College Bball Thread

[Stuhoo]

21 minutes ago, Demo said:

The replies hilariously make his point. I despise rankings. I prefer tiers and Painter is absolutely a top tier college coach.

 

True, but the question is "best" college coach yet to make a Final Four.

I could easily sell Mike Woodson as the best under that criteria; he just hasn't been in college very long and hasn't built up the "he's one of us" goodwill among his brethren.

Woody has outcoached Matt Painter in four out of four head-to-head matchups so far and was a wide-open Parker Stewart three pointer away from winning all four games.

 

[Demo]

9 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

True, but the question is "best" college coach yet to make a Final Four.

I could easily sell Mike Woodson as the best under that criteria; he just hasn't been in college very long and hasn't built up the "he's one of us" goodwill among his brethren.

Woody has outcoached Matt Painter in four out of four head-to-head matchups so far and was a wide-open Parker Stewart three pointer away from winning all four games.

 

Fair enough. But the guy just won the B1G and B1G tournament with Braden Smith and Fletcher Loyer. Very few guys pulling that one off.

[Stuhoo]

32 minutes ago, Demo said:

Fair enough. But the guy just won the B1G and B1G tournament with Braden Smith and Fletcher Loyer. Very few guys pulling that one off.

Also true and no doubt Painter is very good. But he did so with zero injuries and double plays against every one of the B1G’s bottom four.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Good discussion.  I hate that over the years I’ve come to realize Painter is a top tier coach.  If it wasn’t Purdue, I’d root for his teams every year.  The fact he does coach Purdue makes me root for his epic failure.  Unfortunately his recruiting has only been steadily improving over the years.  He also seems to have a knack recently of hitting on unheralded kids, mostly bigs but guards to some degree.  
 

Woodson beating him has been glorious and is one of the factors Woody can tuck in his back pocket for now. 
 

I am genuinely concerned Purdue is gonna be a legit contender this season but ultimately I still think guard play holds them back.  Colvin is way better than many realize. He probably should start over one of the guards ideally. Kaufman/Furst/Gillis are breakout stars possibly. And Edey is one of the most unguardable bigs in the country in years.  
 

All that said, I think we matchup pretty well against them if we turn it into a track meet. I’m obviously way higher on IU this season than the national guys assuming we stay healthy.  I just wanted us to add a sniper like Knecht or Cam Spencer or a do everything guard like Reeves. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Gavitt games may not be going away.

https://collegehoops.today/rothstein-files/big-east-and-big-ten-in-advanced-discussions-to-renew-gavitt-games-beyond-2023-24-season/

[Hovadipo]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

If it wasn’t Purdue, I’d root for his teams every year.

Half of the IU fanbase openly admits this and the other half believes it. Spot on. 

[J34]

6 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Also true and no doubt Painter is very good. But he did so with zero injuries and double plays against every one of the B1G’s bottom four.

And the player of the year

[Demo]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/candid-coaches-who-is-the-best-college-basketball-coach-yet-to-make-a-final-four/
 

This is the article this conversation evolved from. Interesting to chew on kind of the nature and value of fit a little bit. Love the respect Randy Bennett gets here. That dude is as good as it gets. But he is just not temperamentally suited to a fishbowl.  There’ve been so many great, great coaches who won big in tough gigs but lacked the ambition or ego or temperament to take on jobs at the highest level or maybe they just wouldn’t have won the press conference. Majerus, the great John Kresse(my all-time favorite college coach, hence always referred to as “the great”), Bob McKillop, John Becker, Stew Morrill. Every 1 of them and lots of others, are or were miles better than many, many Power Conference guys. Yet, Majerus is the only 1 who got a sniff. There’ve been so many who got no shot while the Mark Turgeons and Josh Pastners get years to display their mediocrity.  So, really, the whole question of who the best is in this sense is pretty silly since it sort of presupposes equality of opportunity that’s obviously not present. Painter deserves the credit he gets, but him not making a final 4 would be a far greater failing than Randy Bennett. Not sure I really have a point here. Just ruminating a bit.

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

 

[J34]

2 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

 

So much for cutting down on carbon emissions 

[sbhoosierfan]

2 hours ago, J34 said:

So much for cutting down on carbon emissions 

 

5 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

This is such a weird move. I feel bad for the non revenue sports more than Football/basketball. My understanding is that some Olympic sports that are not played in the ACC are obviously not moving. This expansion thing is getting crazy.

 

[Joe_hoopsier]

7 hours ago, J34 said:

So much for cutting down on carbon emissions 

6 horse power stage coach? that would cut it.

[HoosierHoopster]

On 8/31/2023 at 9:57 PM, Demo said:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/candid-coaches-who-is-the-best-college-basketball-coach-yet-to-make-a-final-four/
 

This is the article this conversation evolved from. Interesting to chew on kind of the nature and value of fit a little bit. Love the respect Randy Bennett gets here. That dude is as good as it gets. But he is just not temperamentally suited to a fishbowl.  There’ve been so many great, great coaches who won big in tough gigs but lacked the ambition or ego or temperament to take on jobs at the highest level or maybe they just wouldn’t have won the press conference. Majerus, the great John Kresse(my all-time favorite college coach, hence always referred to as “the great”), Bob McKillop, John Becker, Stew Morrill. Every 1 of them and lots of others, are or were miles better than many, many Power Conference guys. Yet, Majerus is the only 1 who got a sniff. There’ve been so many who got no shot while the Mark Turgeons and Josh Pastners get years to display their mediocrity.  So, really, the whole question of who the best is in this sense is pretty silly since it sort of presupposes equality of opportunity that’s obviously not present. Painter deserves the credit he gets, but him not making a final 4 would be a far greater failing than Randy Bennett. Not sure I really have a point here. Just ruminating a bit.

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Seconded, strongly.

Opportunity, fit, and success - and luck - in recruiting, all weigh in heavily in an individual coach’s successes, and how he (or she) is perceived.

For that matter, what the program and its fan base require/ impose is right in there. On the Painter discussion, would he have lasted at IU? He wins well and consistently in conference, no doubt he’s a good coach, on and off the floor, culture is good, and he’s consistently successful in recruiting players - bigs - who fit his system, but tourney level? Despite his strength in conference, just not so sure he would have lasted here.

[Demo]

UM isn’t accepting Stanford credits. This is actually about a football player, but when Howard leaves for the NBA after next year, this is what’s gonna do it.

[Demo]

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/concern-growing-regarding-zvonimir-ivisics-status-at-kentucky/
 

The 7 ft Croatian kid Cal recruited a couple of months back is being messed with by UK Admissions. He is currently not enrolled and not even in the country over an ENGLISH TEST. The clearest sign yet that the powers that be are done with Cal. 3 or 4 years ago would this have been any issue at all?

[Stuhoo]

20 minutes ago, Demo said:

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/concern-growing-regarding-zvonimir-ivisics-status-at-kentucky/
 

The 7 ft Croatian kid Cal recruited a couple of months back is being messed with by UK Admissions. He is currently not enrolled and not even in the country over an ENGLISH TEST. The clearest sign yet that the powers that be are done with Cal. 3 or 4 years ago would this have been any issue at all?

The best part of this article? This quote:

“Given the academic resources available to all students at the University of Kentucky — which had an acceptance rate of 95% during the 2022-23 academic year“

[Demo]

 

[LIHoosier]

41 minutes ago, Demo said:

https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/concern-growing-regarding-zvonimir-ivisics-status-at-kentucky/
 

The 7 ft Croatian kid Cal recruited a couple of months back is being messed with by UK Admissions. He is currently not enrolled and not even in the country over an ENGLISH TEST. The clearest sign yet that the powers that be are done with Cal. 3 or 4 years ago would this have been any issue at all?

The kid understands Croatian AND English. How many foreign languages does pUKe think this kid needs to know?

[monskisprodigy]

22 hours ago, LIHoosier said:

The kid understands Croatian AND English. How many foreign languages does pUKe think this kid needs to know?

The video in that article shows him clearly speaking, answering questions thoroughly and with ease. It is laughable they are keeping him out out of concern that he isn't proficient in English. Feel like there may be more to this story than English proficiency. 

I wish some of my classmates...native speakers included, would have spoken that clearly in college haha. 

 

[TheWatShot]

23 hours ago, LIHoosier said:

The kid understands Croatian AND English. How many foreign languages does pUKe think this kid needs to know?

Crazy they're making this kid jump through these hoops when they found a way to get Eric Bledsoe eligible. That dude talked like he had a mouth full of marbles, then you had his high school transcripts that mysteriously disappeared when his grades were called into question...good times.