Transfer Portal w/IU Interest

[AZ Hoosier]

56 minutes ago, CSP said:

The bold--- a lot of teams throughout history could say that. 

"virtually no depth" that would be assuming Karvala, Moody are non contributors. 

Well, definitely unproven. We won't know what we know/don't know until we're well into the season. Cupcakes don't count.

[mike vannice]

Been following the transfer portal since it opened and was writing down names of potential post players. Came up with probably 25 guys and now down to 1- Emeka Opurum is still on Mike Schuman's latest list of guys we have contacted.

Pro's-7'0", athletic, rim runner, rebounder and shotblocker

Cons-Not much of an offensive threat, set out last year at Auburn due to some sort of heart condition but has been cleared to play

Did a deep dive in to the Euro big men available and feel like most are probably a pipe dream due to cost or NBA aspirations or other schools involved. However I did come across one fun fact: our recent addition Clemens Sokolof has the same agent as Serbian 7 footer Lazar Gacic who played for Mega Superbet (the team we played in Puerto Rico last year). Gacic is skinny but skilled and might be able to provide 10-15 minutes per game as a depth piece. Have no idea if we are in contact but thought it interesting that he has the same agent(Misko Raznatovic) as our new guy.

[CSP]

28 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

If we are counting on Karvala to be productive in the Big Ten as a freshman, I suppose that's possible. Staff knows better than me so just going to hope they are right and wait and see. In the meanwhile people will question things that are obviously questionable from a staff that has not yet earned the benefit of the doubt. Would be nice if that changes after this year

I guess I'm just confused on how we thought this would go. We thought the FR would be spots 11-13? Like we actually thought that? 2 kids rated top 100--- just won't see the floor at all/shouldn't be relied upon to offer depth? 

But, if we go from the issues we had last year to worrying about our 7th-9th spots--- that's measurable growth. 

Enright vs Burton

Wilkerson vs Lindsay

Dorn vs Mustaf

DeVries vs Sherrell

Alexis vs Yigi

we're going to sit here and act like that isn't significant? 

Bench

Conerway, Bailey, FR Sisley, Miles

Bench

SO Sisley, Harris, 3 FR 

Granted if you played a game bench vs bench--- it's probably relatively even--- but, it's not like we are taking out all 5 starters namely Sherrell/Yigi (both) ever. The bench wasn't near the issue as our top end talent was last season, specifically at the 1/5. 

people are going to question and pretend they know s*** know matter what lol.. it's easy to do on a computer with no skin in the game. I've not really mentioned an issue with that, though. I think realistically, we've added near the best we could... I really like the idea that all these guys can be back next year... 

I do hope we find another guy that's more 7th-11th... and not a clear 12th, 13th, as the last two are... 

[Hardwood83]

56 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Career averages for our 6th and 7th players next year

Harris 8.4 mpg 2.8 ppg

Sisley 13.2 mpg 4.4 ppg

That's not good. Not to mention there isn't a primary ballhandler or a serviceable big man on the bench.

Agree that the overall talent level has gotten better, but you could easily make the case this roster is constructed worse this year than last year.

It sure appears that way. I would LOVE to be pleasantly surprised by IUBB for the first time, in a long time. But as it stands, the roster construction is questionable, at best, IMO. I will give it a chance, but am cautiously pessimistic and prepared to be disappointed when Sisley inevitably ends up guarding a B1G center and is predictably getting abused. 

Having one starter slide over to cover another position for an injury/foul/fatigue is not "depth." For instance if Lindsay is the starting SG AND back-up PG, then there is no back-up PG. Same for Sherrell at Center. It's a house of cards. 

My credentials? I recognized Bailey wasn't a B1G center last off-season. I also recall Colin Hartman (among several others the last 20yrs) playing out of position as "center" for long-stretches and what an embarrassment that is.    

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Hardwood83 said:

It sure appears that way. I would LOVE to be pleasantly surprised by IUBB for the first time, in a long time. But as it stands, the roster construction is questionable, at best, IMO. I will give it a chance, but am cautiously pessimistic and prepared to be disappointed when Sisley inevitably ends up guarding a B1G center and is predictably getting abused. 

Having one starter slide over to cover another position for an injury/foul/fatigue is not "depth." For instance if Lindsay is the starting SG AND back-up PG, then there is no back-up PG. Same for Sherrell at Center. It's a house of cards. 

My credentials? I recognized Bailey wasn't a B1G center last off-season. I also recall Colin Hartman (among several others the last 20yrs) playing out of position as "center" for long-stretches and what an embarrassment that is.    

Collin had to do that because HP couldn't stay out of trouble and Emmitt Holt hit Devan Davis with a car. 

But.. people sliding over is in fact depth because you can insert Sisley at the 4, Harris at the 2/3. It's considerably than what we were doing last season lol 

[Home Jersey]

18 minutes ago, CSP said:

I guess I'm just confused on how we thought this would go. We thought the FR would be spots 11-13? Like we actually thought that? 2 kids rated top 100--- just won't see the floor at all/shouldn't be relied upon to offer depth? 

But, if we go from the issues we had last year to worrying about our 7th-9th spots--- that's measurable growth. 

Enright vs Burton

Wilkerson vs Lindsay

Dorn vs Mustaf

DeVries vs Sherrell

Alexis vs Yigi

we're going to sit here and act like that isn't significant? 

Bench

Conerway, Bailey, FR Sisley, Miles

Bench

SO Sisley, Harris, 3 FR 

Granted if you played a game bench vs bench--- it's probably relatively even--- but, it's not like we are taking out all 5 starters namely Sherrell/Yigi (both) ever. The bench wasn't near the issue as our top end talent was last season, specifically at the 1/5. 

people are going to question and pretend they know s*** know matter what lol.. it's easy to do on a computer with no skin in the game. I've not really mentioned an issue with that, though. I think realistically, we've added near the best we could... I really like the idea that all these guys can be back next year... 

I do hope we find another guy that's more 7th-11th... and not a clear 12th, 13th, as the last two are... 

Who is acting like we haven't significantly upgraded the roster? Not me. I've said I have no problem with Moody as 9th man and Karvala as 10th. We agree on your last paragraph. 

Comparisons to last year's team don't interest me. Simply saying the bench can be a hindrance to success next year. I didn't realize saying 12-8 in the Big Ten next year is so pessimistic of me. I'll remember to give the staff a pat on the @$$ in every post if it makes people feel better lol 

[ebridges24]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I'm in the camp of wanting further depth especially at point as I've been posting, but disagree we don't have "any depth whatsoever." Our depth is definitely limited but there is some, going to require some well thought out subbing, maybe --

Burton - Lindsay - Moody (these strike me as most likely to play on-ball roles, not sure of others)

Lindsay - Harris - Monden

Mustaf - Moody - Karvala

Sherrell - Sisley - Manhertz

Yigi - Sisley - Sokolov

 

 

I could see Yigi playing the 2 ahead of Monden

[Hardwood83]

5 minutes ago, CSP said:

Collin had to do that because HP couldn't stay out of trouble and Emmitt Holt hit Devan Davis with a car. 

But.. people sliding over is in fact depth because you can insert Sisley at the 4, Harris at the 2/3. It's considerably than what we were doing last season lol 

Now do 1 & 5...that is the issue. We have no other PG on the roster and 2 Centers, that both will be starting. After that it gets awfully thin.  There is no world where either Sherrell or the big Turk play 30+ mins game. So I agree IU has some depth, but it all appears to be at 2-4. 

[Home Jersey]

All this misdirection that people are concerned about 11-13 lol. People are commenting on 6-9. 

People have their own ideas about depth and top end talent. Or what to expect from freshmen.

So everyone minimizing concerns others have, what is your expectation for the Big 10 W/L record next year?

[AH1971]

32 minutes ago, CSP said:

I guess I'm just confused on how we thought this would go. We thought the FR would be spots 11-13? Like we actually thought that? 2 kids rated top 100--- just won't see the floor at all/shouldn't be relied upon to offer depth? 

Well yes, maybe spots 9-10. The emphasis on top 100 doesn't mean a whole lot these days when you can upgrade your roster every offseason with 22-24 year old proven players. Karvala and Manhertz may have high ceilings, but physically, I wouldn't expect much from them this season. And why would you? If all three freshman are key components of your rotation, you're likely in trouble. Doubly if someone like Sherrell or Burton get hurt. 

[Home Jersey]

The kids ranked around our incoming freshmen are largely either going to be fringe rotation guys at P5 like Sisley last year or play more at schools like VCU and Dayton.

Basketball is played with 5 guys on the court and we bought a potentially pretty to very good group of starters. We still need to get something out of our bench. All teams need to worry about staying healthy. Especially us.

Hopefully we go 12-8 in the Big Ten or better and have a core to retain for the first time in what feels like forever for IUBB. This program has no culture to attract or retain guys. That's probably what I found most disappointing about year 1 and why going into year 2 we again had to spend absurd amounts of money to flip the entire roster. Hopefully allocated better this time around.

All we can do is hope since absolutely nothing is ensured when you compete at this level.

[CSP]

1 hour ago, Hardwood83 said:

Now do 1 & 5...that is the issue. We have no other PG on the roster and 2 Centers, that both will be starting. After that it gets awfully thin.  There is no world where either Sherrell or the big Turk play 30+ mins game. So I agree IU has some depth, but it all appears to be at 2-4. 

I just did... at the 1&5 we are absurdly better than we were last year, and at PG.... I think it's the best we've been since Yogi... 

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

All this misdirection that people are concerned about 11-13 lol. People are commenting on 6-9. 

People have their own ideas about depth and top end talent. Or what to expect from freshmen.

So everyone minimizing concerns others have, what is your expectation for the Big 10 W/L record next year?

I'm just happy to have the concerns we have now vs what we saw in games again P4 last season. I don't play the prediction/expectation game. 

I except to be able to compete in every game, make the tourney, as a 9 or better seed. That would be the floor. 

Realistically-- you thought we were pulling in PROVEN guys for spots 6-9? What world do you guys live in? 

[Home Jersey]

5 minutes ago, CSP said:

Realistically-- you thought we were pulling in PROVEN guys for spots 6-9? What world do you guys live in? 

It'd be nice for our 6th and 7th guys to be more proven than 10mpg each. It'd be nice to have a back up 5 as 8th or 9th man. Moody as 8th or 9th and Karvala as 10th would be fine with me.

Overall the staff deserves kudos for pulling a top portal haul. That doesn't mean we have no holes on the roster or are ensured any type of success.

But why bother trying to understand what others are saying when you can just misrepresent their point of view and argue with yourself? Lol 

[CSP]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

It'd be nice for our 6th and 7th guys to be more proven than 10mpg each. It'd be nice to have a back up 5 as 8th or 9th man. Moody as 8th or 9th and Karvala as 10th would be fine with me.

Overall the staff deserves kudos for pulling a top portal haul. That doesn't mean we have no holes on the roster or are ensured any type of success.

But why bother trying to understand what others are saying when you can just misrepresent their point of view and argue with yourself? Lol 

Who stated we don't have holes? You make s*** up to argue lol 

No one has misrepresented your viewpoint. It was just.... silly the entire time. 

[Pryght]

2 hours ago, mike vannice said:

Been following the transfer portal since it opened and was writing down names of potential post players. Came up with probably 25 guys and now down to 1- Emeka Opurum is still on Mike Schuman's latest list of guys we have contacted.

Pro's-7'0", athletic, rim runner, rebounder and shotblocker

Cons-Not much of an offensive threat, set out last year at Auburn due to some sort of heart condition but has been cleared to play

Did a deep dive in to the Euro big men available and feel like most are probably a pipe dream due to cost or NBA aspirations or other schools involved. However I did come across one fun fact: our recent addition Clemens Sokolof has the same agent as Serbian 7 footer Lazar Gacic who played for Mega Superbet (the team we played in Puerto Rico last year). Gacic is skinny but skilled and might be able to provide 10-15 minutes per game as a depth piece. Have no idea if we are in contact but thought it interesting that he has the same agent(Misko Raznatovic) as our new guy.

We need a 4/5, not a 5.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

2 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Well yes, maybe spots 9-10. The emphasis on top 100 doesn't mean a whole lot these days when you can upgrade your roster every offseason with 22-24 year old proven players. Karvala and Manhertz may have high ceilings, but physically, I wouldn't expect much from them this season. And why would you? If all three freshman are key components of your rotation, you're likely in trouble. Doubly if someone like Sherrell or Burton get hurt. 

AH1971 and I see roster building much the same.  Winning at the top level and expecting mid level recruits being ready to contribute as freshman aren’t things that generally fit well together.  Although Moody being ready won’t surprise me.  1 more semi star and 1 solid bench piece and you’ve got yourself a team that can win a championship.  

[HoosierHoopster]

5 hours ago, AH1971 said:

You have two primary ballhandlers on the team, Burton and Monden. One is injury prone and the other statistically was one of the worst 50 players in all of college basketball last year. Lindsay playing 38 minutes at PG next year in the event of injury next year. If one of Samet or Sherrell go down next year, your front court is Sisley and Sokolov. That's horrendous. 

Again agree we're thin at point, but Lindsay wouldn't be playing 38 min at point if Burton were to go down, likely would be shared on ball responsibility with Moody (who has some on ball experience) and probably Harris or Mustaf (not ideal for sure, but don't see Monden playing any real time)

[HoosierHoopster]

3 hours ago, ebridges24 said:

I could see Yigi playing the 2 ahead of Monden

I'd laugh but then I'd also agree lol