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[yogisballin]

Mac McClung now 2-17 from the field and 8 points in the last 2 games.
 
 
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Never understood the hype


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[yogisballin]

Never understood the hype


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Yes, I know he was ranked in the mid 200’s as well. I’m talking about all the videos about the kid


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[LIHoosier]

8 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

We aren’t rivals with Duke. It’s boring to play them. Especially since they’ve just whooped us anytime they’ve played us. It would be neat to play Oregon, Arizona, UCLA, Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas, Kansas State, LSU, Florida etc. That change up is nice. But the last few years the schedule had been hella boring. It was basically Duke, Louisville, Butler/Notre Dame. Last year was nice to see Arkansas. This year is really nice because it is Arky, FSU and UConn.

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It also doesn't help that we need to have a bunch of home games to bring in some revenue in non-conference. IU hardly ever plays in any of the Thanksgiving tournaments either(Maui once every 5 years or so) which also limits the variety of Power 5 teams that they play. If IU played on the cruise ship tournament or in Vegas when there isn't a Gavitt game the schedule would be more interesting but then the high roller donors would complain of not having enough games at the S.S. Assembly to pump their chests out at.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Yes, I know he was ranked in the mid 200’s as well. I’m talking about all the videos about the kid


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Because he was a white kid dunking on people.


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[Walking Boot of Doom]

Disagree. I like the guaranteed ACC games and I’m glad we play Duke and UNC so frequently in it. Some of those UNC wins were my favorite games. We’ll love playing Duke when Archie has his team ready to compete.

[JHoosier914]

53 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Disagree. I like the guaranteed ACC games and I’m glad we play Duke and UNC so frequently in it. Some of those UNC wins were my favorite games. We’ll love playing Duke when Archie has his team ready to compete.

I agree with this.  The B1G/ACC Challenge almost always guarantees us a Quad 1/Quad 2 game, and the Gavitt Games (when we are in them) does so, usually, as well.  Not to make it a scheduling debate, but these two games along with ND/Butler and 1-2 other marquee matchups makes for a good start to the nonconference schedule.

[mdn82]

Woohoo got my Crossroad Classic tickets today. Anybody else do the presale?


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

I agree with this.  The B1G/ACC Challenge almost always guarantees us a Quad 1/Quad 2 game, and the Gavitt Games (when we are in them) does so, usually, as well.  Not to make it a scheduling debate, but these two games along with ND/Butler and 1-2 other marquee matchups makes for a good start to the nonconference schedule.

Playing Notre Dame and Butler does nothing for Indiana. It only helps Notre Dame and Butler. Indiana takes a loss in the whole thing. The years we’ve won, it’s ended up being against meh teams. The B1G/ACC Challenge might guarantee us a game but it’s a game we can easily replace and removing it gives us even more flexibility. The Gavitt Games is about the least exciting event we could do. Outside of Fox Sports no one really cares. It would be much better for the B1G to do short stints with multiple conferences but only 1 conference at a time. Which allows the Indiana, MSU, UM, OSU to go out and schedule multiple big games like teams do in football. Because in football teams don’t have that kind of thing holding them back. And teams hands are even more tied now with 20 conference games. Indiana in some years is tied up with Butler/ND, a BE team and an ACC team and then it’s cream puffs because there isn’t any wiggle room. Or we could have a schedule 2 big games and only have 1 predetermined game against a team ACC for 3 years then another team from a conference for 3 years. Obviously playing the PAC or Big 12 some teams would have to sit, but those are years where the team would have the availability for a tournament or another marquee game. We don’t have that now. We have no say in who we play for 2-3 games a year.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Now I know they aren’t getting rid of the ACC Challenge or the Gavitt Games. I don’t think Glass is smart enough to pull out of the Crossroads Classic. Just my opinion that more flexibility would be best for Indiana.


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[JHoosier914]

20 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Playing Notre Dame and Butler does nothing for Indiana. It only helps Notre Dame and Butler. Indiana takes a loss in the whole thing. The years we’ve won, it’s ended up being against meh teams. The B1G/ACC Challenge might guarantee us a game but it’s a game we can easily replace and removing it gives us even more flexibility. The Gavitt Games is about the least exciting event we could do. Outside of Fox Sports no one really cares. It would be much better for the B1G to do short stints with multiple conferences but only 1 conference at a time. Which allows the Indiana, MSU, UM, OSU to go out and schedule multiple big games like teams do in football. Because in football teams don’t have that kind of thing holding them back. And teams hands are even more tied now with 20 conference games. Indiana in some years is tied up with Butler/ND, a BE team and an ACC team and then it’s cream puffs because there isn’t any wiggle room. Or we could have a schedule 2 big games and only have 1 predetermined game against a team ACC for 3 years then another team from a conference for 3 years. Obviously playing the PAC or Big 12 some teams would have to sit, but those are years where the team would have the availability for a tournament or another marquee game. We don’t have that now. We have no say in who we play for 2-3 games a year.


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you're right, the Crossroads Classic does nothing for us...except:

When it started in 2011, we played ND, who finished 11th in Kenpom (we won)

In 2013 (again ND), they finished 36th in Kenpom (we lost)

In 2015 (ND), they finished 9th in Kenpom (we won)

In 2016 (Butler), they finished 30th in Kenpom (we lost)

In 2017 (ND), they finished 27th (we won)

In 2018 (Butler), they finished 20th ( we won)

The two outliers (2012 and 2014 -- both against butler) are the only time either of those two opponents finished outside of the top 40 in Kenpom, although Butler was ranked #23 when we played them in 2014 -- they faltered down the stretch.

Also, with the exception of those two years mentioned above ('12 and '14), EVERY YEAR Indiana's opponent in the Crossroards Classic has made the NCAA tournament.

Even if you disagree that Kenpom is necessarily the best ranking system in college basketball, to say that "playing Notre Dame or Butler does nothing for Indiana" is seemingly off base, IMHO.

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Woohoo got my Crossroad Classic tickets today. Anybody else do the presale?


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Cost? I’d really like to do this too. Deciding if I take my family that don’t care or just take the ones who do. Lol


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[mdn82]

you're right, the Crossroads Classic does nothing for us...except:
When it started in 2011, we played ND, who finished 11th in Kenpom (we won)
In 2013 (again ND), they finished 36th in Kenpom (we lost)
In 2015 (ND), they finished 9th in Kenpom (we won)
In 2016 (Butler), they finished 30th in Kenpom (we lost)
In 2017 (ND), they finished 27th (we won)
In 2018 (Butler), they finished 20th ( we won)
The two outliers (2012 and 2014 -- both against butler) are the only time either of those two opponents finished outside of the top 40 in Kenpom, although Butler was ranked #23 when we played them in 2014 -- they faltered down the stretch.
Also, with the exception of those two years mentioned above ('12 and '14), EVERY YEAR Indiana's opponent in the Crossroards Classic has made the NCAA tournament.
Even if you disagree that Kenpom is necessarily the best ranking system in college basketball, to say that "playing Notre Dame or Butler does nothing for Indiana" is seemingly off base, IMHO.
 

Yeah those facts sort of get in the way. But I always say it’s a great idea to have a random thought and put it out to the world. Yes do that before educating yourself, because chances are since it popped in your head it is the most glorious right thing ever. Totes


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[Crimson and Cream]

13 hours ago, LIHoosier said:

Evansville eeks by IU-Kokomo 89-71. They're #1, they're #1!

Apparently IUK has improved a lot since I left

[HoosierAloha]

you're right, the Crossroads Classic does nothing for us...except:
When it started in 2011, we played ND, who finished 11th in Kenpom (we won)
In 2013 (again ND), they finished 36th in Kenpom (we lost)
In 2015 (ND), they finished 9th in Kenpom (we won)
In 2016 (Butler), they finished 30th in Kenpom (we lost)
In 2017 (ND), they finished 27th (we won)
In 2018 (Butler), they finished 20th ( we won)
The two outliers (2012 and 2014 -- both against butler) are the only time either of those two opponents finished outside of the top 40 in Kenpom, although Butler was ranked #23 when we played them in 2014 -- they faltered down the stretch.
Also, with the exception of those two years mentioned above ('12 and '14), EVERY YEAR Indiana's opponent in the Crossroards Classic has made the NCAA tournament.
Even if you disagree that Kenpom is necessarily the best ranking system in college basketball, to say that "playing Notre Dame or Butler does nothing for Indiana" is seemingly off base, IMHO.
 

I don’t think the Crossroads Classic, Gavitt Tipoff (every other year), it the Big Ten/ACC Challenge is the issue. It’s other games in the noncon. We need a marquee home-home to alternate with the Big Ten/ACC Challenge. That would guarantee 3 top 50ish noncon opponents every season. One at home, one on the road, and one semi neutral site. The years we don’t play in the Gavitt Tipoff is like to see us schedule a solid high major opponent. This would be a bit difficult because the games would be every other year, for a two game contract it would be three years or five years for three games. It can be done though.

For the remainder of the 7 game noncon schedule, I’d like a few cupcakes to start the season, some decent mid majors, and then a few more cupcakes during the holidays.

Holidays tourneys are great and I’d love for IU to play in them. If we can’t find another series then we should be playing in these every other year.


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[mdn82]

Cost? I’d really like to do this too. Deciding if I take my family that don’t care or just take the ones who do. Lol


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It was $60 per for upper. The code is blfpre if there are any of those left. They didn’t put a ton out today. I would say maybe 500? They had multiple presales going on at the same time. But the prices did go up. I always paid $40 for upper level and like $80 I believe for lower level. I didn’t look for the price of lower to know if it went up to $120 or so.


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[mdn82]

I don’t think the Crossroads Classic, Gavitt Tipoff (every other year), it the Big Ten/ACC Challenge is the issue. It’s other games in the noncon. We need a marquee home-home to alternate with the Big Ten/ACC Challenge. That would guarantee 3 top 50ish noncon opponents every season. One at home, one on the road, and one semi neutral site. The years we don’t play in the Gavitt Tipoff is like to see us schedule a solid high major opponent. This would be a bit difficult because the games would be every other year, for a two game contract it would be three years or five years for three games. It can be done though.

For the remainder of the 7 game noncon schedule, I’d like a few cupcakes to start the season, some decent mid majors, and then a few more cupcakes during the holidays.

Holidays tourneys are great and I’d love for IU to play in them. If we can’t find another series then we should be playing in these every other year.


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I love holiday tourneys. But if we are selling recruits on history we have to find a way to make the Kentucky series work. Imo that is what is missing from the schedule. People that complain about the Crossroads Classic just don’t understand we have always played Notre Dame and Butler. Since 1950 we have played Notre Dame 61 times and Butler 29 times, which 10th and 13th in games played against in that time frame. Those games will always be on our schedule. But the Kentucky game really gives us something to point at from a historical perspective. Love them or hate them Kentucky is a big game. I hate them and it’s just an annual thing. We should have that on our schedule. IMO that is Fred Glass biggest fail as AD. He just can’t make it happen.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

you're right, the Crossroads Classic does nothing for us...except:
When it started in 2011, we played ND, who finished 11th in Kenpom (we won)
In 2013 (again ND), they finished 36th in Kenpom (we lost)
In 2015 (ND), they finished 9th in Kenpom (we won)
In 2016 (Butler), they finished 30th in Kenpom (we lost)
In 2017 (ND), they finished 27th (we won)
In 2018 (Butler), they finished 20th ( we won)
The two outliers (2012 and 2014 -- both against butler) are the only time either of those two opponents finished outside of the top 40 in Kenpom, although Butler was ranked #23 when we played them in 2014 -- they faltered down the stretch.
Also, with the exception of those two years mentioned above ('12 and '14), EVERY YEAR Indiana's opponent in the Crossroards Classic has made the NCAA tournament.
Even if you disagree that Kenpom is necessarily the best ranking system in college basketball, to say that "playing Notre Dame or Butler does nothing for Indiana" is seemingly off base, IMHO.
 

Oh yay Kenpom.

So 2011 we beat ND while we were ranked #18. ND ended up a 7 seed that year. So not a bad win.
2012 we lost to Butler while we were #1. That Butler team ended up being a 6 seed but a game that never should have been close against a mediocre team. A game like that does nothing but hurt Indiana.
2013 lost to ND. We sucked and they sucked as they finished the season 15-17(6-12) but apparently they were the #36 team in the nation right?
2014 we beat a Butler team that that ended up a 6 seed. So not a bad win but not a win that’s going to rock the world.
2015 we beat ND who ended up being a 6 seed so another Butler situation. Just an good win that doesn’t pop.
2016 lost to the best team we’ve played in the event which was a Butler team that went 25-9 on the year and was a 4 seed.
2017 we beat ND in that awesome finish while they were ranked 18th but they ended going to the NIT so the win didn’t mean much but they were the 27th best team in the nation right?
2018 we beat Butler with another awesome finish but that team ended up being bad and finishing 16-17(7-11) but they were the 20th best team in the nation right?


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[JHoosier914]

2 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Oh yay Kenpom.

So 2011 we beat ND while we were ranked #18. ND ended up a 7 seed that year. So not a bad win.
2012 we lost to Butler while we were #1. That Butler team ended up being a 6 seed but a game that never should have been close against a mediocre team. A game like that does nothing but hurt Indiana.
2013 lost to ND. We sucked and they sucked as they finished the season 15-17(6-12) but apparently they were the #36 team in the nation right?
2014 we beat a Butler team that that ended up a 6 seed. So not a bad win but not a win that’s going to rock the world.
2015 we beat ND who ended up being a 6 seed so another Butler situation. Just an good win that doesn’t pop.
2016 lost to the best team we’ve played in the event which was a Butler team that went 25-9 on the year and was a 4 seed.
2017 we beat ND in that awesome finish while they were ranked 18th but they ended going to the NIT so the win didn’t mean much but they were the 27th best team in the nation right?
2018 we beat Butler with another awesome finish but that team ended up being bad and finishing 16-17(7-11) but they were the 20th best team in the nation right?


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I will concede that Kenpom isn't the end all-be all in terms of ranking the quality of teams, but neither is team record when other factors aren't considered.  I simply used the easiest ranking system i could find for multiple years to combat a poorly thoughout out arguement that the classic does "nothing" for indiana.  It is consistently one of the better games on our schedule.

Should it be?  Now, THAT is debatable, and I would probably side with you that it SHOULDN"T be one of the better games on the schedule.  i would love for Indiana to schedule, at least, some tougher games.

[HoosierAloha]

Yeah those facts sort of get in the way. But I always say it’s a great idea to have a random thought and put it out to the world. Yes do that before educating yourself, because chances are since it popped in your head it is the most glorious right thing ever. Totes


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Man, I haven’t heard (read) totes for a hot minute. That made me laugh.


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[cthomas]

4 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

I love holiday tourneys. But if we are selling recruits on history we have to find a way to make the Kentucky series work. Imo that is what is missing from the schedule. People that complain about the Crossroads Classic just don’t understand we have always played Notre Dame and Butler. Since 1950 we have played Notre Dame 61 times and Butler 29 times, which 10th and 13th in games played against in that time frame. Those games will always be on our schedule. But the Kentucky game really gives us something to point at from a historical perspective. Love them or hate them Kentucky is a big game. I hate them and it’s just an annual thing. We should have that on our schedule. IMO that is Fred Glass biggest fail as AD. He just can’t make it happen.


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Would love to see the series start up again. Would also like it to be played on the respective campuses. I thought the offer of rotating home and neutral sites was fair and a good compromise to what Cal wanted. Call me stubborn and/or just plain dumb, but I'm not willing to completely capitulate to Calipari's wishes just because he had a bad experience in Bloomington.