IUBB @ Nebraska - Friday, 12.13.24 @ 8:00 ET on Fox TV

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I hate Mike Woodson. 

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Woodson utilizes Ballo like he’s TJD and Ware. Obviously he’s neither of those players but Sleepy Mike hasn’t figured that out yet. 

Yeah, he has him leaving his man for the block under rim like TJD and Ware and we give up about 4 dump off dunks a game because of it. Very rarely works.


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17 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

100% agree we need a change.  But we’ve hired idiots. That’s why we haven’t succeeded.  

 No, it’s much deeper than that. It’ll be another 20 years before we’re good again. 1 bad hire after another that the IU job is no where near desirable anymore. We better get used to being a bottom feeder for at least next 10 years if we don’t do something like now. It’ll be the tell all honestly

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3 minutes ago, yogisballin said:

 No, it’s much deeper than that. It’ll be another 20 years before we’re good again. 1 bad hire after another that the IU job is no where near desirable anymore. We better get used to being a bottom feeder for at least next 10 years if we don’t do something like now. It’ll be the tell all honestly

This isn’t 20 years ago.  If you can turn a football program around in a year you can turn a basketball team around also. 

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1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

This isn’t 20 years ago.  If you can turn a football program around in a year you can turn a basketball team around also. 

Which is why it is painful that we linger around with the wrong guy.

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17 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I wanted Dolson fired last spring. Cignetti's success has changed my mind. For now.

I am still of the opinion that Dolson didn't want Woodson but had no choice and even if he wanted him fired, there are people on the board protecting Woodson.

IU doesn't really want an AD.  They just want a figurehead to absorb blame.

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3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

This isn’t 20 years ago.  If you can turn a football program around in a year you can turn a basketball team around also. 

110%

It's pretty simple... Football is what, 105 scholarship guys? Basketball is 15? 

And you're only playing a portion of those guys in both sports. 

Just on sheer numbers... all it takes is the right coach who can bring in the right players and you can compete year 1. 

Look at Kentucky. Michigan. etc...

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16 minutes ago, JF87 said:

We had 9 guys play and 8 of them looking to score.  Play your 5 best defensive players and cut the rotation down to 7 players. Build the team's identity around defense first.  Right now, I have no idea what our identity is.  It seems we just play up tempo and jack up shots.  

The five best individual players still aren't being coached to properly switch or get around screens.

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Just now, Home Jersey said:

110%

It's pretty simple... Football is what, 105 scholarship guys? Basketball is 15? 

And you're only playing a portion of those guys in both sports. 

Just on sheer numbers... all it takes is the right coach who can bring in the right players and you can compete year 1. 

Look at Kentucky. Michigan. etc...

You forgot Louisville, entire new roster, new coach. Talk about a young team beating the brakes off the six million dollar man LOL

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17 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Fair but it recently became public that Woodson wasn’t a Dolson hire 

I had always assumed that.  We all know that the man hiring Woodson was Buckner.  

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3 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I am still of the opinion that Dolson didn't want Woodson but had no choice and even if he wanted him fired, there are people on the board protecting Woodson.

IU doesn't really want an AD.  They just want a figurehead to absorb blame.

*Paging K(C)athy*

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Why did Mgbako only play 13 minutes?

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4 minutes ago, Five Prime said:

Why did Mgbako only play 13 minutes?

Because Mike Woodson said that’s what Mike Woodson thought was best! 

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33 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I am still of the opinion that Dolson didn't want Woodson but had no choice and even if he wanted him fired, there are people on the board protecting Woodson.

IU doesn't really want an AD.  They just want a figurehead to absorb blame.

The AD, if real, still comes forward and has his voice heard.  If overruled the fans still know where he was.  Dolson must be fired.

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2 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

The AD, if real, still comes forward and has his voice heard.  If overruled the fans still know where he was.  Dolson must be fired.

Fire Dolson because he was overruled on the Woodson hire? He hired Cignetti who made IU football great and has put us on the map where it really counts money wise. Football brings in way more revenue than basketball. If Cignetti continues to do well the Woodson mistake will be miniscule financially in comparison to what the football program will bring to the table. Buckner's tenure is over in 2025, Woodson is more than likely gone in 2025 and with the strength of the Cignetti hire the chances of Dolson getting overruled like that again will more than likely be much much lower. I personally want to see who he can bring in for the basketball program if he's actually given the ability to do so without interference and unnecessary involvement from people who don't need to be involved in the process. Give him a chance and let him do his job.

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55 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I am still of the opinion that Dolson didn't want Woodson but had no choice and even if he wanted him fired, there are people on the board protecting Woodson.

IU doesn't really want an AD.  They just want a figurehead to absorb blame.

100%. That’s why we hired Dolson, who ran the Varsity Club phone bank v Pat Kraft (IU alum who was super interested in the job, now AD at Penn State, was AD at Temple at the time). Quinn and the funders wanted a yes man who would let them pull the strings instead of someone w/experience who would run the show.  

The thing that frustrates me the most is that Dolson was forced to bring Wooody back this year, when the writing was on the wall. Powers that be thought maybe we could buy our way out of it. How’s that working. The collective gaslighting just added insult to injury.
 

Don’t dislike Dolson, and glad he got/give him credit for a home run with Cig…although Allen was probably kept a wasted year too long as well. Worried now we might have missed the boat w/May…and simply start this absurd cycle again next year by settling for another coach that’s a risk because that’s all that’s left. He should have pushed back more vocally/publicly when forced to ‘chill’ and ‘run it back’ w/Woody. Sometimes in a leadership position you’ve got to lead even if it’s not popular.

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29 minutes ago, Five Prime said:

Why did Mgbako only play 13 minutes?

In the first half he picked up 2 fouls in the first 30 seconds.  Woodson didn’t play him the rest of the half (I don’t agree with that strategy but it is something a lot of coaches do).

in the second half he only played 11 minutes because apparently he wanted Carlyle and Tucker to throw up bricks.

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7 minutes ago, Deserthoozier said:

100%. That’s why we hired Dolson, who ran the Varsity Club phone bank v Pat Kraft (IU alum who was super interested in the job, now AD at Penn State, was AD at Temple at the time). Quinn and the funders wanted a yes man who would let them pull the strings instead of someone w/experience who would run the show.  

The thing that frustrates me the most is that Dolson was forced to bring Wooody back this year, when the writing was on the wall. Powers that be thought maybe we could buy our way out of it. How’s that working. The collective gaslighting just added insult to injury.
 

Don’t dislike Dolson, and glad he got/give him credit for a home run with Cig…although Allen was probably kept a wasted year too long as well. Worried now we might have missed the boat w/May…and simply start this absurd cycle again next year by settling for another coach that’s a risk because that’s all that’s left. He should have pushed back more vocally/publicly when forced to ‘chill’ and ‘run it back’ w/Woody. Sometimes in a leadership position you’ve got to lead even if it’s not popular.

Except Cignetti's success wasn't a guarantee, and the donors wanting access to Woodson would have pulled their money if he tried to big boy the Woodson situation after getting overruled. If Cignetti hadn't been as successful as he has been this year and donors pulled their money he'd have put us in a serious mess. From a business standpoint there was nothing he could do. He made the right move backing off from the Woodson situation because it made it glaringly obvious how big of a mistake giving Woodson another year was and he got lucky that Cignetti has done what he has and put us in the great position we are in with football. He also knew Buckner's tenure is almost over and that Woodson will be gone with him. One more tough year of basketball yes and it really sucks for the fans but we do have some very good coaches on the radar for next season, May included. And from what I've been told we could still get him if we do things the right way, not to mention there are several other good options that want the position. So I don't believe we'll be scraping for risky options unless, like I said before, people who don't need to interfere and get involved with the hiring process.

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36 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

In the first half he picked up 2 fouls in the first 30 seconds.  Woodson didn’t play him the rest of the half (I don’t agree with that strategy but it is something a lot of coaches do).

in the second half he only played 11 minutes because apparently he wanted Carlyle and Tucker to throw up bricks.

I think he legitimately forgot MM was sitting there on the bench.

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100%. That’s why we hired Dolson, who ran the Varsity Club phone bank v Pat Kraft (IU alum who was super interested in the job, now AD at Penn State, was AD at Temple at the time). Quinn and the funders wanted a yes man who would let them pull the strings instead of someone w/experience who would run the show.  

 

The thing that frustrates me the most is that Dolson was forced to bring Wooody back this year, when the writing was on the wall. Powers that be thought maybe we could buy our way out of it. How’s that working. The collective gaslighting just added insult to injury.

 

Don’t dislike Dolson, and glad he got/give him credit for a home run with Cig…although Allen was probably kept a wasted year too long as well. Worried now we might have missed the boat w/May…and simply start this absurd cycle again next year by settling for another coach that’s a risk because that’s all that’s left. He should have pushed back more vocally/publicly when forced to ‘chill’ and ‘run it back’ w/Woody. Sometimes in a leadership position you’ve got to lead even if it’s not popular.

I just can't believe they thought more money would fix it. Now I was even naive enough to think there was too much talent now that things would change change some. I was wrong. But I guess if you are to a point where think more money solves the problem than the problem really is a problem that can't be fixed.

 

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