College Bball Thread

[Hillsdale87]

1 hour ago, bigrod said:

Fixed it for you...

Thanks. That's what I meant to say. Just changed it in my original post too

[Str8Hoosiers]

48 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Look we can play the what if game all people want.  “What if Archie wins it all next year derp. “

At the end of the day making the tournament is the baseline for an acceptable bad year by most canvases that pay their coach 3 million a year. “We had a bad year but at least we made the tourney” Archie has yet to do that. And now goes into year 3 with a very unbalanced roster even if Devonte is able to be a consistent contributor and that’s a big if. 

Obviously if year 3 goes better I’ll admit I was wrong. But you know what. I started to have concerns about Crean after year 2 and everybody told me I was wrong and wasn’t a real fan and I got told that pretty consistently for 6 years by at least half the fan base  

Ignoring the bad things in the hopes that the good possibilities happen is just wishful thinking. 

And from personal experience people who refuse to change and don’t hold people accountable don’t succeed regardless of their role. 

I am not even playing the what if game, I am saying those other coaches didn't do some great things and surpass all their expectations... they both barely met their expectations by your standards because they made the tourney... we met our expectations too because we weren't expected to make the tourney and we didn't... we almost surpassed like Mack & Holtman did....

Anybody can have concerns, but the factually stating that we messed up by hiring Archie instead of Holtman or Mack is the WHAT IF game you mentioned... what if we hired one of them and they did what Archie did here and Archie went to OSU and did what they did... would we be saying Holtman can't coach and we messed up by not hiring Archie?

Things do need to change and we need to regain our spot in the national rankings/perceptions... but who says nothing is changing. Changes have been made... multiple players are no longer with this team, a couple of which are at least rumored to be part of the problem we obviously had with both team chemisty and shooting woes... we brought in another McD's guy, a gut with a lot of D1 experience, and another guard.... add that to whatever changes are being made by the guys who stayed and we can play the what if game all day....

Or we could have another terrible season and Archie could have everybody turn on him, Glass could get canned, new AD could go a new route... those are all What Ifs....

[BGVille Hoosierfan]

Breaking: Brad Calipari has entered the transfer portal...State Fair Community College is about to get a whole lot better.

 

 

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[Baltimore Hoosier]

It really doesn't and I'm a huge Archie fan. I just think he needs time. Adjustments to recruiting and coaching philosophy in the B10 alot different than at Dayton. I think he should get a full recruiting cycle.

I wonder how much time Juwan Howard is gonna need.



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[biteoftheapple]

I believe Howard will get ample opportunity. He will have a recruiting advantage over many. His hires for assistants will be key to help him understand the college coaching role.

[Maedhros]

19 hours ago, Str8Hoosiers said:

I am not even playing the what if game, I am saying those other coaches didn't do some great things and surpass all their expectations... they both barely met their expectations by your standards because they made the tourney... we met our expectations too because we weren't expected to make the tourney and we didn't... we almost surpassed like Mack & Holtman did....

Anybody can have concerns, but the factually stating that we messed up by hiring Archie instead of Holtman or Mack is the WHAT IF game you mentioned... what if we hired one of them and they did what Archie did here and Archie went to OSU and did what they did... would we be saying Holtman can't coach and we messed up by not hiring Archie?

Things do need to change and we need to regain our spot in the national rankings/perceptions... but who says nothing is changing. Changes have been made... multiple players are no longer with this team, a couple of which are at least rumored to be part of the problem we obviously had with both team chemisty and shooting woes... we brought in another McD's guy, a gut with a lot of D1 experience, and another guard.... add that to whatever changes are being made by the guys who stayed and we can play the what if game all day....

Or we could have another terrible season and Archie could have everybody turn on him, Glass could get canned, new AD could go a new route... those are all What Ifs....

We weren't expected to make the tournament? What fresh nonsense is this? We were picked third in the Big Ten preseason media poll. Both the AP preason poll and the preseason KenPom rankings had us at 28 nationally. National writers like Rob Dauster, Gary Parrish and Andy Katz all had us ranked in the 20's of their preseason rankings. Those are all the marks of a tournament worthy team, and one that would be favored to win a game. We finished the year at 52 in KenPom, and stopped receiving AP votes in January.

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Maedhros said:

We weren't expected to make the tournament? What fresh nonsense is this? We were picked third in the Big Ten preseason media poll. Both the AP preason poll and the preseason KenPom rankings had us at 28 nationally. National writers like Rob Dauster, Gary Parrish and Andy Katz all had us ranked in the 20's of their preseason rankings. Those are all the marks of a tournament worthy team, and one that would be favored to win a game. We finished the year at 52 in KenPom, and stopped receiving AP votes in January.

 

+1 - We were expected to make the tournament last year.

My expectation is that we should make it this year. Less than that will not be okay.

 

[mdn82]

 
+1 - We were expected to make the tournament last year.
My expectation is that we should make it this year. Less than that will not be okay.
 

I am not trying to speak for Stu on this at all. But I 100% agree with him. I think the disconnect is when Stu puts it like this there are some that feel posts like this are absolving Archie or the team of fault. It’s not that way at all. This team and program is where it is. This year is the year coaches would normally begin doing extension negotiations. If Archie doesn’t win this year and do something to deserve a contract extension recruiting in the future will become even more difficult and ultimately make his job damn near impossible.


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[HoosierX]

On ‎5‎/‎29‎/‎2019 at 9:47 PM, BtownBanner6 said:

Grimes would be nice to have, and we have the space to eat up a scholarship 

Any chance we go after him?

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

We weren't expected to make the tournament? What fresh nonsense is this? We were picked third in the Big Ten preseason media poll. Both the AP preason poll and the preseason KenPom rankings had us at 28 nationally. National writers like Rob Dauster, Gary Parrish and Andy Katz all had us ranked in the 20's of their preseason rankings. Those are all the marks of a tournament worthy team, and one that would be favored to win a game. We finished the year at 52 in KenPom, and stopped receiving AP votes in January.

So we see revisionism strikes both sides of the Archie debate?

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[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

So we see revisionism strikes both sides of the Archie debate?

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Yep and regardless of preseason expectations we were 12-2 then proceeded to go 5-13 and crap the bed in the BTT 

[Str8Hoosiers]

3 hours ago, Maedhros said:

We weren't expected to make the tournament? What fresh nonsense is this? We were picked third in the Big Ten preseason media poll. Both the AP preason poll and the preseason KenPom rankings had us at 28 nationally. National writers like Rob Dauster, Gary Parrish and Andy Katz all had us ranked in the 20's of their preseason rankings. Those are all the marks of a tournament worthy team, and one that would be favored to win a game. We finished the year at 52 in KenPom, and stopped receiving AP votes in January.

We weren't ranked preseason... we had votes in the others receiving so we can say we were 28th... at the end of the season we weren't ranked and had no votes, 36 teams had votes so at best we were #37.

Maybe it is revisionist but I definitely never remember us being picked 3rd in the Big Ten... 5 Big Ten teams were ranked in the preseason and we weren't but we were projected to be better than at least 2 of them?

So a few people thought we were tournament worthy preseason but not the majority or we wouldn't have been unranked.

In my opinion we ALWAYS should expect to make the tournament, and because of that I believe we missed expectations... however I don't believe Mack or Holtman had these wonderful seasons full of blowing out their expectations and don't think we "missed" by not hiring one of them.

We got off to a hot start in the season and many people CHANGED their expectations and then believed we failed by not making the tournament even though we weren't in good shape to do so beforehand. 

[Brass Cannon]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/24933783/big-ten-preseason-power-rankings

ESPN had us ranked 4th and I’m sure I can find others that had us at 3. 

[Brass Cannon]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.courier-journal.com/amp/1803803002

“A return to the NCAA Tournament isn’t just a possibility. It’s expected for the Hoosiers after consecutive seasons outside the Big Dance.”

 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Yep and regardless of preseason expectations we were 12-2 then proceeded to go 5-13 and crap the bed in the BTT 

And lots of injuries

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[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

And lots of injuries

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Eh we were successful without Hunter and Race so cant really pump those guys in. So we had a few key injuries. One of the reasons you should have more than one ball handler on roster a situation we really didn’t rectify. 

[mdn82]

Eh we were successful without Hunter and Race so cant really pump those guys in. So we had a few key injuries. One of the reasons you should have more than one ball handler on roster a situation we really didn’t rectify. 

Guessing we still see a lot of Green and Al as the secondary option. I imagine RP is going to pull 25-28 mpg. I too prefer another true ball handler amongst other things.

 

 

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[JSHoosier]

On 5/29/2019 at 9:47 PM, BtownBanner6 said:

Grimes would be nice to have, and we have the space to eat up a scholarship 

His 60% from the charity stripe would be a perfect fit.

[BtownBanner6]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

His 60% from the charity stripe would be a perfect fit.

Don’t sell him short, im sure a whole season with the staff can get him to 50 or lower before he’s able to play 

[BGleas]

Unpopular opinion, but the more I look at last season, and now what we’ve learned about Langford’s injury since the season ended, I’m chalking last season up to injuries. If even 1/3 of the injuries don’t happen, IU makes the tournament and Brooks probably even commits. 

But, the reality is that those injuries happened and we are where we are. So, now Archie has to try and overcome it. I really hope he can get this team to gel and overachieve, because I think he was really close to getting the momentum going if the injuries hadn’t been so bad. If he can find a way to get this team in the tourney, then I think he can get all this back on track and get IU back to contending regularly