSTON CELTICS, one of the premier franchises in all of American professional sports, to coach a 7th place team in the B1G who's fan base just ran off the coach that won them their first regular season title in 20 years less than 2 years ago.

Just saying, watch what you wish for.

Let's not let the possibility of players leaving force us to keep a coach that, at this point, clearly won't get the job done any longer than it takes to get a home run hire.

 

We did that once before, and the result was Mike Davis.  Screw that, I'm not willing to down that road again.