They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[AZ Hoosier]

3 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I'm just waiting until KathywithaC and the board meet so she can tell me how I should feel about the end of the game last night.

I can save you the trouble... this is all visceral, and it's about "process". You still don't understand...  /s

[iu eyedoc]

7 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Not true on the cut bubble.  Fifteen teams make the BTT.  Washington has one win and then there are four teams with three wins. 

That said, Penn State and Minnesota play each other twice, plus Minnesota still play Washington, Northwestern, and Nebraska, and Rutgers. 

IU is favored in 2 of their last 9 games so if that goes chalk that puts them at 7-13. Not going to go through all  the other teams below IU but I would say that record would be far closer to the 15/16 cut point than would be comfortable.

[iu eyedoc]

12 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

IMO, there is a point at the minimum in announcing Woodson's retirement.  Fan support for the team will continue to go down the drain until they know we are moving on.

That has always been the best scenario, but I doubt CMW's ego would ever agree to that as it would be a transparent firing and  that ego is much more important than any player or fanbase to the trigger man in that case.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

apparently deleted.

He was saying told ya so about Ballo with a 1,200,000 attached to the tweet of him being angry.



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[JF87]

10 hours ago, IUHoosier5 said:

My one observation and only thing I will say tonight is Woodson seems to be frequently late in his recognition and decision-making. Last game he calls a timeout; this game he does not. Feel for the game is a skill, and his is severely lacking. Effort hides a bunch of coaching, and for the most part it did tonight, but when it mattered most he was late to act upon the game or did not at all. 

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I provide this evidence: “Couldn’t get his attention, and about the time he got where he was going – I thought he got fouled on the play, but they didn’t make the call."

You're up one and Purdue calls timeout.  You set your defense in the huddle. Wouldn't you also be telling the team what we are going to do if they score?  The decision may be different based on the amount of time left, but it seems to me a good coach should be one or two plays ahead in their thinking.  The fact a timeout or no timeout wasn't discussed in the previous timeout is damning evidence against Woodson.  

 

[iu eyedoc]

16 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

The tweet was going after Ballo and his $1.2 million NIL.  It showed him visibly angry and yelling at Rice in the huddle after Rice's last shot.

IMO, stupid tweet and It was going after a guy who showed how much he cared.

That again highlighted the dysfunction in coaching and control. For the guys still putting in effort, it's sad. That Rice, Carlyle,Reneau and Tucker have become near unplayable liabilities is mind blowingly bad coaching

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I think we finish 8-12. Could see a 9-11 or a 7-13. Either way it’s not good enough. Does 10-10 in this years B1G sneak us in? Maybe.

To go 10-10 we need to finish 5-4. We won’t beat Wisconsin up there so we need to win 5 of last 8 and that includes @MSU. Times running out


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[JF87]

18 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

That has always been the best scenario, but I doubt CMW's ego would ever agree to that as it would be a transparent firing and  that ego is much more important than any player or fanbase to the trigger man in that case.

Mike Woodson is over .500 this year.  That gets you an extension in the NBA.  Mike Woodson has done his job.

[DLG3]

At least Woodson continues to leave no doubt about being a terrible coach. That whole last 2-3 sequences were all about who has the better head coach. I feel for the guys because most of them probably deserved to pull the game out. But alas…

You could have put the ball in about 3-4 different player’s hands and I wouldn’t have said a word. But Rice? Come on. I can’t be the only one thinking Woody didn’t use 1 of the timeouts left because he saw how using a timeout at the end of the Maryland game went. 

[Golfman25]

Gentlemen, don’t fret.  The Brad Stevens as interim coach plan is right on schedule.  Stay tuned.  :)

[bodsbums]

I truly cannot understand how anyone can be pissed at Ballo last night. He played hard. He still misses way too many free throws, but that’s who he is.  People have been screaming at the guys all season and then when we do, we get mad at them, because they’re getting on a teammate for a terrible play. My biggest criticism all along has been why can’t everybody bring that fire every night?  If you’re going to get mad at Paula, that’s what you should be mad about not for yelling at Rice. I would have been yelling at him too.  There is a reason Rice didn’t play virtually the entire second half.

[JF87]

9 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Gentlemen, don’t fret.  The Brad Stevens as interim coach plan is right on schedule.  Stay tuned.  :)

[Pagoda]

Tyme deleted all his posts again lol 

[IUFAN1976]

8 minutes ago, bodsbums said:

I truly cannot understand how anyone can be pissed at Ballo last night. He played hard. He still misses way too many free throws, but that’s who he is.  People have been screaming at the guys all season and then when we do, we get mad at them, because they’re getting on a teammate for a terrible play. My biggest criticism all along has been why can’t everybody bring that fire every night?  If you’re going to get mad at Paula, that’s what you should be mad about not for yelling at Rice. I would have been yelling at him too.  There is a reason Rice didn’t play virtually the entire second half.

I agree!  Ballo showed some fire and it was directed at the correct guy.  Rice is a selfish player and took and ill-advised shot with the game on the line.  He had a hot Mgbako open in the corner, or at least drive it all the way to basket.  
 

Other than those 20 turnovers that killed us, this was the best and hardest played game they have played all year.  I honestly that tonight we were the better team, personnel wise, but we weren’t better coached.  Too many miscues, especially down the stretch cost us this game and that comes down to coaching.

[HoosierInParadise]

I still don't understand how an organization can have so many data points to make a decision to move on from someone but just doesn't do it. I don't think it would be too far-fetched for a large company to move on from a top executive or administrator on a project if they were showing signs of not producing or damaging the brand. I can't imagine that company waiting until the end of the project to let the person go. If it's moving in the wrong direction, why let it go downstream even more?

[iu eyedoc]

7 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I agree!  Ballo showed some fire and it was directed at the correct guy.  Rice is a selfish player and took and ill-advised shot with the game on the line.  He had a hot Mgbako open in the corner, or at least drive it all the way to basket.  
 

Other than those 20 turnovers that killed us, this was the best and hardest played game they have played all year.  I honestly that tonight we were the better team, personnel wise, but we weren’t better coached.  Too many miscues, especially down the stretch cost us this game and that comes down to coaching.

All true, but I will say, personnel wise, at least from athletic ability stand point, IU has been the better team in all but maybe 1 or 2 games this season. As basketball players( smarts, discipline, effort, attitude) they have not been and this falls wholly on the coaches.

[IUFAN1976]

59 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

That has always been the best scenario, but I doubt CMW's ego would ever agree to that as it would be a transparent firing and  that ego is much more important than any player or fanbase to the trigger man in that case.

That is exactly what gets in the way on all of this, his ego!  If he truly cared about IU and the basketball program, he would do the right thing, but Mike Woodson is about Mike Woodson!

[lillurk]

I believe there was some discussion yesterday about NBA team executive salaries in relationship to Stevens’ potential personal pro/con list. Front Office Sports doesn’t cite its sources here but is generally reputable: https://frontofficesports.com/highest-paid-nba-general-managers/

Stevens’ salary isn’t listed but when this was updated in the fall, only 5 reported salaries exceeded Woody’s coaching salary.

A couple notes: 1. As mentioned, doesn’t cite sources, 2. Not every GM’s salary is listed, 3. Stevens is Boston’s president of basketball ops, technically, which might mean he’s closer to the top of the list, 4. Danny Ainge preceded Brad in that role and is listed at $3M in Utah; I wouldn’t be surprised if Danny took a haircut to be with the Jazz but did he take a 50% cut? Did Boston immediately pay Brad more than one of the best execs in bball when he had no front office experience? 5. As I think @Home Jersey mentioned yesterday, the money goes farther in So. IN than Boston, and finally, 6. If IU offered $70M over seven years in ‘21 they will almost surely be able to make this at least a lateral financial move once taxes, cost of living, etc. are factored in.

Look, I get the skepticism that IU can make it work. But the timing to leave Boston makes some sense for a variety of reasons. We don’t know the Stevens but the family arguments are weaker this time around, you’d think. The financial circumstances can probs may be roughly equivalent, based on what we can glean. And I also just really think that as good as he’s been as an exec, Brad Stevens wants to be a basketball coach. He’s not just going to take any job, but we can reasonably expect that Dolson will make a compelling case against this time.

[IUFAN1976]

3 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

All true, but I will say, personnel wise, at least from athletic ability stand point, IU has been the better team in all but maybe 1 or 2 games this season. As basketball players( smarts, discipline, effort, attitude) they have not been and this falls wholly on the coaches.

Spot on!  The are the best team athletic ability wise that money can buy, but all those other things they lack in, bring them back to the pack and don’t forget about poor coaching, it definitely played a role in this 

[iu eyedoc]

17 minutes ago, mbredenk101 said:

I still don't understand how an organization can have so many data points to make a decision to move on from someone but just doesn't do it. I don't think it would be too far-fetched for a large company to move on from a top executive or administrator on a project if they were showing signs of not producing or damaging the brand. I can't imagine that company waiting until the end of the project to let the person go. If it's moving in the wrong direction, why let it go downstream even more?

The point of moving on from that executive would be to put in placer a better option, as such there are none at IU. Other than satisfying the seething fan base there is no reason to fire CMW. I was for firing him earlier, just for fear he might eek out enough wins to be retained. That ship has all but sailed barring Jesus transferring in late season, and he may even struggle in Woodson's offense.

  And realize the forces that led to retaining CMW last off season are still in place. Woodson's failure and Dolsons fb accomplishments have shifted the power balance, but with no real benefit to firing him this late into this failure of a season, it seems for Dolson to use up the political capital he has amassed to merely pants Woodson seems unwise.  Let Woodson lay in the bed he made and then fade into the annuls of IU failed coaching.