They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[JSHoosier]

8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Really the offseason further supports those who wanted Woodson gone. Imagine these NIL resources with a coach who actually knows what he’s doing (and wants to actually do the job, not just have the job title). Can’t give great ingredients to a mediocre at best chef and expect him to cook a world class meal. But our donors apparently only want to give the money if Woodson’s the coach, so we’re stuck with him. I anticipate he’ll do just enough to keep his job (given IU’s astronomically low standards), and we’ll be right back here next April in the purgatory that is iubb fandom. 

Yep. Like I've said, imagine a good coach having this support instead of just trying to buy a team that not even Woodson can screw up.

I wanted Crean gone and the last two hires make him look good.

[TTT]

2 hours ago, str8baller said:

That’s an Indiana problem. As has been pointed out by other posters, most schools aren’t doing this and the ones that are typically aren’t successful.  
 

Of the final four teams only nc state really pieced it all together in one year and they barely made it on a miracle run. Uconn and Purdue added a guy or two a year—which isn’t wildly different from the grad transfer days. I think Bama had 2 or 3 new guys in their rotation.  
 

Between transfers, juco transfers and 1 and done or 2 and dones, a lot of the top programs have been adding 2 or 3 important rotation pieces every year anyways over the last couple decades. So consistency is still pretty important with the other 5 or 6 guys.  
 

Woody decided to go the route of adding 3 new staters and 2 or 3 more off the bench in the portal, and that’s on him. We’ll see how it plays out. 

In program instability it’s a way to buy time; expensive time.

[bigrod]

57 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Yep. Like I've said, imagine a good coach having this support instead of just trying to buy a team that not even Woodson can screw up.

I wanted Crean gone and the last two hires make him look good.

Woody, just needs to win. That's it. He needs to stop taking credit for minor victory (like winning the off season), and then stop acting like every failure has nothing to do with him. HE needs to put in the work instead of telling everyone else to work harder. Just win and make believers out of all of us faux fans.

[Hornsby]

Woody, just needs to win. That's it. He needs to stop taking credit for minor victory (like winning the off season), and then stop acting like every failure has nothing to do with him. HE needs to put in the work instead of telling everyone else to work harder. Just win and make believers out of all of us faux fans.

Yeah but you know darn well if one of these guys goes down with an injury early in he year what he will start saying. Injuries happen to every team but he really milks that excuse to death

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[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Anything less than 12-8 is a failure.  Frankly I think it should be higher than that with the amount of money he was gifted to save his @$$ this Spring, but anything less than that or a seed in the tournament higher than 6 should be viewed as a failure.

$6 mil to go 12-8.  YGTBSM.  That makes us Nebraska/Northwestern.  Should be no more than 4 losses.  

[Trish]

2 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

So the locker room ended up being fine, we kept all the valuable players and have performed remarkably well in the portal. Been a tough offseason for a few regulars in this thread.

The issue at hand is Woodson needs to get Indiana to a Sweet 16 or further. First and second round doesn’t get me up from bed. 

[Alford Bailey]

A portion of this fan base spent the last decade complaining because we wouldn’t “play$$$” the game. Now we have fans upset that we are winning the NIL game. “Just throwing money around”!  Yea that is how it works now and I’m glad we are throwing some muscle around.

[IUCrazy2]

28 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

$6 mil to go 12-8.  YGTBSM.  That makes us Nebraska/Northwestern.  Should be no more than 4 losses.  

I am saying fire him if he isn't at least that.  With the victory lap that they are doing on Twitter (that Tyme account is basically the coaching staff's voice) it should be 14.  However, if you set that as the floor there is no way he will get fired if he wins 12 or 13.  If he goes 11-9 or worse though....

[IUCrazy2]

15 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

A portion of this fan base spent the last decade complaining because we wouldn’t “play$$$” the game. Now we have fans upset that we are winning the NIL game. “Just throwing money around”!  Yea that is how it works now and I’m glad we are throwing some muscle around.

That isn't the argument.  Address the real complaint.

[Hornsby]

I am saying fire him if he isn't at least that.  With the victory lap that they are doing on Twitter (that Tyme account is basically the coaching staff's voice) it should be 14.  However, if you set that as the floor there is no way he will get fired if he wins 12 or 13.  If he goes 11-9 or worse though....

I notice some are already backtracking on expectations when someone says ok you are doing this victory lap but now Woodson must produce a sweet sixeteen. They want the victory lap without high expectations on twitter. Most of those dudes or burner accounts think going like 22-13 is a massive success.

 

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[JF87]

Fire/retire Woodson.  Our vast resources have allowed us to assemble talent that should finish in the top 3 in the Big Ten and a top 10 team nationally.  Purdue lost just 5 games this year.  With better overall talent Woodson will have at least 10 losses next year.   Adequate is not good enough. 

[Hornsby]

Fire/retire Woodson.  Our vast resources have allowed us to assemble talent that should finish in the top 3 in the Big Ten and a top 10 team nationally.  Purdue lost just 5 games this year.  With better overall talent Woodson will have at least 10 losses next year.   Adequate is not good enough. 

He should finish no worse than creans first zeller team which was 27-9 and made the sweet sixeteen. That was creans 4th year and he started with nothing in year one. Very reasonable expectation.

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[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, Alford Bailey said:

A portion of this fan base spent the last decade complaining because we wouldn’t “play$$$” the game. Now we have fans upset that we are winning the NIL game. “Just throwing money around”!  Yea that is how it works now and I’m glad we are throwing some muscle around.

But they are not the same people, are they?

[Golfman25]

11 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

He should finish no worse than creans first zeller team which was 27-9 and made the sweet sixeteen. That was creans 4th year and he started with nothing in year one. Very reasonable expectation.

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With all due respect to the dudes who gutted that first year out, Crean started with less than nothing.  
 

With the portal haul, Woodson needs to win the Big Ten and elite 8, minimum.  

[IUCrazy2]

1 hour ago, Hornsby said:

I notice some are already backtracking on expectations when someone says ok you are doing this victory lap but now Woodson must produce a sweet sixeteen. They want the victory lap without high expectations on twitter. Most of those dudes or burner accounts think going like 22-13 is a massive success.

 

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Yeah that is a nope from me.  I have been told that the Woodson system is going to be a winner at Indiana and we just had a player problem (sidebar: funny how guys like Tyme think it is a crime to talk bad about the staff or to question guys like Leal and his statements at senior night while they basically **** on the players for not being good enough to execute Woodson's brilliant strategy...I digress though).

So anyways, he got the money and they are claiming they now have the players and they have landed them in the way future rosters should be built (i.e. minimal HS recruits) then the expectation should be to win now.  He has 2 former Freshman of the year players on his team.  A super senior from Arizona. A Junior Reneau who at least offensively was a bucket.  He has dynamic guards.  He has another 5* HS wing.  He has a really good 6th man in Galloway.  If he drops another 22-12 TJD last season-esque performance then he is never going to be the dude.  It isn't worth wasting another year on a then 67 year old guy whose ceiling is mediocre even with a huge payroll.  12-8 is really pretty garbage based on how much bragging they are doing right now.  This isn't a 45 year old who has time to figure it out.  

[JSHoosier]

7 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

A portion of this fan base spent the last decade complaining because we wouldn’t “play$$$” the game. Now we have fans upset that we are winning the NIL game. “Just throwing money around”!  Yea that is how it works now and I’m glad we are throwing some muscle around.

I don't have a problem with them spending money. I have a problem that they're doing it so much now just to avoid having to admit it was a mistake to hire a guy no one else would've answered the phone for.

[AZ Hoosier]

13 hours ago, Alford Bailey said:

A portion of this fan base spent the last decade complaining because we wouldn’t “play$$$” the game. Now we have fans upset that we are winning the NIL game. “Just throwing money around”!  Yea that is how it works now and I’m glad we are throwing some muscle around.

Don't confuse a couple of billionaires' $2M with "muscle".

Woodson still has to coach this team (and there are still 3 open scholarships). So far, Woodson has not impressed me with his "work" this off-season - I'd expect the same results from 90% of the regulars on BTB with $6M to spend.

We get chastised for posting reality on the pro-Woodson threads... now we got the sunshine pumpers trying to pump in the Fire Woodson thread. 

FIRE MEDIOCRE MIKE WOODSON TODAY.

[JSHoosier]

39 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Don't confuse a couple of billionaire's $2M with "muscle".

Woodson still has to coach this team (and there are still 3 open scholarships). So far, Woodson has not impressed me with his "work" this off-season - I'd expect the same results from 90% of the regulars on BTB with $6M to spend.

We get chastised for posting reality on the pro-Woodson threads... now we got the sunshine pumpers trying to pump in the Fire Woodson thread. 

FIRE MEDIOCRE MIKE WOODSON TODAY.

And for billionaires 2m isn't a drop in the bucket.

Yep. He was always going to get players, no one said he wouldn't, especially with 6m to spend. He's still the same Mike Woodson that has admitted the 3 isn't a point of emphasis. The same Mike Woodson that got fired from the Knicks after his teams had the same problems we're seeing here, then never got another HC gig.

And if Chris is right that Woodson is already tired of this portal season it just shows he wants the NIL money to be a substitute for actually doing part of the job he was hired for.

[Geometry Hoosier]

I’ve seen you tube videos that say Mike Woodson is making magic and Mike Woodson is reloading. IMO Mike Woodson isn’t doing crap. The billionaire donors are making the magic and reloading for Mike Woodson. I don’t believe he could even field a competitive team without them. 

[Stuhoo]

4 hours ago, Geometry Hoosier said:

I’ve seen you tube videos that say Mike Woodson is making magic and Mike Woodson is reloading. IMO Mike Woodson isn’t doing crap. The billionaire donors are making the magic and reloading for Mike Woodson. I don’t believe he could even field a competitive team without them. 

Ummmmm…. Which coach are they willing to do that for? Most P5 teams have zillionaire donors. That budget still needs to attract talent.

Ballo apparently gave IU a discount over other programs so that he could play for Mike Woodson.