Michigan Coach Dusty May to Dallas Mavs

[Pryght]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

When the IU job actually opened he was not going to leave UM after one year.

IMO, if IU had truly been his dream job, he would have left Michigan after one season, just like DeVries left West Virginia.

Goodman is an idiot, but in this case I think he's probably right. Dusty never seriously wanted the IU job because (1) he didn't want to coach in a fishbowl environment, and (2) he was concerned about how a potential failure at IU could affect family members who still live in Indiana. Those are reasonable concerns.

That said, circumstances have changed dramatically. He just won a national championship and is now headed to the NBA. Concerns about the IU fishbowl or the possibility of failing there are likely much less significant than they were a year ago.

If both DeVries and Dusty struggle over the next few years, and college basketball reaches a more stable place with NIL and roster management, I could easily see the stars aligning for Dusty to become IU's next coach.

From an IU perspective, yesterday felt like a win-win. Either DeVries succeeds and IU has its coach, or he doesn't and Dusty may eventually become a realistic option.

One other thing worth noting...over the last 30 years, only two coaches who left college basketball for NBA head coaching jobs have finished their NBA careers with winning records. The NBA is hardly a guaranteed path to long-term success.

[Stuhoo]

8 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I still think it’s personality driven. Scheyer and Hurley could have pro jobs and probably better ones than the Mavs. But they’re staying in college.  
 

You can count me as one who is a little surprised May jumped this early at that job. For all the talk of “Dream jobs,” the only thing we know for sure is Michigan wasn’t it for May. 

That's a really good point. Generally? The NBA is currently a more stable environment and has a longer downtime season than college. But each coach's professional and family situation is different.

I suspect that Cooper Flagg had a fair bit to do with Dusty's decision. A ten plus year run with a bonafide future top five player on the planet is pretty compelling.

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Pryght said:

IMO, if IU had truly been his dream job, he would have left Michigan after one season, just like DeVries left West Virginia.

Goodman is an idiot, but in this case I think he's probably right. Dusty never seriously wanted the IU job because (1) he didn't want to coach in a fishbowl environment, and (2) he was concerned about how a potential failure at IU could affect family members who still live in Indiana. Those are reasonable concerns.

That said, circumstances have changed dramatically. He just won a national championship and is now headed to the NBA. Concerns about the IU fishbowl or the possibility of failing there are likely much less significant than they were a year ago.

If both DeVries and Dusty struggle over the next few years, and college basketball reaches a more stable place with NIL and roster management, I could easily see the stars aligning for Dusty to become IU's next coach.

From an IU perspective, yesterday felt like a win-win. Either DeVries succeeds and IU has its coach, or he doesn't and Dusty may eventually become a realistic option.

One other thing worth noting...over the last 30 years, only two coaches who left college basketball for NBA head coaching jobs have finished their NBA careers with winning records. The NBA is hardly a guaranteed path to long-term success.

I don't think that IU was Dusty May's 'dream job' but I do think that the pull would have been strong and he would have been the IU Coach if the timing had been right.

[iu eyedoc]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Too angry a take for me. Sure, if Dusty wanted to be at IU he would have waited, but with no guarantee of Woodson's exit day. He was already done with FAU, the IU job was not open that year, and he got an offer that was about as good as it gets with UM. When the IU job actually opened he was not going to leave UM after one year.

Also, at the point the IU job actually opened up he already understood that the college game is a mess and the NBA is a world's better gig. 

This! If IU had opened up the same time as UM, dimes to dollars he takes the IU job. If laughable to suggest that any coach would pass up a top 20 program HC position, at the height of his career value at the time, to stay at a borderline top 100 program in hopes that a specific job opened up the following season and that he would be assured that position. And the squeaky clean IU thing...yeah,OK.

[iu eyedoc]

46 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I don't think that IU was Dusty May's 'dream job' but I do think that the pull would have been strong and he would have been the IU Coach if the timing had been right.

Probably was at one time, but he obviously began to dream bigger. I heard he wanted the Celtics job but had to settle for the Mavs, unless he wanted to stay at Michigan another year or two in hopes of a Joe Mazzula scandal. 

[Brass Cannon]

40 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

This! If IU had opened up the same time as UM, dimes to dollars he takes the IU job. If laughable to suggest that any coach would pass up a top 20 program HC position, at the height of his career value at the time, to stay at a borderline top 100 program in hopes that a specific job opened up the following season and that he would be assured that position. And the squeaky clean IU thing...yeah,OK.

This century Michigan is the better basketball program 

[Muskie plays the four]

Said it before and got roasted. Dusty's Greene county people really didn't want him at IU. We're very happy about Michigan. 

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, Muskie plays the four said:

Said it before and got roasted. Dusty's Greene county people really didn't want him at IU. We're very happy about Michigan. 

He won a natty there in just two seasons.  And if they are able to keep their roster, they are set up for a third solid season.

[mike vannice]

9 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

I think adding anyone from UM is a long shot. That said, if any of them have mutual interest, I'd think it would be Estrella since we were previously on him. 

Just saw on another site that Michigan paid  $ 3.5 million for Estrella so I doubt we can afford him. Would be the missing piece if we could.

[AH1971]

15 hours ago, Muskie plays the four said:

Said it before and got roasted. Dusty's Greene county people really didn't want him at IU. We're very happy about Michigan. 

Brad Steven, Billy Donovan, Bruce Pearl, Dusty May…Never forget that IU is still batting 1.000 on white whales who would have come to Indiana if only the timing was right.

[Stuhoo]

56 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Brad Steven, Billy Donovan, Bruce Pearl, Dusty May…Never forget that IU is still batting 1.000 on white whales who would have come to Indiana if only the timing was right.

 

True! Timing is everything. Thank goodness Indiana University hit the timing exactly right on a multiple generationally great coaches:

1. Bob Knight, the single best tactician and motivator in colege basketball history,
2. Curt Cignetti, the leader of the single most improbable and dominant season in college football history,
3. Doc Counsilman,the greatest coach in college swimming history, and
4. Jerry Yeagley the greatest coach in college soccer history

All Hall of Famers - all extraordinary.

Kudos to @AH1971 for the reminder that Indiana University and its extraordinary fanbase have the greatest record of timing and coaches of ANY university. Your infectious optimism has reminded all of us that we have so much to be grateful for, and that the current era is a big part of that success!!

 

[AH1971]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

True! Timing is everything. Thank goodness Indiana University hit the timing exactly right on a multiple generationally great coaches:

1. Bob Knight, the single best tactician and motivator in colege basketball history,
2. Curt Cignetti, the leader of the single most improbable and dominant season in college football history,
3. Doc Counsilman,the greatest coach in college swimming history, and
4. Jerry Yeagley the greatest coach in college soccer history

All Hall of Famers - all extraordinary.

Kudos to @AH1971 for the reminder that Indiana University and its extraordinary fanbase have the greatest record of timing and coaches of ANY university. Your infectious optimism has reminded all of us that we have so much to be grateful for, and that the current era is a big part of that success!!

 

*Became or on their way to becoming generationally great coaches, you're missing the trees through the forest here, Stu.

Any and every time the basketball job is open, the fanbase acts entitled to hiring an already generationally great coach which further drives the disconnect with reality.  

Bob Knight wasn't Bob Knight when IU hired him. Me thinks the fanbase would throw a huge tantrum if IU went out and hired the Bob Knight IU hired in 1972. And that's my point.

[Artie86]

18 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

I don't think that IU was Dusty May's 'dream job' but I do think that the pull would have been strong and he would have been the IU Coach if the timing had been right.

I think IU’s best opportunity to land Coach May was when he was at Florida Atlantic. That’s when IU decided or (a Quinn Buckner led Board of Trustees) pushed to give Woodson one more year to prove himself….lol

I’m sure Dusty was full aware of the Woodson’s hot seat, angry IU fans and the pressure of stepping into that position at that time. The timing could not have been worse! 
I’m sure he felt going to Michigan was a chance to prove himself at his first Power 4 school without all the possible pressures that could follow him all with his Indiana/IU connections. 
IMO, this quote from an Ann Arbor newspaper summed up his decision NOT to come to IU after Woodson was let go…..

 And it was really, really tough to leave FAU. And when you start to plant roots and develop relationships, it's difficult and daunting to think about going and restarting that again. And so I just felt like right now, this stage, this place really, really fits me, us and we love to be at Michigan."

[Pagoda]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

*Became or on their way to becoming generationally great coaches, you're missing the trees through the forest here, Stu.

Any and every time the basketball job is open, the fanbase acts entitled to hiring an already generationally great coach which further drives the disconnect with reality.  

Bob Knight wasn't Bob Knight when IU hired him. Me thinks the fanbase would throw a huge tantrum if IU went out and hired the Bob Knight that IU hired in 1972. And that's my point.

No.  The fanbase would give RMK a shot.  And it would work out because RMK is, in fact, a great coach.

Ironically, you've got the biggest disconnect with reality.

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

No.  The fanbase would give RMK a shot.  And it would work out because RMK is, in fact, a great coach.

Ironically, you've got the biggest disconnect with reality.

The fanbase that convinced themselves they were hiring Brad Stevens the last two cycles would **** a brick if IU hired a basketball coach from a service academy in 2026. This board made it exactly 2 months into DeVries tenure until a termination thread was created.

[Pagoda]

10 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

The fanbase that convinced themselves they were hiring Brad Stevens the last two cycles would **** a brick if IU hired a basketball coach from a service academy in 2026. This board made it exactly 2 months into DeVries tenure until a termination thread was created.

The majority of the fanbase didn't think we were getting Brad.

IU fans were baffled with the Woody hire -- a failed NBA head coach with no college experience.  But they gave him a chance.  There was no backlash that stopped the hire like Tennessee fans did with Schiano.  And Woody did a terrible job and it was 100% his fault he got fired.

One fan out of a few million fans started a thread on a message board -- completely meaningless read of the fanbase.

As I said, you've got the disconnect with reality.

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

The majority of the fanbase didn't think we were getting Brad.

IU fans were baffled with the Woody hire -- a failed NBA head coach with no college experience.  But they gave him a chance.  There was no backlash that stopped the hire like Tennessee fans did with Schiano.  And Woody did a terrible job and it was 100% his fault he got fired.

One fan out of a few million fans started a thread on a message board -- completely meaningless read of the fanbase.

As I said, you're disconnected with reality.

Did they give him a chance? He went to the tournament each of his first two seasons, finished 2nd in the B10 (sweeping the eventual champions and rival Purdue with the NPOY) and y'all wanted him gone less than 6 months later. No, Woodson wasn't given a chance. He wasn't Brad Stevens and that was all that was needed.

And I'm disconnected with reality? Super rich. 

[IUHoosierJoe]

9 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

This board made it exactly 2 months into DeVries tenure until a termination thread was created.

And you made it until 6 months before ever seeing them play for your 67 zillion posts (all saying the same thing) criticizing next season’s roster. So, do you just switch back and forth between crowds depending on whatever you want to argue about?

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

And you made it until 6 months before ever seeing them play for your 67 zillion posts (all saying the same thing) criticizing next season’s roster. So, do you just switch back and forth between crowds depending on whatever you want to argue about?

Next years roster has quite a bit of talent. Next years roster is also poorly constructed with very little depth. What is controversial about that, especially since it's true?

[Pagoda]

Just now, AH1971 said:

Did they give him a chance? He went to the tournament each of his first two seasons, finished 2nd in the B10 (sweeping the eventual champions and rival Purdue with the NPOY) and y'all wanted him gone less than 6 months later. No, Woodson wasn't given a chance. He wasn't Brad Stevens and that was all that was needed.

And I'm disconnected with reality? Super rich. 

Season three finished #98 in the NET.  Season four had top-5 roster money -- he still collapsed early on and missed the tournament again.  He was given a chance.  He was a terrible coach.  Even worse his effort level was very poor.

Yea, you are disconnected.  Sorry.