They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[IUCrazy2]

4 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

MD didn't recruit Harangody until well into his SR year of HS. Let's not act like he was competent. 

I am not saying he was great.  I am saying that if you gave Mike Davis the equivalent of $6 million back then that he would be able to buy a team and put a better product on the floor than Woodson has.  I mean, low bar, he wasn't the guy for here but he did do things at places like UAB and Texas Southern that there is no way Woodson would have pulled off.

Mike Davis was mediocre.  Mike Woodson is somewhere below that.

[CSP]

13 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

I am not saying he was great.  I am saying that if you gave Mike Davis the equivalent of $6 million back then that he would be able to buy a team and put a better product on the floor than Woodson has.  I mean, low bar, he wasn't the guy for here but he did do things at places like UAB and Texas Southern that there is no way Woodson would have pulled off.

Mike Davis was mediocre.  Mike Woodson is somewhere below that.

I think they're both trash, as well as Archie. 

[IUCrazy2]

6 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

I think they're both trash, as well as Archie. 

Perhaps, but Davis was the better of the 3 (IMO).

I wouldn't want any of the 3 coaching here, only one of them maybe should have had a shot at the job (Miller, but he failed) and the other two shouldn't.  Out of the 3 though, Mike Davis was the best and it really isn't close.

[Hoosierfan2017]

Lmao dude ghosts for a month because he talked mad s*** throughout the offseason but his lord and savior hasn’t backed it up, and then he returns to dump on another coach for a 1 point loss to the undefeated #14 team in the country. 

[CSP]

1 minute ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Perhaps, but Davis was the better of the 3 (IMO).

I wouldn't want any of the 3 coaching here, only one of them maybe should have had a shot at the job (Miller, but he failed) and the other two shouldn't.  Out of the 3 though, Mike Davis was the best and it really isn't close.

I think Mike was just as bad as the others. Just lived off BK's remnants. We were just as poorly coached from game to game and he didn't recruit Harangody, which is an all-time blunder. 

Woodson's winning percentage at Indiana is better than MD's so it would be kinda crazy to make that "isn't really close argument." .593 vs .623 confirms that. 

[Pagoda]

34 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

I am not saying he was great.  I am saying that if you gave Mike Davis the equivalent of $6 million back then that he would be able to buy a team and put a better product on the floor than Woodson has.  I mean, low bar, he wasn't the guy for here but he did do things at places like UAB and Texas Southern that there is no way Woodson would have pulled off.

Mike Davis was mediocre.  Mike Woodson is somewhere below that.

People don’t appreciate the advantage of NIL for Woody.  Pre-NIL we didn’t pay players under the table much and we really did not compete with UK, Duke, KU, UNC, etc for recruits because they were getting more money to those players.

Now our money can get us involved with almost anyone, which is a huge change.  Woody still flubs the long-term recruitments because he sucks, but Mike, Tom, and Archie would never even have a shot at most of these guys because they couldn’t pay them.

It is hard to fathom how bad Woody is.  Could be among the 5-10 worst coaches in D1.

[CSP]

3 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

People don’t appreciate the advantage of NIL for Woody.  Pre-NIL we didn’t pay players under the table much and we really did not compete with UK, Duke, KU, UNC, etc for recruits because they were getting more money to those players.

Now our money can get us involved with almost anyone, which is a huge change.  Woody still flubs the long-term recruitments because he sucks, but Mike, Tom, and Archie would never even have a shot at most of these guys because they couldn’t pay them.

It is hard to fathom how bad Woody is.  Could be among the 5-10 worst coaches in D1.

Everyone has NIL, though. Like it isn't just us and while we might "have one of the biggest NILs", again, we aren't the only one with money. 

Isn't Kansas State paying gobs of NIL to people? 

Crean beat out UK and UNC for multiple recruits. 

I want Woodson gone as quickly as everyone, but you all are flat-out forgetting how terrible MD+Archie were. 

[Home Jersey]

15 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Woodson's winning percentage at Indiana is better than MD's so it would be kinda crazy to make that "isn't really close argument." .593 vs .623 confirms that. 

Let’s see how the rest of this season goes.

[CSP]

3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Let’s see how the rest of this season goes.

It's not going to change "that" much to back up, "Mike Davis was the best and it wasn't close". like cmon lol 

So that turd smelled better? No it didn't. 

Woodson didn't have the benefit of getting BK's players. 

[realTomCrean]

10 hours ago, AH1971 said:

This is an IU board, not a Michigan/Dusty Fan Club. 

[Home Jersey]

12 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

It's not going to change "that" much to back up, "Mike Davis was the best and it wasn't close". like cmon lol 

So that turd smelled better? No it didn't. 

Woodson didn't have the benefit of getting BK's players. 

Well if it drops below .593, using your logic, that turd will have smelled better… right?

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

You are correct the bar is about as low as it can be. 

Two things that I like about Dusty are he is constantly trying to learn more. The stories about watching European basketball at 3 AM to try to get a play to use and the other is his work ethic. He reminds me of Cig in that regard. He's going to be here at 4 Am and stay till 10:30. He's not going to be at his local hangout spot playing cards. He's always going to know who we play next. 

At least with him you know if they're not winning it's not for lack of effort. The same can't be said about the current or previous IU coaches.

[Pagoda]

11 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Everyone has NIL, though. Like it isn't just us and while we might "have one of the biggest NILs", again, we aren't the only one with money. 

Isn't Kansas State paying gobs of NIL to people? 

Crean beat out UK and UNC for multiple recruits. 

I want Woodson gone as quickly as everyone, but you all are flat-out forgetting how terrible MD+Archie were. 

We have top-5 NIL resources.  So there are probably 10 teams in our ballpark in terms of team payroll.  You can’t dismiss that.  An extra $1-1.5M of payroll is one or two very good to great players, which makes a massive difference. $2M extra payroll is 2-3 very good players.

MD, Tom, and Archie’s under the table “payroll” was tiny and nowhere near top-10.  We just didn’t do much of that, especially after probation.  They couldn’t just throw huge cash offers at players and become a finalist their recruitments.  Yea they still got some five stars, Indiana has some appeal, but it was much harder for them.

Agree MD and Archie were bad.  

[WeeDerkaNaut]

Woodson IS the worst coach in D1 and there's not even a debate. Only reason his record is that high is because of his weak scheduling decisions to prop himself up. His schedule both on court and in his lounge is full of cupcakes and wine(whining). Let's be real here please.

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

MD didn't recruit Harangody until well into his SR year of HS. Let's not act like he was competent. 

Yes, Davis was not a good coach. Let's not forget the Conley f-up that also lost any chance at Oden. 

[Hoosierfanyuh]

Dusty would also have WAY more resources ($, easy admissions) at IU. We wouldn’t have a Roddy Gayle as a starting guard

 

[CSP]

20 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

We have top-5 NIL resources.  So there are probably 10 teams in our ballpark in terms of team payroll.  You can’t dismiss that.  An extra $1-1.5M of payroll is one or two very good to great players, which makes a massive difference. $2M extra payroll is 2-3 very good players.

MD, Tom, and Archie’s under the table “payroll” was tiny and nowhere near top-10.  We just didn’t do much of that, especially after probation.  They couldn’t just throw huge cash offers at players and become a finalist their recruitments.  Yea they still got some five stars, Indiana has some appeal, but it was much harder for them.

Agree MD and Archie were bad.  

I am not dismissing anything "top 5" ok-- others still pay people. 

I am not buying recruiting guys to Indiana was ever hard. 

But it's especially hard when you don't offer/recruit LEGACY RECRUITS THAT TURN INTO MULTI-YEAR BIG EAST CONFERENCE POY..... as big of a joke as Woodson is recruiting-wise, and he is a massive one, Davis has the all-time recruiting blunder. 

So you can say the NIL this and that, that's fine, MD would have still had massive blunders, even with the cash. 

[CSP]

17 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Yes, Davis was not a good coach. Let's not forget the Conley f-up that also lost any chance at Oden. 

Forgot about that. Luke Zeller, Oden, and Conley wouldn't even look at us because of MD. 

[realTomCrean]

[realTomCrean]

It's Ben McCollum for me, Dusty, Brad S, Tom Crean, followed by the entirety of eligible D1 coaches, then Woodson for another year.