How is Darian DeVries Doing So Far?

[AH1971]

Just be glad we didn’t hire Ben McCollum.

[Asha’man]

11 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Just be glad we didn’t hire Ben McCollum.

Good coach but I agree. Was not the style I wanted to see at IU. I think both schools should be happy with their new hires at this point. 

[Stuhoo]

36 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Just be glad we didn’t hire Ben McCollum.

I am glad we didn’t hire McCollum, but it’s not really a knock on McCollum.

McCollum is good and doing well, but I prefer Darian Devries.

[AH1971]

15 minutes ago, Asha’man said:

Good coach but I agree. Was not the style I wanted to see at IU. I think both schools should be happy with their new hires at this point. 

He is a good coach all things considered. His gimmick isn’t going to work in the B10. He’s going to be in a world of hurt next year without Stirtz. He’s a wannabe Bo Ryan on his best day and it ain’t 2014 anymore.

[Asha’man]

18 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

He is a good coach all things considered. His gimmick isn’t going to work in the B10. He’s going to be in a world of hurt next year without Stirtz. He’s a wannabe Bo Ryan on his best day and it ain’t 2014 anymore.

I think he will be good enough to be middle of the pack in the conference in some years. Their NIL is not good, unless they have upgraded recently. 

[str8baller]

1 hour ago, HoosierMatty said:

One thing I really have to tip my hat to on coach DeVries is the fact he's willing to make changes as the season goes on. And in the instance with Alexis he's transparent about making a mistake. When was the last time you can remember a coach at IU make changes as the year goes on. They would just keep running the same stuff that doesn't work into the ground .

 

Even in the recent press conference when talking about bringing back Connerway he said he's going to basically keep Dorn in the starting lineup and just work Tayton in where it makes sense.

I know this seems like a low bar but it's just a nice change of pace after all the stubborn coaches we've had.

If Woodson was the coach he would have immediately put him back in the starting line up. 

This isn’t really true. Just last year Woody inserted Goode in the starting lineup to end the year and went 5-2 to finish and to the point most people had us in the tourney. 
 

With that said, I do appreciate CDD’s comments on Conerway, since I have been calling for him to be benched since at least Iowa. It’s annoying it took an injury to get to that point but I agree he’s taken the opportunity to rectify the situation only playing him 4 minutes the last game. What I worry about is that we’re going to get killed the next two games on the road no matter who plays, so he takes that opportunity to reinsert Conerway into a heavier min rotation when it is clear that we’re at our best when Enright is getting 30+ mpg as our primary ball handler. 

[HoosierHoopster]

13 hours ago, str8baller said:

This isn’t really true. Just last year Woody inserted Goode in the starting lineup to end the year and went 5-2 to finish and to the point most people had us in the tourney. 
 

With that said, I do appreciate CDD’s comments on Conerway, since I have been calling for him to be benched since at least Iowa. It’s annoying it took an injury to get to that point but I agree he’s taken the opportunity to rectify the situation only playing him 4 minutes the last game. What I worry about is that we’re going to get killed the next two games on the road no matter who plays, so he takes that opportunity to reinsert Conerway into a heavier min rotation when it is clear that we’re at our best when Enright is getting 30+ mpg as our primary ball handler. 

it's definitely true. One change doesn't reflect what he did over 4 years at all. He stuck with his starters no matter what, insert Race immediately as soon as he could walk on the floor no matter that he was clearly still injured and played terrible, etc. etc. Woody's stubbornness was on full display for 4 years and lineups were certainly a part of it. Thank God he's gone, worst coach I've watched in the B1G and he was ours for 4 years. Purgatory.

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

it's definitely true. One change doesn't reflect what he did over 4 years at all. He stuck with his starters no matter what, insert Race immediately as soon as he could walk on the floor no matter that he was clearly still injured and played terrible, etc. etc. Woody's stubbornness was on full display for 4 years and lineups were certainly a part of it. Thank God he's gone, worst coach I've watched in the B1G and he was ours for 4 years. Purgatory.

Woody was without a doubt one of the worst hires ever   If you had polled the other P4 schools and asked if they would have interviewed him for an assistant spot I doubt you would have found anybody to say yes.  But we handed him the HC spot. 
 

Coaches are like recruits if nobody else wants them it’s probably a sign.  
 

QB danced on the court after going undefeated.  And he danced on IU basketballs grave when he hired Woody. 

[iu eyedoc]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

it's definitely true. One change doesn't reflect what he did over 4 years at all. He stuck with his starters no matter what, insert Race immediately as soon as he could walk on the floor no matter that he was clearly still injured and played terrible, etc. etc. Woody's stubbornness was on full display for 4 years and lineups were certainly a part of it. Thank God he's gone, worst coach I've watched in the B1G and he was ours for 4 years. Purgatory.

True, stubborn as an egotistical billy goat and in 4 years he never stopped trying to and never got over that damn hump.

Hump 1

Woodson 0

Or is that

Hump 4

Woodson 0

The hump was like a highway mirage  and Woodrow was thiiiirsty.

 

[str8baller]

3 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

worst coach I've watched in the B1G

Seems like Hyperbole. I’m no Woody fan but I’d take him over Archie any day.  Archie was a better hire on paper by a mile but is an awful coach. O fer against Purdue is ridiculous. 

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

Seems like Hyperbole. I’m no Woody fan but I’d take him over Archie any day.  Archie was a better hire on paper by a mile but is an awful coach. O fer against Purdue is ridiculous. 

If he hadn’t gotten Trayce Jackson Davis woody would have been even worse 

[Uspshoosier]

5 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Thank God he's gone, worst coach I've watched in the B1G and he was ours for 4 years. Purgatory

Did you watch Eddie Jordan at Rutgers?  Definitely worse in my opinion but yeah hiring a coach with 0 college basketball coaching experience was always going to end badly and for a proud program to have to back to back hires of Miller and Woody was definitely purgatory.   Basically told the whole college basketball world they were not serious hiring Woody after the failure of the Miller tenure.    Come only go up from here are at least you hope after the last 8 years 

[HoosierMatty]

22 hours ago, str8baller said:

This isn’t really true. Just last year Woody inserted Goode in the starting lineup to end the year and went 5-2 to finish and to the point most people had us in the tourney. 
 

With that said, I do appreciate CDD’s comments on Conerway, since I have been calling for him to be benched since at least Iowa. It’s annoying it took an injury to get to that point but I agree he’s taken the opportunity to rectify the situation only playing him 4 minutes the last game. What I worry about is that we’re going to get killed the next two games on the road no matter who plays, so he takes that opportunity to reinsert Conerway into a heavier min rotation when it is clear that we’re at our best when Enright is getting 30+ mpg as our primary ball handler. 

To be honest I forgot about Goode, but my general point still stands. How many years did we hear about how we would start shooting more 3's and get more shooters. DeVries hasn't just moved people around he's been running different things over the course of season. Ultimately time will tell if things work out. But I like what I've seen so far. Right now we are just limited by our personal.

[HoosierHoopster]

3 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Did you watch Eddie Jordan at Rutgers?  Definitely worse in my opinion but yeah hiring a coach with 0 college basketball coaching experience was always going to end badly and for a proud program to have to back to back hires of Miller and Woody was definitely purgatory.   Basically told the whole college basketball world they were not serious hiring Woody after the failure of the Miller tenure.    Come only go up from here are at least you hope after the last 8 years 

A race to the bottom between Woody and Jordan would be a neck and neck race, but it wouldn’t be hard fought, it’d be a battle of who could put less effort into it….

[Stuhoo]

8 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

A race to the bottom between Woody and Jordan would be a neck and neck race, but it wouldn’t be hard fought, it’d be a battle of who could put less effort into it….

IMO Archie had a better hire resume than Woody, but Woody, as soul sucking as he was, had a ‘better’ tenure as IU coach over Archie. Archie was incomparably bad.

[Ryno6284]

I truly believe CDD didn't know what the B1G was when he built this team! I bet this team would be doing pretty well this year if it was at West Virginia. I bet he rectifies that this off-season with roster construction. If not, then I will be concerned. 

[str8baller]

49 minutes ago, HoosierMatty said:

How many years did we hear about how we would start shooting more 3's and get more shooters.

He leaned into that narrative hard after year 3 when he knew his job was in jeopardy. But some of us called it out on this board as soon as he got Ballo and brought Reneau back; he was never serious about going 4 perimeters until way too late. I always wondered if he simply didn’t know how to get more shooters on the floor (unlikely as we saw with the Goode move) or he just got cold feet that summer and said “screw it, I’m going out with what I’m comfortable with.”   
 

I like what CDD has done to get the season turned around. Alexis over Bailey seems kind of like a no-brainer, though. 

[Uspshoosier]

37 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

IMO Archie had a better hire resume than Woody, but Woody, as soul sucking as he was, had a ‘better’ tenure as IU coach over Archie. Archie was incomparably bad.

It was closer than you would think.   Archie not beating Purdue gives the edge to Woody probably but we are comparing bad on bad.  I’ve compared them before but the incomplete season where Archie’s team didn’t get a chance to finish the BTT and get a chance to compete  in the NCAA which they earned to right to do makes the comparison an incomplete. Who knows what would happen. In his last year he had to coach in empty arenas.  No home court advantage.   He sucked as coach but it’s stinks it happened.

Archie’s 4 years

1.  No where near making it

2.  2nd team out 

3. would of comfortably made it

4.  No where near making it 

Woodys 4 years 

1. 2nd to last team in 

2.  Comfortably in 

3.   No where near making it

4    2nd team out 

 

[Stuhoo]

21 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

It was closer than you would think.   Archie not beating Purdue gives the edge to Woody probably but we are comparing bad on bad.  I’ve compared them before but the incomplete season where Archie’s team didn’t get a chance to finish the BTT and get a chance to compete  in the NCAA which they earned to right to do makes the comparison an incomplete. Who knows what would happen. In his last year he had to coach in empty arenas.  No home court advantage.   He sucked as coach but it’s stinks it happened.

Archie’s 4 years

1.  No where near making it

2.  2nd team out 

3. would of comfortably made it

4.  No where near making it 

Woodys 4 years 

1. 2nd to last team in 

2.  Comfortably in 

3.   No where near making it

4    2nd team out 

 

Also to Woody's advantage; the year we were comfortably in with him we were a five seed and the year we were comfortably in with Archie we would have been about a nine seed. And because it was the Covid year, Archie quite literally never coached in an NCAA game at IU. Woody had four, going 2-2. (suck it, Wyoming and Kent State!)

Finally, Woody actually had an above .500 conference record at IU, whereas Archie was 33-44 and got worse every single year. Take that, those that think TJD should have helped Archie succeed.

Btw, while not in the Big Ten, all bad P5 coaches pale in comparison to the GOAT of bad big program coaches, Kenny Payne!

[Pagoda]

There are also era differences.  Archie could never buy players.  Imagine Woody without NIL and he has to recruit pre-NIL style.  Holy crap I can’t imagine how bad we would have been.

And if Woody doesn’t inherit TJD… his first year probably looks more like his actual third year.

But, at end of the day they both stink so whoever someone thinks is worse I won’t argue much.