IUBB at Michigan State - Tuesday, 01.13.26 @ 7:00 on NBCSN/Peacock

[TadQueasy]

The real question is has Scotty fired off any emails yet? 

[AZ Hoosier]

35 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I was one of the biggest Woodson haters, but I can’t find it in myself to become a Devries hater. What’s the point? The Devries hire showed that no one was coming to save iubb. If we fire him after a few years, recent history shows the next coach won’t be much better. I watch a game like tonight’s second half and just come away thinking yup, that’s IU basketball. The iubb fanbase gets a lot of flack, but apathy is 100x worse than misdirected passion. Apathy is right where the fanbase is going. 

I gotta admit, I'm pretty close. The apathy thing is real. Thankfully we have the glorious diversion that is Indiana Football, but every time I watch an IU basketball game, I feel like Charlie Brown approaching the football that Lucy is holding. And like Charlie Brown, every time I get to the ball, Lucy has pulled it away.

Life is too short to watch bad basketball.

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

12 minutes ago, Josh said:

What??  No!!

Don't lose faith just because the IU management team made terrible hire after terrible hire.  Don't let the Sunshine Pumpers convince you that every hire is fantastic just to see the truth.

Devries was a terrible hire.  I have no idea what made Dolson think he would be good. Same for 4 years of Woodson.  Dude just doesn't understand successful basketball.

But you need to understand that Dolson just made a terrible choice.  There is a positive outcome out there, we just can't trust Dolson to do it.  We can easily get the right guy.  We have the resources, the funding, the fanbase to return quickly.  We just need to pick the right person to react quickly and make it happen.  Dolson ain't that guy, but I have faith the donor money will help

Meh.  Before football was #1 priority, maybe.  Now we are spread thin.  After giving Cignetti 8 million in raises and staff 3-4 million in raises, and a dedication to NIL for football.

Our roster cost us more than Vanderbilt.  Than Virginia. Than X,Y,Z.  
 

I want top 10 Nil for sports because the job becomes much easier.  
 

Truth is, we had top 25 Nil this season probably 15-25 and misspent.  Coach has to accept that.  Plus he had his son who shouldn’t even really need a large Nil so he should be on a discount.  
 

The pieces don’t match the cost.  And that’s entirely on the coach.  
 

ps- I realize now I’m just babbling. Much of this doesn’t pertain to your post.  Excuse me.  
 

I guess my point is, we alotted what we were comfortable with.  And it didn’t work. Gross misjudgment on all accounts. 

Edited January 14 by WayneFleekHoosier

[Josh]

10 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Meh.  Before football was #1 priority, maybe.  Now we are spread thin.  After giving Cignetti 8 million in raises and staff 3-4 million in raises, and a dedication to NIL for football.

Our roster cost us more than Vanderbilt.  Than Virginia. Than X,Y,Z.  
 

I want top 10 Nil for sports because the job becomes much easier.  
 

Truth is, we had top 25 Nil this season probably 15-25 and misspent.  Coach has to accept that.  Plus he had his son who shouldn’t even really need a large Nil so he should be on a discount.  
 

The pieces don’t match the cost.  And that’s entirely on the coach.  
 

ps- I realize now I’m just babbling. Much of this doesn’t pertain to your post.  Excuse me.  
 

I guess my point is, we alotted what we were comfortable with.  And it didn’t work. Gross misjudgment on all accounts. 

Oh I agree with all this.  Devries was a terrible hire and the pumpers who called us names are the same ones who said the same **** with Archie.  Don't trust them!

But if...if we do ever make a serious hire, we can resurrect quickly.  This is where I think we differ.  The resources are there.  The capacity is there.  Unite the pumpers who think every hire is fantastic with the realists who want an actual good coach and watch the secret sauce gel.  Watch how quickly it happens.

But it doesn't happen under this regime.  Clean house and try again.

[Pagoda]

5 minutes ago, Josh said:

We can easily get the right guy.  We have the resources, the funding, the fanbase to return quickly.  

This is some interesting sunshine pumping.

Our resources are probably #15 in the country, but really a lot of programs are within a competitive range.  Fanbase is big, but dormant.  We’ve struggled for 30 years with endless bad hires and poor results.  Coaches are not lining up to come here.

Unfortunately, whatever the fix is, it is not an easy one.  

[realTomCrean]

4 minutes ago, Josh said:

Oh I agree with all this.  Devries was a terrible hire and the pumpers who called us names are the same ones who said the same **** with Archie.  Don't trust them!

But if...if we do ever make a serious hire, we can resurrect quickly.  This is where I think we differ.  The resources are there.  The capacity is there.  Unite the pumpers who think every hire is fantastic with the realists who want an actual good coach and watch the secret sauce gel.  Watch how quickly it happens.

But it doesn't happen under this regime.  Clean house and try again.

I am with you here. Most are with you actually, look at the attendance of home games. We’re halfway through January and have been above 50% attendance once maybe. Now, keep Dolson at all costs even though he only picks duds for IUBB because if he goes Cig is less enticed to stay. Cig is priority #1,2, & 3 until he retires. There is only one hope and that is Dusty May is disgruntled with the Athletic Dept. Investigations/conduct at UM & Devries wants to go coach his son in Serbia/Czechoslovakia 

I really feel awful for Hoosier diehards 65+ who have not a ton of time left to see a good IU team. Not even a national champ, but just a team good enough to be in the conversation. We haven’t had that since Yogi Ferrell 

[Pagoda]

Yea.  Honestly I don’t think we’ve consistently been in the national conversation since the early ‘90’s.

Since then it’s just been ‘02 and ‘12-13 on the court.  We weren’t really a threat in ‘16.  We did get into the national spotlight with RMK’s exit, Kelvin’s fall, and all our coach search processes though!

[Golfman25]

20 minutes ago, Josh said:

Oh I agree with all this.  Devries was a terrible hire and the pumpers who called us names are the same ones who said the same **** with Archie.  Don't trust them!

But if...if we do ever make a serious hire, we can resurrect quickly.  This is where I think we differ.  The resources are there.  The capacity is there.  Unite the pumpers who think every hire is fantastic with the realists who want an actual good coach and watch the secret sauce gel.  Watch how quickly it happens.

But it doesn't happen under this regime.  Clean house and try again.

Unfortunately, you're wrong to think we can just snap our fingers and get a good hire.  IU isn't a destination any longer.  We need a guy who has coaching chops that can turn addition into multiplication.  Jury is definitely out on DeVries.   

[TheWatShot]

16 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

I really feel awful for Hoosier diehards 65+ who have not a ton of time left to see a good IU team. Not even a national champ, but just a team good enough to be in the conversation. We haven’t had that since Yogi Ferrell 

At least they got to see multiple national titles. My generation has seen nothing but one coaching crash-out after another. 

[realTomCrean]

1 minute ago, TheWatShot said:

At least they got to see multiple national titles. My generation has seen nothing but one coaching crash-out after another. 

I’m 30. My fondest memory is Crean giving Calipari finger guns in the R32 lol

[realTomCrean]

[Pagoda]

2 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

I’m 30. My fondest memory is Crean giving Calipari finger guns in the R32 lol

So good.

[J34]

19 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

I am with you here. Most are with you actually, look at the attendance of home games. We’re halfway through January and have been above 50% attendance once maybe. Now, keep Dolson at all costs even though he only picks duds for IUBB because if he goes Cig is less enticed to stay. Cig is priority #1,2, & 3 until he retires. There is only one hope and that is Dusty May is disgruntled with the Athletic Dept. Investigations/conduct at UM & Devries wants to go coach his son in Serbia/Czechoslovakia 

I really feel awful for Hoosier diehards 65+ who have not a ton of time left to see a good IU team. Not even a national champ, but just a team good enough to be in the conversation. We haven’t had that since Yogi Ferrell 

Don't feel sorry for us older guys/girls. Not in the over 65 crowd yet, but we've had the privilege to see many Good/Great IU teams. Feel sorry for the younger generation, who has seen maybe a few good IU teams.

[TheWatShot]

1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

So good.

Highly under-appreciated IU team, IMO. Probably wasn't a serious threat to win it all, but had a ton of fun moments and could score with the best of them. It kind of irritates me when people gloss over that season with comments like "wE HaVEn't BeEn GooD sIncE 2013!!!" 

[Magnanimous]

4 minutes ago, J34 said:

Don't feel sorry for us older guys/girls. Not in the over 65 crowd yet, but we've had the privilege to see many Good/Great IU teams. Feel sorry for the younger generation, who has seen maybe a few good IU teams.

I became an IU fan in 2007, my freshman year. I’ve now seen IUFB make a national championship before IUBB make an Elite 8…

[str8baller]

2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Highly under-appreciated IU team, IMO. Probably wasn't a serious threat to win it all, but had a ton of fun moments and could score with the best of them. It kind of irritates me when people gloss over that season with comments like "wE HaVEn't BeEn GooD sIncE 2013!!!" 

Team was highly flawed just like Woodys teams. Matchups in the tourney and a weak big ten got it where it was going. It wasn’t a threat in any way to win it all and was terrible in the non conference part of the schedule. It’s why they were a 5 seed. 
 

Im sorry for the younger fans but Crean was bad even though he’s apparently the high water mark of the last quarter-century. 

[Pagoda]

4 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Highly under-appreciated IU team, IMO. Probably wasn't a serious threat to win it all, but had a ton of fun moments and could score with the best of them. It kind of irritates me when people gloss over that season with comments like "wE HaVEn't BeEn GooD sIncE 2013!!!" 

Ha, in that case I am the irritating person.  They were a 5 seed and I kinda discount them.

But yes, fun and could score for sure.  Our last fun season.

[Muskie plays the four]

Let's just get KathyC and Yeagley in here and light this candle. Pitchforks and torches run him down the Monon line. We could have a couple hundred pages by Friday. 

[OliviaPope40]

4 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Im thinking Coogan in the post. :)

I wouldn't mind watching Fernando with the ball. Might be taking the tickets from the doctor at work. 

[Mopladysman]

3 hours ago, Muskie plays the four said:

Let's just get KathyC and Yeagley in here and light this candle. Pitchforks and torches run him down the Monon line. We could have a couple hundred pages by Friday. 

That’s not how it works - KathyC