They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

@go iu bb had an excellent suggestion.  Move all the Wade, Brownell, etc. convo to the General Coach Candidate News thread.  Woody's getting angry that he hasn't been the major topic of conversation for the past several hours.

[rcbowla]

46 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

Is there a "Fire Cignetti" thread on the football board? Just curious.

If you win, the fans will support you. 

If you lose, they'll complain. It's very simple.

If Cignetti starts losing, people will turn on him, especially with his cockniness. People see it as confidence and swagger now. They'll like it a lot less if the football team is 2-9. Such is the life of a coach...

Don't you dare put that out there. Take it back!

[IUFAN1976]

People are so touchy on this board!  I say why don’t we wait until we find out who the actual candidates are before we determine who will get hired and won’t!  Sounds like a  plan to me!

[AH1971]

6 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

What is it that we've been doing the same for the past quarter century other than making bad hiring/firing decisions? 

What other part of the IU culture needs to change?

Is it the admin? AD? Basketball program? Coaching Staff? Trainers? Players? Fans?

We’ve never given a coach the chance to build, fail, learn, and then grow. We mock Purdue for many things, but look at Matt Painter.

He struggled his first couple seasons, put together 3 very solid seasons, then went through a 4 year stretch with no tournament wins and a dead last place finish in the B10 to building one of the most consistent programs in the country. But we have no interest in doing that.

[IUFAN1976]

2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

@go iu bb had an excellent suggestion.  Move all the Wade, Brownell, etc. convo to the General Coach Candidate News thread.  Woody's getting angry that he hasn't been the major topic of conversation for the past several hours.

I agree!  I see I didn’t miss much today while I was at work!  

[go iu bb]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

We’ve never given a coach the chance to build, fail, learn, and then grow. We mock Purdue for many things, but look at Matt Painter.

He struggled his first couple seasons, put together 3 very solid seasons, then went through a 4 year stretch with no tournament wins and a dead last place finish in the B10 to building one of the most consistent programs in the country. But we have no interest in doing that.

Crean says hello. You're talking out your a**.

There's another thread for talking about other coaches who may or may not become the next coach at IU. This topic is about firing Woodson.

[AH1971]

Just now, go iu bb said:

Crean says hello. You're talking out your a**.

Crean’s first 8-9 years very similar to Painter’s first 8-9 years. And Painter didn’t inherent a complete rebuild. Not talking out of my @$$ at all.

[Home Jersey]

Just now, AH1971 said:

We’ve never given a coach the chance to build, fail, learn, and then grow. We mock Purdue for many things, but look at Matt Painter.

 He struggled his first couple seasons, put together 3 very solid seasons, then went through a 4 year stretch with no tournament wins and a dead last place finish in the B10 to building one of the most consistent programs in the country. But we have no interest in doing that.

Gotcha. That's a more lucid POV... 

Crean's tenure is an interesting one to look at... 9 seasons, longest tenure post-Knight. 

Some people think he should've been gone sooner, others later. 

Do think there's some merit to the idea he could've gotten one more season to turn it around coming off 2 B10 titles in a 5 year period. 

But he had no momentum... it made more sense to cut ties... he clearly wasn't the guy. 

Do you think we'd be better off if we had kept Crean and just erased the Archie era from the history books? Assume not... 

Or do you think Archie should've had more time and if so, how much more?  

[IUFAN1976]

Can’t we all just get along, I thought we were on the same side!

[AZ Hoosier]

7 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

People are so touchy on this board!  I say why don’t we wait until we find out who the actual candidates are before we determine who will get hired and won’t!  Sounds like a  plan to me!

Agreed... and we still have a incompetent, entitled and arrogant man in the coaching position... let's start with getting him fired, first and foremost.

[Scotty R]

36 minutes ago, VFury said:

Look, I'm sure to some people here 1987 wasn't that long ago. But for people like me, who have never seen much success for such a historic program, a guy like Wade would win at a rate not seen in a long time. Fact is that we are no different than where Houston was before they took a chance on a 2 time cheater like Sampson.

I am one of the old timers who have seen 3 national championships and saw what made IU elite. It wasn't about out talenting teams but we were built on a foundation of toughness, hard work and playing the game the right way. We have went away from that foundation and culture that made IU who we were and it hasn't worked. It is time to get back to that foundation and culture of players who play hard and play with toughness. I am.tired of the portal and NIL and building our roster that way instead of building a roster through evaluation and developing. I guess maybe I am spoiled as an IU fan but any mention of coaches like Beard or Wade just infuriates me because they don't meet that foundation or culture that made IU great.

For you young guys if you want to see what IU culture was all about just watch Purdue tonight because that was how IU used to be built. I would assume for most of us older fans that is what upsets us as much as anything is seeing your biggest rival be what you use to be.

[Kentuckysucks]

19 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

That’s the problem. We determine a coach isn’t good because he doesn’t win overnight and then it’s over from there. Who thought after 3 seasons Crean was going to win two B10 titles and go to three S16’s in a 5 year period? If Crean was hired under normal circumstances he would have been long gone before then.

And he fell off the Earth at Georgia despite having arguably the best player in the nation for one season.  He now can’t get hired anywhere. Archie has been pretty mediocre at best at RI.  Again, we hire bad coaches and then keep them for far too long.

[Shooter]

26 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Curious to hear who you think IU goes after once Stevens and May say no? 

I'm not going to read the whole thread, but the frustrating thing is that Dusty May would not have said no 10 months ago, when I and many others wanted to get him. 

It was obvious where the Woodson era was heading. But we chose to draw it out to protect the vanity of a few old men in positions of power.

[Scotty R]

43 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

And you’d be firing off emails before he landed his first recruit.

Better than you coming here to troll and start arguments 

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, Shooter said:

I'm not going to read the whole thread, but the frustrating thing is that Dusty May would not have said no 10 months ago, when I and many others wanted to get him. 

It was obvious where the Woodson era was heading. But we chose to draw it out to protect the vanity of a few old men in positions of power.

100% spot on. That's why the frustration has boiled over for basically everyone this year. Toxic is right. 

[AZ Hoosier]

1 minute ago, Shooter said:

I'm not going to read the whole thread, but the frustrating thing is that Dusty May would not have said no 10 months ago, when I and many others wanted to get him. 

It was obvious where the Woodson era was heading. But we chose to draw it out to protect the vanity of a few old men in positions of power.

We didn't do anything. Quinn Buckner did. But at this point, it's water wine under the bridge.

[AH1971]

5 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Gotcha. That's a more lucid POV... 

Crean's tenure is an interesting one to look at... 9 seasons, longest tenure post-Knight. 

Some people think he should've been gone sooner, others later. 

Do think there's some merit to the idea he could've gotten one more season to turn it around coming off 2 B10 titles in a 5 year period. 

But he had no momentum... it made more sense to cut ties... he clearly wasn't the guy. 

Do you think we'd be better off if we had kept Crean and just erased the Archie era from the history books? Assume not... 

Or do you think Archie should've had more time and if so, how much more?  

Absolutely. IU lost its best player to injury mid-season and the wheels came completely off. Did not do a good job of replacing Yogi, Newkirk was a disaster.

As far as Archie goes, it didn’t matter. Lost the fan base after losing 12/13 games in year 2. He didn’t have a prayer after that. Was only a matter of time. 

[Shooter]

5 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I am one of the old timers who have seen 3 national championships and saw what made IU elite. It wasn't about out talenting teams but we were built on a foundation of toughness, hard work and playing the game the right way. We have went away from that foundation and culture that made IU who we were and it hasn't worked. It is time to get back to that foundation and culture of players who play hard and play with toughness. I am.tired of the portal and NIL and building our roster that way instead of building a roster through evaluation and developing. I guess maybe I am spoiled as an IU fan but any mention of coaches like Beard or Wade just infuriates me because they don't meet that foundation or culture that made IU great.

For you young guys if you want to see what IU culture was all about just watch Purdue tonight because that was how IU used to be built. I would assume for most of us older fans that is what upsets us as much as anything is seeing your biggest rival be what you use to be.

Matt Painter's absolute best quality is that he knows exactly what he is looking for in a player. He does not care at all about recruiting rankings. When he finds what he is looking for, he signs the kid up and develops him. I would so love for IU to be that kind of program again.

(I just threw up in my mouth a bit typing that)

[BleedCubbieBlue]

56 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

You don’t have a clue as to what you’re talking about. Wade won the SEC in his 2nd year. He was fired prior to the NCAAT in his 5th season.

That wouldn’t happen to be the same year that he was being suspended for making “strong-@ss offers” would it?

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

And he fell off the Earth at Georgia despite having arguably the best player in the nation for one season.  He now can’t get hired anywhere. Archie has been pretty mediocre at best at RI.  Again, we hire bad coaches and then keep them for far too long.

I don’t particularly care what he did at Georgia. We decided we were too good for S16’s and regular season B10 titles and haven’t sniffed either since.