They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hoosierfan2017]

Bracketolist or not, you don’t have to be one to see that sneaking into the tournament would be devastating for the program. Mike Woodson cannot be the head coach after this season. 

[Scotty R]

2 minutes ago, Trish said:

He does indeed, the 2016 champion in fact. 

 

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html

What is funny from that list are these called experts like Lunardi rank so low. He ranks 128 and the CBS and Fox guys rank really low as well. Even though Tonsoni says that Andy Bottoms are the expert yet he ranks in the 60's and Tonsoni is 39

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, Trish said:

He does indeed, the 2016 champion in fact. 

 

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html

39th last year which is really good.  However projecting a   number of wins a team hypothetically needs to get in on Jan 3rd with over 2 months of basketball left is a hard ask.  Realistically no one should be talking bubble until after Valentine’s day.   Just not enough data to make a statement like that this early.   Although probably a  good talking point to put on a podcast about IU basketball. 

[JF87]

Retire/Fire Mike Woodson!

[IUFAN1976]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yes that would be the case. That’s why I said hypothetically if IU got to 10 wins they would have multiple since 13 of their 17 remaining games are Q1 opportunities with the Purdue game at Assembly Hall right on the edge that could be 14 Q1 games left.   That’s all I’m saying.    If and thats a big if the got to 10 they would have to have won multiple Q1 games.   As a bracketologist I give the unbiased path IU has and give you the why they can make it going 10-10 however the invested IU fan in me  can tell you I don’t see the path.    I’m just better at looking at IU through the lense of an unbiased college basketball fan then others when doing bracketology 

Gotcha!  I’m not a bracketologist but I don’t see a path either.  I see 8 wins at best.  He water down the non-con and had a lot riding on the Bahamas.  I think Stuhoo and others are right, this is his last year because the water down non-con was by design to pad his win total, they didn’t care about quality wins at this point because if he doesn’t make the tournament, even with 18-20 wins, he can go out with an overall winning record who got us to the tournament twice, lol.  

[IUFAN1976]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Sacrilege 

Does tea count?

[HoosierHoopster]

3 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Does tea count?

Maybe if there’s alcohol in it

:)

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Bracketolist or not, you don’t have to be one to see that sneaking into the tournament would be devastating for the program. Mike Woodson cannot be the head coach after this season. 

I agree, and I don’t think he will!  I actually think he’s done at the end of the year whether he gets into the tournament or not.  I think what Stuhoo and some others have stated, I now think there is merit to this.  But I still don’t think he’s getting in

[Uspshoosier]

17 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

He water down the non-con and had a lot riding on the Bahamas.

Agree however the 2 non con wins he does have could still look good on a team sheet just got to see where Providence and South Carolina end up.   South Carolina plays in the Sec which means every game they play is a Q1 or Q2 game.   They are the lowest net sec team and they are 86.  If they clip some teams I could see their net going below 76 which would be that at a Q2.  Providence is a q2 right now and has a chance to move up to a Q1 however maybe both lose a bunch and those wins could go to a Q3.    See how silly talking about the bubble is in January.   February is a better time to start looking ahead to March.   January just too early to make a prediction on the bubble in my opinion 

[Hornsby]

Bracketolist or not, you don’t have to be one to see that sneaking into the tournament would be devastating for the program. Mike Woodson cannot be the head coach after this season. 

Yep for a team picked to finish 2nd it would be. I think probably want the king wants is a ceremony at center court his last game where he can be told he saved the program. He can give his I did my job speech and ride off filthy rich.

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[Hornsby]

Agree however the 2 non con wins he does have could still look good on a team sheet just got to see where Providence and South Carolina end up.   South Carolina plays in the Sec which means every game they play is a Q1 or Q2 game.   They are the lowest net sec team and they are 86.  If they clip some teams I could see their net going below 76 which would be that at a Q2.  Providence is a q2 right now and has a chance to move up to a Q1 however maybe both lose a bunch and those wins could go to a Q3.    See how silly talking about the bubble is in January.   February is a better time to start looking ahead to March.   January just too early to make a prediction on the bubble in my opinion 

Providence is currently 7-7 and just lost to Marquette by 30. My guess is they end up near the bottom of their conference.

 

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[IUFAN1976]

23 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Agree however the 2 non con wins he does have could still look good on a team sheet just got to see where Providence and South Carolina end up.   South Carolina plays in the Sec which means every game they play is a Q1 or Q2 game.   They are the lowest net sec team and they are 86.  If they clip some teams I could see their net going below 76 which would be that at a Q2.  Providence is a q2 right now and has a chance to move up to a Q1 however maybe both lose a bunch and those wins could go to a Q3.    See how silly talking about the bubble is in January.   February is a better time to start looking ahead to March.   January just too early to make a prediction on the bubble in my opinion 

Yes, a lot can change between now and the end of the year

[OKHOOSIER]

Providence is not a good team and isn’t going to make the tournament. SC also is not good, but may sneak in by virtue of the SEC. IMO, 10-10 isn’t gonna get it done for IU. We need 11-9 or 12-8 to be on the bubble, and it’s hard to look at our schedule left and see 10 wins left. 
 

With how soft our non-conference schedule was we had to have competent play in the Bahamas. I said it before but Mike Woodson has 5 wins against teams that finished in the AP Poll and three of those are Purdue. Only one of the five is on the road, also Purdue when they shot 21% from 3 and JHS went unconscious. Point being, Mike Woodson’s teams don’t win games as an underdog. It’s a hallmark of his tenure. There’s no reason to think that changes and we win games we shouldn’t with this team. We aren’t making the tournament. 
 

Beating Rutgers at home without their best player and letting their other best player drop 39 in AH is hardly cause for celebration. I’ve come around to believe it doesn’t matter if we sneak in the tournament, and he’s most likely gone either way. Time will tell. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

58 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I agree, and I don’t think he will!  I actually think he’s done at the end of the year whether he gets into the tournament or not.  I think what Stuhoo and some others have stated, I now think there is merit to this.  But I still don’t think he’s getting in

I simply have no faith in the administration that gave him a $1 million raise for making the tournament then firing him after making the tournament. 

[deserthoosier]

25 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I simply have no faith in the administration that gave him a $1 million raise for making the tournament then firing him after making the tournament. 

I understood that the raise was given so IU could spread a buyout to 1 million per year.

[Hornsby]

Providence is not a good team and isn’t going to make the tournament. SC also is not good, but may sneak in by virtue of the SEC. IMO, 10-10 isn’t gonna get it done for IU. We need 11-9 or 12-8 to be on the bubble, and it’s hard to look at our schedule left and see 10 wins left. 
 
With how soft our non-conference schedule was we had to have competent play in the Bahamas. I said it before but Mike Woodson has 5 wins against teams that finished in the AP Poll and three of those are Purdue. Only one of the five is on the road, also Purdue when they shot 21% from 3 and JHS went unconscious. Point being, Mike Woodson’s teams don’t win games as an underdog. It’s a hallmark of his tenure. There’s no reason to think that changes and we win games we shouldn’t with this team. We aren’t making the tournament. 
 
Beating Rutgers at home without their best player and letting their other best player drop 39 in AH is hardly cause for celebration. I’ve come around to believe it doesn’t matter if we sneak in the tournament, and he’s most likely gone either way. Time will tell. 

Providence is about to go 7-8 after uconn throttles them this weekend. They were also without their best player when Woodson beat them. Bottom line is Woodson will have to best teams like illinois and michigan state. He has no good wins. Rutgers probably finishes bottom third

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[Golfman25]

42 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I simply have no faith in the administration that gave him a $1 million raise for making the tournament then firing him after making the tournament. 

It’s going to be an administration battle royal if he makes the tournament and we try to fire him.  Quinn will still be around.  He probably gets an extension.   Is Dolson really going to have the balls to go against some of the power brokers?  He’d be risking his career, to fire mediocre mike. I don’t see it.  He’ll focus on football instead. 

[Hornsby]

It’s going to be an administration battle royal if he makes the tournament and we try to fire him.  Quinn will still be around.  He probably gets an extension.   Is Dolson really going to have the balls to go against some of the power brokers?  He’d be risking his career, to fire mediocre mike. I don’t see it.  He’ll focus on football instead. 

Correct dolson isn't risking his job to fire Woodson. Quinn likely wins that battle. The only thing that might change it is if the big donors put away their wallets for bbal. Unlikely.

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[Hoosierfan2017]

43 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

It’s going to be an administration battle royal if he makes the tournament and we try to fire him.  Quinn will still be around.  He probably gets an extension.   Is Dolson really going to have the balls to go against some of the power brokers?  He’d be risking his career, to fire mediocre mike. I don’t see it.  He’ll focus on football instead. 

There’s definitely less pressure on Dolson to make a move now that IUFB has arrived. Basketball had been king at IU, but football is king within college sports at large. Maybe it’s just me, but basketball feels like an afterthought at this point. It’s all about the football transfer portal and reloading for next year. May not be worth rocking the boat when IUFB has fans happy. 

[Scotty R]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

There’s definitely less pressure on Dolson to make a move now that IUFB has arrived. Basketball had been king at IU, but football is king within college sports at large. Maybe it’s just me, but basketball feels like an afterthought at this point. It’s all about the football transfer portal and reloading for next year. May not be worth rocking the boat when IUFB has fans happy. 

I look it the other way that the success in football is going to put more presser on Woodson and the basketball program. IU is and will always be more of a basketball school and the fans will expect the same turn around in basketball as we seen in football