They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hoosier DaDa]

3 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Mike Woodson is a drunk that can’t get over a curb.  Coach Cig is a guy who just climbed Everest

I think this is the first time I seen somebody call him out for being a drunk. Is that a problem going on?

[Hornsby]

My guess is the king of Indiana isn't going anywhere on his own. He will dare dolson to fire him.

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[JF87]

17 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

I think this is the first time I seen somebody call him out for being a drunk. Is that a problem going on?

I don't think being drunk was the emphasis here.  I believe getting over a curb versus Everest was the point being made.  

[Hoosier DaDa]

1 minute ago, JF87 said:

I don't think being drunk was the emphasis here.  I believe getting over a curb versus Everest was the point being made.  

I think calling somebody a drunk is a big accusation.

[JF87]

2 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

I think calling somebody a drunk is a big accusation.

Brass Cannon can speak for himself, but I think you are reading way too much into it.  I don't think he was calling Woodson a drunk.  He was comparing Cignetti doing the extremely difficult (climbing Everest) to Woodson having difficulty doing something that should be easy, and he used the example of a drunk person stepping over the curb. 

[Hornsby]

I think calling somebody a drunk is a big accusation.

I am sure the cooks or simons could confirm since they bought themselves access to the king.

 

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[go iu bb]

37 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

I think this is the first time I seen somebody call him out for being a drunk. Is that a problem going on?

Do you think he's calling CCC a mountain climber? No, of course not. It's a metaphor, so is the part about Woodson.

[AZ Hoosier]

13 hours ago, Hornsby said:

My guess is the king of Indiana isn't going anywhere on his own. He will dare dolson to fire him.

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Well, then, Scotty better git 'er done.

[Hoosierfan2017]

42 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

I think calling somebody a drunk is a big accusation.

The King saves the alcohol for pizza night with the fellas at the hangout spot. He’s this terrible at coaching fully sober

[Hoosier DaDa]

35 minutes ago, JF87 said:

Brass Cannon can speak for himself, but I think you are reading way too much into it.  I don't think he was calling Woodson a drunk.  He was comparing Cignetti doing the extremely difficult (climbing Everest) to Woodson having difficulty doing something that should be easy, and he used the example of a drunk person stepping over the curb. 

After reviewing it now I see I miss took it.

[WeeDerkaNaut]

So we have Woodson and QB running our program into the ground roughly to the tune of 10 million dollars(four+ to Woody, six+ to NIL/portal) while laughing their way to the bank, their legacies and reputation be damned. There is a litany of issues surrounding Woodson's utter lack of college coaching abilities, his willingness to do what's required in recruiting and player development, and his refusal to learn or improve due to arrogance by narcissism, as in his mind he's "done his job" and it's our(not true fans) fault. Also the "young team" response that holds less water than a year old turd in the desert when we look at Louisville this year, who btw embarrassed us. New coach, whole new team of players, capable of doing that to us, the literal Six Million Dollar Man. That "hump" we're stuck on is full of wine and cigar smoke and if we want to get over it there are certain things that need to happen from the players AND the coaching staff, more on that below.

Next we have the donors who funded this mess. It would seem to me that they haven't cared at all about results as long as they get access to Woodson. Yay for them, they get to rub shoulders with the coach and a legacy player of old. Whether or not they begin to understand how that negatively affects the team as a whole due to eating up a coaches time who otherwise would or at least should be working his butt off to develop and build a winning program remains to be seen. Recruiting, player development, strategy development for beating your opponents, etc takes a ton of time and effort. I don't pretend to know how much access they want/require to cut a check but multiple people taking up the coaches time does not a winning program make. Do you want a winning team or access to the coach? Because you can't have both.

As far as the product we see on the court, a few changes I believe would make a massive difference. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong BUT our biggest pain point is our defense, or lack thereof, which stems from a lack of game planning and film study for scouting reports. Pi$$ poor planning provides pi$$ poor performance. Top teams are doing their homework on us and they will drown us in threes. Furthermore, we commit several senseless turnovers every game, which against good/great teams will result in giving up even more points in combination with our lack of defense. We cannot have multiple bigs on the floor at a time, as that results in more free threes as we have seen. We cannot rotate players in team a/team b style as we have seen historically from Woodson. You need a DEEP roster for that and even then it's not all that great in college ball. We are not consistent in our free throw shooting which is a lot of points left on the table and against better teams every point matters. There are other issues as well of course but those are the most glaring that will get exploited by better teams. 

Finally, we're now in a position where any coach we can potentially get is a risk. Stevens is highly unlikely considering where he's at and what he's doing now. Dusty May was more than likely our best option and those in charge passed on him and getting him to leave Michigan at this point is a toss up. If he has a great season this year, which is looking to be very likely, it may end up being fairly expensive to get him. McCollum has potential but there's a fair deal of risk there. 

Houston, we don't just have one problem, we have EVERY problem. Murphy's Law is our mantra right now, we need serious work to keep from sinking like the Titanic and duct tape and prayers aren't enough.

[choosierred1]

I think this is the first time I seen somebody call him out for being a drunk. Is that a problem going on?

Not from my perspective.

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[IUFAN1976]

8 minutes ago, WeeDerkaNaut said:

So we have Woodson and QB running our program into the ground roughly to the tune of 10 million dollars(four+ to Woody, six+ to NIL/portal) while laughing their way to the bank, their legacies and reputation be damned. There is a litany of issues surrounding Woodson's utter lack of college coaching abilities, his willingness to do what's required in recruiting and player development, and his refusal to learn or improve due to arrogance by narcissism, as in his mind he's "done his job" and it's our(not true fans) fault. Also the "young team" response that holds less water than a year old turd in the desert when we look at Louisville this year, who btw embarrassed us. New coach, whole new team of players, capable of doing that to us, the literal Six Million Dollar Man. That "hump" we're stuck on is full of wine and cigar smoke and if we want to get over it there are certain things that need to happen from the players AND the coaching staff, more on that below.

Next we have the donors who funded this mess. It would seem to me that they haven't cared at all about results as long as they get access to Woodson. Yay for them, they get to rub shoulders with the coach and a legacy player of old. Whether or not they begin to understand how that negatively affects the team as a whole due to eating up a coaches time who otherwise would or at least should be working his butt off to develop and build a winning program remains to be seen. Recruiting, player development, strategy development for beating your opponents, etc takes a ton of time and effort. I don't pretend to know how much access they want/require to cut a check but multiple people taking up the coaches time does not a winning program make. Do you want a winning team or access to the coach? Because you can't have both.

As far as the product we see on the court, a few changes I believe would make a massive difference. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong BUT our biggest pain point is our defense, or lack thereof, which stems from a lack of game planning and film study for scouting reports. Pi$$ poor planning provides pi$$ poor performance. Top teams are doing their homework on us and they will drown us in threes. Furthermore, we commit several senseless turnovers every game, which against good/great teams will result in giving up even more points in combination with our lack of defense. We cannot have multiple bigs on the floor at a time, as that results in more free threes as we have seen. We cannot rotate players in team a/team b style as we have seen historically from Woodson. You need a DEEP roster for that and even then it's not all that great in college ball. We are not consistent in our free throw shooting which is a lot of points left on the table and against better teams every point matters. There are other issues as well of course but those are the most glaring that will get exploited by better teams. 

Finally, we're now in a position where any coach we can potentially get is a risk. Stevens is highly unlikely considering where he's at and what he's doing now. Dusty May was more than likely our best option and those in charge passed on him and getting him to leave Michigan at this point is a toss up. If he has a great season this year, which is looking to be very likely, it may end up being fairly expensive to get him. McCollum has potential but there's a fair deal of risk there. 

Houston, we don't just have one problem, we have EVERY problem. Murphy's Law is our mantra right now, we need serious work to keep from sinking like the Titanic and duct tape and prayers aren't enough.

That about sums it up!

[WeeDerkaNaut]

5 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

That about sums it up!

Sadly no one in a position to do anything about it will see it, realize the chit our program is in and act accordingly. Ah well I can dream!

[bird4par]

52 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The King saves the alcohol for pizza night with the fellas at the hangout spot. He’s this terrible at coaching fully sober

Plus, the games he coaches are terrible to watch sober.  Hell, who am I kidding, they are terrible to watch while high also. 

[Rico]

36 minutes ago, WeeDerkaNaut said:

So we have Woodson and QB running our program into the ground roughly to the tune of 10 million dollars(four+ to Woody, six+ to NIL/portal) while laughing their way to the bank, their legacies and reputation be damned. There is a litany of issues surrounding Woodson's utter lack of college coaching abilities, his willingness to do what's required in recruiting and player development, and his refusal to learn or improve due to arrogance by narcissism, as in his mind he's "done his job" and it's our(not true fans) fault. Also the "young team" response that holds less water than a year old turd in the desert when we look at Louisville this year, who btw embarrassed us. New coach, whole new team of players, capable of doing that to us, the literal Six Million Dollar Man. That "hump" we're stuck on is full of wine and cigar smoke and if we want to get over it there are certain things that need to happen from the players AND the coaching staff, more on that below.

Next we have the donors who funded this mess. It would seem to me that they haven't cared at all about results as long as they get access to Woodson. Yay for them, they get to rub shoulders with the coach and a legacy player of old. Whether or not they begin to understand how that negatively affects the team as a whole due to eating up a coaches time who otherwise would or at least should be working his butt off to develop and build a winning program remains to be seen. Recruiting, player development, strategy development for beating your opponents, etc takes a ton of time and effort. I don't pretend to know how much access they want/require to cut a check but multiple people taking up the coaches time does not a winning program make. Do you want a winning team or access to the coach? Because you can't have both.

As far as the product we see on the court, a few changes I believe would make a massive difference. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong BUT our biggest pain point is our defense, or lack thereof, which stems from a lack of game planning and film study for scouting reports. Pi$$ poor planning provides pi$$ poor performance. Top teams are doing their homework on us and they will drown us in threes. Furthermore, we commit several senseless turnovers every game, which against good/great teams will result in giving up even more points in combination with our lack of defense. We cannot have multiple bigs on the floor at a time, as that results in more free threes as we have seen. We cannot rotate players in team a/team b style as we have seen historically from Woodson. You need a DEEP roster for that and even then it's not all that great in college ball. We are not consistent in our free throw shooting which is a lot of points left on the table and against better teams every point matters. There are other issues as well of course but those are the most glaring that will get exploited by better teams. 

Finally, we're now in a position where any coach we can potentially get is a risk. Stevens is highly unlikely considering where he's at and what he's doing now. Dusty May was more than likely our best option and those in charge passed on him and getting him to leave Michigan at this point is a toss up. If he has a great season this year, which is looking to be very likely, it may end up being fairly expensive to get him. McCollum has potential but there's a fair deal of risk there. 

Houston, we don't just have one problem, we have EVERY problem. Murphy's Law is our mantra right now, we need serious work to keep from sinking like the Titanic and duct tape and prayers aren't enough.

Go Hoosiers!

[HoosierHoopster]

21 minutes ago, bird4par said:

Plus, the games he coaches are terrible to watch sober.  Hell, who am I kidding, they are terrible to watch while high also. 

Maybe if you get drunk and high?

[go iu bb]

5 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Mike Woodson is a drunk that can’t get over a curb.  Coach Cig is a guy who just climbed Everest

 

2 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Maybe if you get drunk and high?

Good thing BC said that Woodson is a drunk and CCC climbs the largest mountain... oh, you mean a different high. Well, anyways, if we combine the two we might have a good basketball coach. Take Woodson's coaching prowess, work ethic, willingness to adapt and listen to assistants and combine that with Cignetti's basketball knowledge.... hmm, maybe not that combo. Woodson's basketball knowledge combined with Cignetti's coaching ability, work ethic, willingness to adapt and listen to assistants? That might work.

[bird4par]

9 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Maybe if you get drunk and high?

Negative. 

[Hornsby]

So we have Woodson and QB running our program into the ground roughly to the tune of 10 million dollars(four+ to Woody, six+ to NIL/portal) while laughing their way to the bank, their legacies and reputation be damned. There is a litany of issues surrounding Woodson's utter lack of college coaching abilities, his willingness to do what's required in recruiting and player development, and his refusal to learn or improve due to arrogance by narcissism, as in his mind he's "done his job" and it's our(not true fans) fault. Also the "young team" response that holds less water than a year old turd in the desert when we look at Louisville this year, who btw embarrassed us. New coach, whole new team of players, capable of doing that to us, the literal Six Million Dollar Man. That "hump" we're stuck on is full of wine and cigar smoke and if we want to get over it there are certain things that need to happen from the players AND the coaching staff, more on that below.
Next we have the donors who funded this mess. It would seem to me that they haven't cared at all about results as long as they get access to Woodson. Yay for them, they get to rub shoulders with the coach and a legacy player of old. Whether or not they begin to understand how that negatively affects the team as a whole due to eating up a coaches time who otherwise would or at least should be working his butt off to develop and build a winning program remains to be seen. Recruiting, player development, strategy development for beating your opponents, etc takes a ton of time and effort. I don't pretend to know how much access they want/require to cut a check but multiple people taking up the coaches time does not a winning program make. Do you want a winning team or access to the coach? Because you can't have both.
As far as the product we see on the court, a few changes I believe would make a massive difference. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong BUT our biggest pain point is our defense, or lack thereof, which stems from a lack of game planning and film study for scouting reports. Pi$$ poor planning provides pi$$ poor performance. Top teams are doing their homework on us and they will drown us in threes. Furthermore, we commit several senseless turnovers every game, which against good/great teams will result in giving up even more points in combination with our lack of defense. We cannot have multiple bigs on the floor at a time, as that results in more free threes as we have seen. We cannot rotate players in team a/team b style as we have seen historically from Woodson. You need a DEEP roster for that and even then it's not all that great in college ball. We are not consistent in our free throw shooting which is a lot of points left on the table and against better teams every point matters. There are other issues as well of course but those are the most glaring that will get exploited by better teams. 
Finally, we're now in a position where any coach we can potentially get is a risk. Stevens is highly unlikely considering where he's at and what he's doing now. Dusty May was more than likely our best option and those in charge passed on him and getting him to leave Michigan at this point is a toss up. If he has a great season this year, which is looking to be very likely, it may end up being fairly expensive to get him. McCollum has potential but there's a fair deal of risk there. 
Houston, we don't just have one problem, we have EVERY problem. Murphy's Law is our mantra right now, we need serious work to keep from sinking like the Titanic and duct tape and prayers aren't enough.

Yep it was all about access. If they cared about winning they would never have bailed him out.

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