They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[TheWatShot]

10 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

This is inline with my fear. I still don’t think we will make the tourney but it’s not out of the question given our talent to pull off a 11-9.

people think it’s bad optics to fire a guy after 3 years and not give him a 4th, I think the optics for a prospective replacement are far worse to fire a coach that made the tournament.

 

We were #15 preseason. That would usually mean an expectation of Sweet 16 or better. Something tells me the donors didn't give Woodson all that money just to go 11-9 and sneak in. 

[Uspshoosier]

3 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

This is inline with my fear. I still don’t think we will make the tourney but it’s not out of the question given our talent to pull off a 11-9.

people think it’s bad optics to fire a guy after 3 years and not give him a 4th, I think the optics for a prospective replacement are far worse to fire a coach that made the tournament.

 

I hear you but IU in my opinion is at a point of no return regardless of how the season ends.   I think Dolson gets to do his job afterwards and gets to hire someone that will be his guy.   Just making the tourney isn’t going to save him this year.   He will have to make a Final 4 type run to even be considered being brought back.    This is gone past just  wins and losses.   Its a train wreck all around the program and if we can see it and have been seeing it for a while now in my opinion Dolson has got to see it and understand that pretty much no matter what IU has to make a change.   And if we are all wrong then they can just go ahead and shut it all down until he is gone because as bad as people think it is now if Woodson is back next year double the optics of people not caring and cut the attendance of home games in half.   

[TheWatShot]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

And if we are all wrong then they can just go ahead and shut it all down until he is gone because as bad as people think it is now if Woodson is back next year double the optics of people not caring and cut the attendance of home games in half.   

But that would mean we gave him 5 years instead of just 4...just think of the optics! Everyone will respect us for being so patient, and the pool of candidates will be so much better because they'll have peace of mind that we'll give them all the time in the world to slowly kill the program and any remaining support it has. Who wouldn't want that? 

[Banksyrules]

Can’t wait till Woodson is gone. You know what they say……. Sixth time is the charm. 

[Muskie plays the four]

Trust the process. He played for Bobby and stuff. New IU hat for Christmas. I would like a new coach to go with it. 

[JSHoosier]

Just now, Muskie plays the four said:

Trust the process. He played for Bobby and stuff. New IU hat for Christmas. I would like a new coach to go with it. 

I won't spend a cent on IU gear until there's a new coach, I'm to the point even that may depend on if it looks like they were actually serious with the hire.

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Being out of Espns  bracketology is probably a good thing.  Lunardi doesn’t have his fast ball anymore and there are a bunch of better options to follow that would be more accurate.   I want him gone as bad as anybody however going 11-9 in the B1G would more than likely have them on the right side of the bubble.   B1G is by far the second best league this year and their success against every other conference besides the SEC will get more B1G teams in.   Iu has 18 B1G games left.  13 Q1, 3 Q2, and 2 Q3 games out of those 18.    If they win the 2 Q3 games then in the example of going 11-9 would mean 8 other B1G wins to get to 11 wins would be Mostly Q1 wins.    Again Woodson needs to go but the math will works itself out and if IU goes 11-9 in conference some of you would need to prepare for them being on the right side of the bubble.   Their SOS will only go up from here on out (108 overall now) and there non con sos will be in the mid 100s which would be fine for a bubble team or a lower seeded team.   Again not saying that’s what I want or agree with just giving you the view from a bracketologist point of view instead of a fan 

Good information.  By your info, 11-9 could but them in around 10-12 seed but they have a semi tough game coming up in Winthrop, if they lose that I would think that would put us on the left side of bubble going 11-9, maybe!

[Uspshoosier]

6 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

if they lose that I would think that would put us on the left side of bubble going 11-9, maybe!

Would depend on what those other 10 wins would end up being.   If those wins are against the top of the B1G and some are road games then they could lose to a team like Winthrop.    Teams on or near the bubble are there for a reason.   Most will have losses to teams like Winthrop.   All teams near the cut line will have flaws.   Would have to wait and see what the cut line looks like before anyone can make a guess on which teams are on the right or wrong side 

[AZ Hoosier]

26 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I won't spend a cent on IU gear until there's a new coach, I'm to the point even that may depend on if it looks like they were actually serious with the hire.

Yep. Been there for a year now... even passed on the schedule poster this year ... and I have every one going back to 1987... 

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Being out of Espns  bracketology is probably a good thing.  Lunardi doesn’t have his fast ball anymore and there are a bunch of better options to follow that would be more accurate.   I want him gone as bad as anybody however going 11-9 in the B1G would more than likely have them on the right side of the bubble.   B1G is by far the second best league this year and their success against every other conference besides the SEC will get more B1G teams in.   Iu has 18 B1G games left.  13 Q1, 3 Q2, and 2 Q3 games out of those 18.    If they win the 2 Q3 games then in the example of going 11-9 would mean 8 other B1G wins to get to 11 wins would be Mostly Q1 wins.    Again Woodson needs to go but the math will works itself out and if IU goes 11-9 in conference some of you would need to prepare for them being on the right side of the bubble.   Their SOS will only go up from here on out (108 overall now) and there non con sos will be in the mid 100s which would be fine for a bubble team or a lower seeded team.   Again not saying that’s what I want or agree with just giving you the view from a bracketologist point of view instead of a fan 

Why are you defending Woodson!? :)

[Scotty R]

1 hour ago, MikeRoberts said:

This is inline with my fear. I still don’t think we will make the tourney but it’s not out of the question given our talent to pull off a 11-9.

people think it’s bad optics to fire a guy after 3 years and not give him a 4th, I think the optics for a prospective replacement are far worse to fire a coach that made the tournament.

 

I know Davis wasn't actually fired but he resigned in a season where he got to the second round of the tournament. I would say that Davis was probably more told to resign so  it doesn't look as bad as getting fired.

[IUFAN1976]

32 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Would depend on what those other 10 wins would end up being.   If those wins are against the top of the B1G and some are road games then they could lose to a team like Winthrop.    Teams on or near the bubble are there for a reason.   Most will have losses to teams like Winthrop.   All teams near the cut line will have flaws.   Would have to wait and see what the cut line looks like before anyone can make a guess on which teams are on the right or wrong side 

Make sense!  Still a long season to go, I guess anything can happen.  I still will not root for us to lose, but still find it hard for them to part ways with Woodson if he makes the tournament, which will be 3 of 4 years he’s coached. I know we were preseason 15th and should be around a 4 seed, but ship has sailed, IMO and we will be lucky to get in as a 9-12 seed.   He will have a lot of excuses, including he had new players and it takes time to develop chemistry, that could persuade others to keep him for a 5th because he’s made the tournament 3 of 4 years.  I sure hope Stuhoo and others are correct, but firing a coach who made the tournament 3 of 4 years and he was from the IU fraternity, may not look good, just my opinion 

[Uspshoosier]

6 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

, but firing a coach who made the tournament 3 of 4 years and he was from the IU fraternity, may not look good,

If this was just about wins and losses then I agree it could be a bad look however ius and Woodys  problems is so much more then wins and losses.  At this point I don’t think it matters how it looks the program needs to move on and in my opinion they will be ready.   Making the tourney nowadays isn’t the benchmark it use to be in my opinion.   If he made it 3 out of 4 years but never made it to the second weekend in any appearance or gets blasted by another 20 pt loss in the first or second round it shouldn’t matter that he just made the tourney.    Being a bracketologist and seeing the resumes of the final 6 or teams is argument enough to shorten the field instead of expanding it like they want to.   I agree with Stuhoo on this one.  He is done after this year no matter what happens the rest of the year.   As the serial killer Trinity says in the show Dexter. “It’s already over” for Woody as coach that is 

[Golfman25]

51 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Good information.  By your info, 11-9 could but them in around 10-12 seed but they have a semi tough game coming up in Winthrop, if they lose that I would think that would put us on the left side of bubble going 11-9, maybe!

I don't see 11 conference wins.  Best case is going to be 10-10.  We have 9 conference home games left.  Which means we would need to beat #24 IL, #22 UCLA, #21 Purdon't (ranks as of today).  We also have the Dusty May Michigan express coming in.  At Iowa and at NW could be a challenge as well.  Plus we haven't beaten WI away in like forever, have we?  Given what we have seen to date, this season is a complete crapshoot (or crapfest).  

[IUFAN1976]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

If this was just about wins and losses then I agree it could be a bad look however ius and Woodys  problems is so much more then wins and losses.  At this point I don’t think it matters how it looks the program needs to move on and in my opinion they will be ready.   Making the tourney nowadays isn’t the benchmark it use to be in my opinion.   If he made it 3 out of 4 years but never made it to the second weekend in any appearance or gets blasted by another 20 pt loss in the first or second round it shouldn’t matter that he just made the tourney.    Being a bracketologist and seeing the resumes of the final 6 or teams is argument enough to shorten the field instead of expanding it like they want to.   I agree with Stuhoo on this one.  He is done after this year no matter what happens the rest of the year.   As the serial killer Trinity says in the show Dexter. “It’s already over” for Woody as coach that is 

I know this issue is much more than W & L’s because we all see it and it’s deep rooted with our program but outside the program a top tier coach maybe hesitant to consider it, unless Dolson and company are transparent about why they fired a coach who made the tournament 3 of 4 years and averaged about 20 wins per year.  This crap isn’t obvious to the non-IU fan or coach

[IUFAN1976]

4 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I don't see 11 conference wins.  Best case is going to be 10-10.  We have 9 conference home games left.  Which means we would need to beat #24 IL, #22 UCLA, #21 Purdon't (ranks as of today).  We also have the Dusty May Michigan express coming in.  At Iowa and at NW could be a challenge as well.  Plus we haven't beaten WI away in like forever, have we?  Given what we have seen to date, this season is a complete crapshoot (or crapfest).  

I say possible crapfest because he fluffed the schedule and put a lot on winning in the Bahamas, and based off that result, crapfest

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I know this issue is much more than W & L’s because we all see it and it’s deep rooted with our program but outside the program a top tier coach maybe hesitant to consider it, unless Dolson and company are transparent about why they fired a coach who made the tournament 3 of 4 years and averaged about 20 wins per year.  This crap isn’t obvious to the non-IU fan or coach

Any coach who is in line should have an idea of what Woodson has done here. Getting blown out on 2/3 of his P4 loses. Making the tournament, yes, but only securely one time followed by a quick exit via blow out each time. Never seriously competing for a B1G title, regular season or tournament. Archaic style that neither fans nor recruits like. Fans losing interest. And on and on. 

It doesn't take much research to find these things out of there not already known. If a coach can't be bothered to find those things out, he shouldn't be seriously considered.

IU expects more than squeaking into the tournament. If he doesn't think he can live to to the expectations of IU, he doesn't belong.

Also, putting them in the tournament this year is getting way ahead of ourselves.

[MikeRoberts]

Someone posted we were pre-season #15 so a projected 4 seed. As I and many said then, if this was Bill Self, kelvin Sampson, Izzo, Calipari, K etc with this roster, we would have been top 5. The voters and odds makers just didn’t have faith in Woodson and rightfully so

[go iu bb]

2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Someone posted we were pre-season #15 so a projected 4 seed. As I and many said then, if this was Bill Self, kelvin Sampson, Izzo, Calipari, K etc with this roster, we would have been top 5. The voters and odds makers just didn’t have faith in Woodson and rightfully so

Looks like even that was an overestimate of his capabilities.

[IUFAN1976]

10 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Any coach who is in line should have an idea of what wisdom has done here. Getting blown out on 2/3 of his P4 loses. Making the tournament, yes, but only securely one time followed by a quick exit via blow out each time. Never seriously competing for a B1G title, regular season or tournament. Archaic style that neither fans nor recruits like. Fans losing interest. And on and on. 

It doesn't take much research to find these things out of there not already known. If a coach can't be bothered to find those things out, he shouldn't be seriously considered.

IU expects more than squeaking into the tournament. If he doesn't think he can live to to the expectations of IU, he doesn't belong.

Also, putting them in the tournament this year is getting way ahead of ourselves.

We all know this but I fans of other college teams don’t know any of is going on.  When I tell them, they’re very very surprised.  I just don’t think it is that obvious to others.  I sure hope you are right!