Potential fallout from coaching change

[hoosierpap 14,300]

What do you mean with your last sentence? If the extension might not come into play does that mean he is still likely to retain Crean?

Some sort of mutual agreement

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

I've gone a little foggy on some things since its been a while since I've intensely followed basketball recruiting. Is it similar to football recruiting in that when a coaching change happens its not uncommon for them to bring recruits from their previous school to their new one? How binding is the LOI really?

[djsalway 4,161]

I've gone a little foggy on some things since its been a while since I've intensely followed basketball recruiting. Is it similar to football recruiting in that when a coaching change happens its not uncommon for them to bring recruits from their previous school to their new one? How binding is the LOI really?

All depends on if the player is in it for the coach or in it for the school. Kingsley Okoroh committed to Tennessee one day to play for Martin and the next day he switched to Cal when Cuanzo took the job. I'm not positive, but I believe a coaching change releases you from your LOI?

[Gahoosierfan 272]

The article states that Crean gets $11 million if he is fired after April 1. So why not fire him on March 31. This team isn't going anywhere anyway. I blame Glass for all this . It was a bad hire to begin with and yes I stated that vociferously when it happened.

[KelleyHoosh 2,263]

All depends on if the player is in it for the coach or in it for the school. Kingsley Okoroh committed to Tennessee one day to play for Martin and the next day he switched to Cal when Cuanzo took the job. I'm not positive, but I believe a coaching change releases you from your LOI?

Thanks! I'd like to see how Archie can recruit at a school like IU. He seems to be doing fine numbers wise at Dayton but for the current class they're mostly unheralded 3 star kids. Doesn't matter since he's putting out a winning product though

[djsalway 4,161]

The article states that Crean gets $11 million if he is fired after April 1. So why not fire him on March 31. This team isn't going anywhere anyway. I blame Glass for all this . It was a bad hire to begin with and yes I stated that vociferously when it happened.

 

Isn't the buyout $12 million, drops to $11 on April 1 and drops again in July?

[djsalway 4,161]

Thanks! I'd like to see how Archie can recruit at a school like IU. He seems to be doing fine numbers wise at Dayton but for the current class they're mostly unheralded 3 star kids. Doesn't matter since he's putting out a winning product though

 

Tough to do that at the higher levels. Pretty much everyone in the A10 is recruiting unheralded 3 stars and developing them. Shows that he does a great job of development. But at this level, you have to recruit 4 and 5 stars and develop them. Would be interesting to see how he could do at this level. His brother certainly transitioned well.

[WindyCitySource 600]

Isn't the buyout $12 million, drops to $11 on April 1 and drops again in July?

 

Yes... drops to $7.5M on July 1st. Obviously would save the school a ton of money but at that point the (college) coaching carousel has come to a halt. Indiana could do it, though... big enough program to make a big time hire regardless of the time of year. 

 

Stevens won't be available (theoretically) until April 16th at the earliest, the day after the Celts regular season ends. As bad as they have been this year, they still could actually make the playoffs in the horrid Eastern Conference. Just  2 games back of the 8-seed right now despite being 23-35. Yeesh the East bad. 

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

Sean Miller has shown his ability to be a fantastic recruiter at Arizona. Archie is a better coach, IMO, and may have his brother's knack for recruiting at a higher level as well. It would be fascinating to see how he would develop as HC at IU. He's young so there is the potential for building a dynasty here.

 

( My dream hire is still Stevens but I fear that is a pipedream at this point. )

 

Edit: I think most current players would stay if a coach like Archie is hired. We would just lose the guys who were already planning to leave.

[bnkepner 1,509]

Sean Miller has shown his ability to be a fantastic recruiter at Arizona. Archie is a better coach, IMO, and may have his brother's knack for recruiting at a higher level as well. It would be fascinating to see how he would develop as HC at IU. He's young so there is the potential for building a dynasty here.

 

( My dream hire is still Stevens but I fear that is a pipedream at this point. )

 

Edit: I think most current players would stay if a coach like Archie is hired. We would just lose the guys who were already planning to leave.

We missed out on Sean Miller back when we signed Crean. I would be up for bringing in Archie as the coach this time around

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Last year on the IU Scout board, there was a very level-headed discussion about potential coaching candidates to replace Crean. The staff on that board did an interview with Crean, and a short time later, the thread mysteriously disappeared.


Big Brother is watching.

IU is definitely watching. I've been contacted by IU multiple times, won't name names, but they have requested stuff here be removed. They do it to all the big sites.

[HoosierSadaseci 2,258]

What do you mean with your last sentence? If the extension might not come into play does that mean he is still likely to retain Crean?

I'm thinking maybe it means Crean will leave on his own resignation...or I'm hoping for that at least.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,314]

IU is definitely watching. I've been contacted by IU multiple times, won't name names, but they have requested stuff here be removed. They do it to all the big sites.

interesting. Not too surprising though, I guess.

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

The article states that Crean gets $11 million if he is fired after April 1. So why not fire him on March 31. This team isn't going anywhere anyway. I blame Glass for all this . It was a bad hire to begin with and yes I stated that vociferously when it happened.

Fairly certain Greenspan hired Crean

[bnkepner 1,509]

The only thing Im afraid of is that the administration and the university won't listen to the fans. Look at where we are now and compare it to Davis last few years. Are we in a better place than we were then? Not really. Same results. Crean doesn't have a lot going for him this year. We could still turn around and win a few more games, but he has shown over the last 11 games that he just flat out won't adapt and change things between games. Last night we were still running the same offensive and defensive sets that have made us lose 7 of the last 11 games. He doesn't have a lot of promise with his upcoming classes either. Sounds like he has started to rub recruits and high school coaches the wrong way. I just don't see much changing if he stays. But I think the University is satisfied with the mediocre level of play. Very sad. We need to do something as fans to let them know how we feel, but I just don't see how we can actually do that

[bnkepner 1,509]

Fairly certain Greenspan hired Crean

Glass signed him to the crazy extension...

[87ashtonhoosier 150]

All players stay, figure things will improve. Dope smokers and drunks will get booted by future coach.

[LazOffTheBench 3,638]

It seems like the fans last night were letting the administration know how they feel. It was a nationally televised game that pointedly showed fans leaving AH early. Not exactly good PR for IU.

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

If you want to send a message, don't go to the games. An empty house against MSU forces Fred's hand

[WindyCitySource 600]

If you want to send a message, don't go to the games. An empty house against MSU forces Fred's hand

 

What kind of message does that send to current players, future players and future coaches? You want Yogi and them to stick around, but the students boycott the last game of the season because of the coach. Boo them when they walk off the court. Yeah right. 

Also, what coach wants to step into a situation like that?