Rick Bozich On Crean and Co.

[schoosier 3,569]

Any solid professional with character that demands to work for an organization with the same level of integrity would not consider working for a university dismissing Crean with job he is currently doing.   The idea of firing Glass and Crean considering IU has the 2nd most wins against top 25 in the last 3.5 years is amazing.  I have no problems with the coaches you mentioned I think both are awesome; however, I appreciate what Tom Crean is in the process of putting together and the momentum of results have already began to spring up as we are sitting at 4-1 with a very small lineup due to injuries and LF transfer.

I respectfully disagree and think coaches would be lining up to take Crean's place. We are talking about big time college basketball here, and you conveniently leave out how he hasn't led us further than a sweet 16 birth in any year. Those results don't get you extensions at Indiana, Kentucky, Kansas, or any other of the top 6-7 schools. They get you fired. And if those results get you an extension, the AD gets fired too.

[maxwell 621]

Fair comment. This is the year to overachieve and so far, so good. But, he has a lot of work to do. I'm rooting for him and always for my Hoosiers. If he misses the tournament, say thanks and bye. If he makes it and Stevens becomes availabe, you probably do the same.[FIRE CREAN'S Azz]   :120:  :120:  :120:     :ninja: CTC:  "I love ya SC.. but please go to Boston & ROOT for Brad because between you and all these dog gone diet cokes... I've developed a tremendous headache.  Besides  I'm in here for the long haul anyway.  thanks and bye" :ninja: 

 

    Just curious here.  Exactly what is it that you wish upon people that you are not rooting for?

 

I respectfully disagree and think coaches would be lining up to take Crean's place. We are talking about big time college basketball here, and you conveniently leave out how he hasn't led us further than a sweet 16 birth in any year. Those results don't get you extensions at Indiana, Kentucky, Kansas, or any other of the top 6-7 schools. They get you fired. And if those results get you an extension, the AD gets fired too.

Hey man... I've got to hand it to you.  You've got tremendous passion to send Crean packing.  What level in the NCAA tournament would he have to reach to win your trust and loyalty?  Loyalty the would last longer than two sentences that is (see above).  How often does he need to hit that level? :rtfm: I'm sure he really does want to please you.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

I respectfully disagree and think coaches would be lining up to take Crean's place. We are talking about big time college basketball here, and you conveniently leave out how he hasn't led us further than a sweet 16 birth in any year. Those results don't get you extensions at Indiana, Kentucky, Kansas, or any other of the top 6-7 schools. They get you fired. And if those results get you an extension, the AD gets fired too.

I don't want a coach man enough to line up to take Crean's place. I only want a coach that was man enough to line up to take Sampson's place!

[MikeRoberts 7,436]

I don't want a coach man enough to line up to take Crean's place. I only want a coach that was man enough to line up to take Sampson's place!

there were a lot of them. Which one do you want?

[moyemayhem 1,326]

I think Crean has done very well with this team, and IMO this type of roster (smallish and loaded with shooters) is taylor made for his style.  That doesn't mean I'm satisfied with our program as a whole right now.   I don't believe Crean deserves tons of props because he just got us in the top 25.  That's great and all, but we shouldn't be happy to be here.  We should expect to be here year round at this point.  I don't believe we are building towards a championship calibur roster, and I'm pretty dubious that we have a championship calibur coach.  I hope I'm wrong about that, but the issues with the program remain for me.

 

Imagine 7 years ago being told Indiana is overachieving, and then being told that we got our first ranking of the season on January 19th.  If that's overachieving at IU, then the standards have absolutley been dropped.

 

Sorry, I hate being a Debbie Downer, someone GIF me and put me in my place.

[HoosierTrav 7,995]

I don't want a coach man enough to line up to take Crean's place. I only want a coach that was man enough to line up to take Sampson's place!

 

    Just curious here.  Exactly what is it that you wish upon people that you are not rooting for?

 

Hey man... I've got to hand it to you.  You've got tremendous passion to send Crean packing.  What level in the NCAA tournament would he have to reach to win your trust and loyalty?  Loyalty the would last longer than two sentences that is (see above).  How often does he need to hit that level? :rtfm: I'm sure he really does want to please you.

May I ask you what would have to happen for you to lose support of CTC? I'm really just trying to get a better understanding of the mindset of someone I don't agree with. I'm not trying to be argumentative at all.  Lets say he's been here for a decade and we never reached a final four; would this be enough for you to want another coach to take the reigns? Are you completely sold on the idea that Indiana can never be what it once was, like many fans today? In your opinion, why is Crean struggling tremendously on the recruiting trial right now. In your eyes, he's elite. What could possible cause our recruiting to bottom out IMMEDIATELY after sending 3 players into the NBA draft lotto?

 

I myself happen to believe that the right coach would have made a Final Four @ Indiana within 7 years of taking the job. I don't subscribe to the notion that Indiana cannot and will never be what it once was. We have every single ingredient in place to achieve this, except (IMO) having the elite coach. I sometimes hear the people who support Crean the most bring up the point that ALL coaches have down years. This is true but I think the most common denominator amongst them that Crean doesn't fit into, is the fact that their recruiting doesn't really fall flat and they only average 1 down year out of every 4. Looking at Crean's entire head coaching career, it is completely reasonable to expect a mediocre or below avg year 2 or 3 times out of 4 years, with the 1 or maybe 2 seasons where he overachieves.. Another crazy statistic that should not be overlooked is the fact that Crean has only qualified for the NCAA tournament in 7 of his 16 seasons coaching.

 

Maxwell: You mentioned that no solid professional or man of integrity would take Crean's job after the job he's doing here. First and most importantly, Crean is paid accordingly. The pressure of making final fours or bust is offset by making him the highest paid state employee. Did you know that Bo Ryan makes a full $1,000,000 less than CTC on a yearly basis? I dare you to try and give me a rational justification for that.  I think any coach willing to accept the Indiana job after CTC is ousted would be fully aware that he is coming in with huge expectations and is fully confident in his ability to live up to or exceed these expectations. He would understand that Sweet 16's and missing the tournament and NIT is unacceptable. It may be acceptable for you but I guarantee you that if he doesnt win and win BIG within the next three years, he's toast. Thats how it is and it's completely fair to expect at least one final four in a decade. If Crean had the level of integrity that you speak of, he would have refused to be paid all of his $3.5 million dollar salary last season. Him accepting last seasons salary after performing the way he did puts him in the same class of integrity as any coach who wants the Indiana job after him. No?

[HoosierTrav 7,995]

I think Crean has done very well with this team, and IMO this type of roster (smallish and loaded with shooters) is taylor made for his style.  That doesn't mean I'm satisfied with our program as a whole right now.   I don't believe Crean deserves tons of props because he just got us in the top 25.  That's great and all, but we shouldn't be happy to be here.  We should expect to be here year round at this point.  I don't believe we are building towards a championship calibur roster, and I'm pretty dubious that we have a championship calibur coach.  I hope I'm wrong about that, but the issues with the program remain for me.

 

Imagine 7 years ago being told Indiana is overachieving, and then being told that we got our first ranking of the season on January 19th.  If that's overachieving at IU, then the standards have absolutley been dropped.

 

Sorry, I hate being a Debbie Downer, someone GIF me and put me in my place.

I totally agree. This is the type of team he's always had success with. Don't be sorry for having high expectations. Hoosier Nation has become the Burns/ Focker family. One side thinks they should get trophies for finishing in 8th place, while the other side thinks trophies should go to champions. Accomplishment means two completely different things to the two sides. You've picked the right side my friend.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

I totally agree. This is the type of team he's always had success with. Don't be sorry for having high expectations. Hoosier Nation has become the Burns/ Focker family. One side thinks they should get trophies for finishing in 8th place, while the other side thinks trophies should go to champions. Accomplishment means two completely different things to the two sides. You've picked the right side my friend.

That's mistaken. Both sides believe that accomplishments are championships and championships only. The "Fockers" recognize the successful completion of steps towards a championship and the "Burns" don't care to hear about successes, just a championship.

[schoosier 3,569]

That's mistaken. Both sides believe that accomplishments are championships and championships only. The "Fockers" recognize the successful completion of steps towards a championship and the "Burns" don't care to hear about successes, just a championship.

Which one gets to hang the banner?

[Alford Bailey 12,532]

May I ask you what would have to happen for you to lose support of CTC? I'm really just trying to get a better understanding of the mindset of someone I don't agree with. I'm not trying to be argumentative at all.  Lets say he's been here for a decade and we never reached a final four; would this be enough for you to want another coach to take the reigns? Are you completely sold on the idea that Indiana can never be what it once was, like many fans today? In your opinion, why is Crean struggling tremendously on the recruiting trial right now. In your eyes, he's elite. What could possible cause our recruiting to bottom out IMMEDIATELY after sending 3 players into the NBA draft lotto?

 

I myself happen to believe that the right coach would have made a Final Four @ Indiana within 7 years of taking the job. I don't subscribe to the notion that Indiana cannot and will never be what it once was. We have every single ingredient in place to achieve this, except (IMO) having the elite coach. I sometimes hear the people who support Crean the most bring up the point that ALL coaches have down years. This is true but I think the most common denominator amongst them that Crean doesn't fit into, is the fact that their recruiting doesn't really fall flat and they only average 1 down year out of every 4. Looking at Crean's entire head coaching career, it is completely reasonable to expect a mediocre or below avg year 2 or 3 times out of 4 years, with the 1 or maybe 2 seasons where he overachieves.. Another crazy statistic that should not be overlooked is the fact that Crean has only qualified for the NCAA tournament in 7 of his 16 seasons coaching.

 

Maxwell: You mentioned that no solid professional or man of integrity would take Crean's job after the job he's doing here. First and most importantly, Crean is paid accordingly. The pressure of making final fours or bust is offset by making him the highest paid state employee. Did you know that Bo Ryan makes a full $1,000,000 less than CTC on a yearly basis? I dare you to try and give me a rational justification for that.  I think any coach willing to accept the Indiana job after CTC is ousted would be fully aware that he is coming in with huge expectations and is fully confident in his ability to live up to or exceed these expectations. He would understand that Sweet 16's and missing the tournament and NIT is unacceptable. It may be acceptable for you but I guarantee you that if he doesnt win and win BIG within the next three years, he's toast. Thats how it is and it's completely fair to expect at least one final four in a decade. If Crean had the level of integrity that you speak of, he would have refused to be paid all of his $3.5 million dollar salary last season. Him accepting last seasons salary after performing the way he did puts him in the same class of integrity as any coach who wants the Indiana job after him. No?

What he said :yes:

[Alford Bailey 12,532]

I totally agree. This is the type of team he's always had success with. Don't be sorry for having high expectations. Hoosier Nation has become the Burns/ Focker family. One side thinks they should get trophies for finishing in 8th place, while the other side thinks trophies should go to champions. Accomplishment means two completely different things to the two sides. You've picked the right side my friend.

What he said, again :yes:

[8bucks 6,722]

I think his main concern is that they will be solid third year players AT Indiana.

Exactly. No reason to suspect any of those guys will be gone before then but most of us were pretty confident Stan was going to be a solid 4 year guy too. When we are very young like last year we struggle to be mid pack in the BT so in 2017 I want the freshman we may be in on now to be complimented by 4 or 5 junior/senior kids who can lead well on and off court.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Which one gets to hang the banner?

We're all on the same team, so both :)

[Miller'sTheMan 1,652]

I think Crean has done very well with this team, and IMO this type of roster (smallish and loaded with shooters) is taylor made for his style.  That doesn't mean I'm satisfied with our program as a whole right now.   I don't believe Crean deserves tons of props because he just got us in the top 25.  That's great and all, but we shouldn't be happy to be here.  We should expect to be here year round at this point.  I don't believe we are building towards a championship calibur roster, and I'm pretty dubious that we have a championship calibur coach.  I hope I'm wrong about that, but the issues with the program remain for me.

 

Imagine 7 years ago being told Indiana is overachieving, and then being told that we got our first ranking of the season on January 19th.  If that's overachieving at IU, then the standards have absolutley been dropped.

 

Sorry, I hate being a Debbie Downer, someone GIF me and put me in my place.

Lets say we get Thomas Bryant the 5 star center... And all of our impact players come back from this year's squad. What are we missing to be a championship caliber roster?

[jonz44 810]

Lets say we get Thomas Bryant the 5 star center... And all of our impact players come back from this year's squad. What are we missing to be a championship caliber roster?

Who are we losing to get Bryant? We're already over signed by two. Means three would have to go.

[8bucks 6,722]

Lets say we get Thomas Bryant the 5 star center... And all of our impact players come back from this year's squad. What are we missing to be a championship caliber roster?

I think if we get Bryant we are in the hunt. If we do not then we need to combine a strong freshman class in 2017 with veterans like RoJo, Emmit, Colin and perhaps the 16 freshman.

We will probably lose Troy and JBj before they graduate but we need the core I mentioned above to not only stay but improve each year. Then we can not only sustain but can build on the success of a couple top 25 years (the second top 25 might be top 10 if we get a very good big).

[HoosierRob 1,042]

I'm telling you all don't be surprised if Troy leaves after this year .. He's shooting up draft boards

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,302]

Our 2015 recruiting class is middle of the pack in the B1G at best. That shouldn't EVER happen. Still 2 more to add likely so things can change BUT Crean has to up his recruiting game.

I like Anunoby and Morgan but I like them better with a Bryant, Maker, Swanigan-Type. Players win! ESPECIALLY in Crean's system. We gotta get and KEEP our talent! Or our ceiling is LIMITED.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Our 2015 recruiting class is middle of the pack in the B1G at best. That shouldn't EVER happen. Still 2 more to add likely so things can change BUT Crean has to up his recruiting game.

I like Anunoby and Morgan but I like them better with a Bryant, Maker, Swanigan-Type. Players win! ESPECIALLY in Crean's system. We gotta get and KEEP our talent! Or our ceiling is LIMITED.

I agree, it's nice to have the top recruiting class with a top national recruit. But the two things our fan base wants out of recruiting classes are 1) Talent 2) Longevity

Those two wants cannot be fulfilled by Swanigan and Maker type players. Players like OG and Morgan offer talent, ability to improve, and the likelihood that they become veteran players with talent AND experience. I don't want to see Crean continue to recruit Priller and April type players, but I'm very happy with recruiting classes of talented players who will play 3+ years together.

[HoosierAloha 30,089]

I agree, it's nice to have the top recruiting class with a top national recruit. But the two things our fan base wants out of recruiting classes are 1) Talent 2) Longevity

Those two wants cannot be fulfilled by Swanigan and Maker type players. Players like OG and Morgan offer talent, ability to improve, and the likelihood that they become veteran players with talent AND experience. I don't want to see Crean continue to recruit Priller and April type players, but I'm very happy with recruiting classes of talented players who will play 3+ years together.

 

You need an impact player in almost every class.  They may leave early but you need some big time players with big time talent.