They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[ap2345]

8 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

all of those points are valid - but during the warriors run with klay, steph, KD, Green and others, they made decisions on the fly and they did just fine with little cap flexibility at the highest available apron but kept pieces moving.  i don't see why boston couldn't replicate it over the next 3 or 4 years.  Now, of course a new owner throws a curveball so i suppose stevens could elect to take the safer route of the two now that he's won at the highest level of basketball in the NBA.  

The NBA has put in new rules. The second apron tax cap rules have just been implemented in the last year or so. It makes things much more difficult to do what the Warriors did. 

[ap2345]

2 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

yeah, after Bob built and added key players to those teams that won 4 NBA championships during his tenure.  Brad is 25% of the way there and with similar cap situations that his teams faced.  Bob Myers was also there ALOT longer than Brad.  Brad is only on what year 2 of being the GM?  the trajectory of this team is deep playoff runs for the foreseeable futures unless major injuries get in the way

Brad's in year 4. Same as Woody. 

[ap2345]

This explains the NBA second apron that the Celtics are over. 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2024/10/nba-second-apron-cba-explained

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[str8baller]

23 minutes ago, Juwan Moye said:

Pessimists don’t accomplish greatness, optimists do.

 

HIRE BRAD STEVENS

 

 

sorry…had to. Lol

[dwtaylor1055]

2 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Brad's in year 4. Same as Woody. 

 

3 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

The NBA has put in new rules. The second apron tax cap rules have just been implemented in the last year or so. It makes things much more difficult to do what the Warriors did. 

the NBA continuously adds next level layers/rules/etc and its ever changing.  Yes, each year it gets harder and harder.  Was it not deemed "difficult" at the time of rules implemented during the warriors run?  Sure, it was.  Just like now, this new set of rules are "more difficult" and more challenging.  Adaptability is key and if you choose to ignore it, it'll cost you.  I don't see a reason as to why one of the most coveted NBA teams in the history of basketball will say "lets stop short of trying to continue greatness for the next 4 or 5 years and do some sort of soft rebuild or not adapt on the fly under new ownership".      

[dwtaylor1055]

3 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

This explains the NBA second apron that the Celtics are over. 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2024/10/nba-second-apron-cba-explained

Boston will adapt just like the warriors did when rules similar were put into place during their run.  Boston would be silly not to adapt and continue to compete at its highest level.  

[OKHOOSIER]

1 minute ago, ap2345 said:

This explains the NBA second apron that the Celtics are over. 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2024/10/nba-second-apron-cba-explained

This may not be an answerable question, but part of my skepticism for Brad comes from his value if the new ownership did something stupid and let him walk. What is the barometer on being a GM elsewhere? If he found himself unemployed due to new owners, I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t be at or near the top of every open coaching or GM job target list in perpetuity. 
 

I guess what I’m asking is, do we think he’s an NBA guy now, or does IU have the kind of emotional or familial pull to overcome that? 
 

I dunno, like I said probably not answerable, but it’s been on my mind in regards to Brad given the “timing” seems about as perfect as it could be this time. 

[ap2345]

It's easier said than done with the current contracts and the way the rules are. 

[ap2345]

Just now, OKHOOSIER said:

This may not be an answerable question, but part of my skepticism for Brad comes from his value if the new ownership did something stupid and let him walk. What is the barometer on being a GM elsewhere? If he found himself unemployed due to new owners, I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t be at or near the top of every open coaching or GM job target list in perpetuity. 
 

I guess what I’m asking is, do we think he’s an NBA guy now, or does IU have the kind of emotional or familial pull to overcome that? 
 

I dunno, like I said probably not answerable, but it’s been on my mind in regards to Brad given the “timing” seems about as perfect as it could be this time. 

I do not believe he would move to a different front office. 

[OKHOOSIER]

1 minute ago, ap2345 said:

I do not believe he would move to a different front office. 

So if he stayed NBA you’d guess only on the bench? 

[Artie86]

13 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Brad's in year 4. Same as Woody. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

1 hour ago, Hornsby said:

 Brad says no so here is Michael Lewis for 7 years. He is an iu guy!!!

 

Nope.  That experiment is over.

[Hornsby]

Nope.  That experiment is over.

And some are saying let calbert take over. No thanks. Joe hillman finally got what he wanted after screaming about you gotta get an iu guy for 15 years. We'll they got what they wanted and it failed

 

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

43 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I’m inclined to believe this makes new ownership pony up big time to keep him… maybe a small ownership stake. They will want continuity in the organization and you’re not gonna find a GM with a better reputation at the moment. They’re gonna offer him the world and a blank check IMO.

And if not the Celtics, some other NBA team.

[ap2345]

@OKHOOSIER take a look at these. 

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2010/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=504130

https://www.cantonrep.com/story/news/local/north-canton/2017/04/21/celtics-coach-has-roots-in/21319891007

https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/11/03/brad-stevens-basketball-journey-was-shaped-by-bob-knight-he-was-bigger-than-life/

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

3 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

And some are saying let calbert take over. No thanks. Joe hillman finally got what he wanted after screaming about you gotta get an iu guy for 15 years. We'll they got what they wanted and it failed

 

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I haven't heard a single person lobby for Calbert to be our permanent head coach.  Fill in the remainder of this season but nothing more than that.  I'm worried about your mental health once Woody is gone.  

[ap2345]

11 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

So if he stayed NBA you’d guess only on the bench? 

Yes, I don't think he will stay in the NBA though

[Home Jersey]

Just now, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I haven't heard a single person lobby for Calbert to be our permanent head coach.  Fill in the remainder of this season but nothing more than that.  I'm worried about your mental health once Woody is gone.  

I think all of our mental healths can only improve once we finally get over this gosh darn hump. 

[Demo]

Interesting little factoid: the Celtics(19) and the Lakers(18) have combined for 37 NBA championships. The next most is Golden St with 5. Now, in the combined history of those 2 dominant franchises, anybody want to take a swing at who has coached the most games WITHOUT winning 1 of those 37 championships? That would be Brad Stevens with 636. Oh, and the HC before him, Doc Rivers, and the one following him, Joe Mazzulla(Udoka doesn’t count) both have rings. Am I saying that Stevens isn’t top shelf? Of course not. But he’s not K either, at least not yet, and if I have to listen to Stevens-as-Savior talk for the next 2 1/2 months I’m probably just gonna have to lightly troll it every now and then. Somebody’s gotta be that guy.