Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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OSU is the first Domino - UofL, UM next? Gonna be hard for IU to compete in the coaching market if we wait...
 

But we will wait like always

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3 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

He would be Gabe Cupps in our offense.  I don't think all of our guards just are going off script and doing the opposite of what they are coached to do.  If they have a guy closing on them at the 3 line, they are told to shot fake and take a dribble or two inside the arc and shoot.  They all do it, that is coaching.  I think Adragna posted something last week on Twitter that had fast break 3's and 3's that were the result of a pass out from the post as two types of three point shots we had the best percentage of hitting.  We have 2 centers that rarely kick the ball out and we never run.  That is coaching.

I think Essegian would be a nice bench piece on a system team.  Indiana is not that nor is it likely to be that while Woodson is here.  We are Mercenary U and the transfer portal will be our free agency.  We are also likely to be a +/- 3 20-10 team every year with that philosophy.  And the University will love that because that is just good enough to keep all the schmuck fans on the hook to keep giving them money.

I fully believe the only reason we made a move in football this year is because they got scared enough with all the conference realignment to realize their Big Ten gravy train was in jeopardy if they didn't start to take that more seriously.  Indiana doesn't care about winning, they care about money.  They haven't figured out that a whole lot of the former is what led to the latter current situation they find themselves in.  The people currently running it into the ground (if they are still around) are in for a rude awakening when the Boomers and Old Gen X alumni are truly replaced by Millenial and younger fans who have had a mediocre to sh*t product their entire lives.  That is when all the money dries up.  When all those older casual fans who maybe never even had a tie to IU are gone.

He would be Gabe Cupps in our offense? I don't see that their games are anything a like. 

CE is better to quite a bit better than CJ Gunn. 

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Just now, ISP said:

 

Nate Oates is hilarious. 

I would think Sean Miller would have the inside track at that job. I feel like that would make sense. 

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46 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Not what you said but ok. 
 

It is a solid data point. Would be nice if we put same thoughts into all data points. We don’t do that often around here. We go with gut. Or “IU fans know ball” 
 

My problem with May is not enough data. The data set is too small. That data could change fast with a flame out down the stretch. Then he is gone and the clock starts again wherever he is.

Same with Schertz in this data set. But his D2 stuff is very, very intriguing and enough data there to show he is probably the real deal. 

Did Schertz loss last night change your "data"?

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13 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

OSU is the first Domino - UofL, UM next? Gonna be hard for IU to compete in the coaching market if we wait...
 

Wittman or Alford will always be available in 2025

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6 minutes ago, ISP said:

 

With McDermott, is he thinking of a UNC-Roy Williams type of situation -- you'll say no once, but not twice? 

Didn't they offer McDermott the last time, but he said no. Or maybe he had even agreed to the job, but backed out? Pretty sure it was something like that. 

I'm old -- my memory is fading. LOL. 

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3 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

I'm just impressed how this thread is basically being constantly posted on every 15 mins or less (except for like 2am-7am EST) - to the tune of 84+ pages in less than 2 weeks - on literally zero actual "news" lol

I know. I’ve watched IU basketball for the last 25 years and the only question is whether he gets a 5th year or not. A 4th is his if he wants it. 

3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

1) Doesn't matter. Every year there will be mid-major coaches that get a double check+.

2) Yes; until after our last game of this season, or a sooner if Woody has already told Dolson that he will be done after  this season.

I think your blurring perception vs. reality. 
 

Your right that to the fans, every year they will perceive that there are x, y, and z hot young coaches out there.  Archie miller is a good example. 
 

But the reality is that they do not come along very often. Definitely not every year. If you think your guy is available in a particular year, you make it happen or the window closes forever. 

2 hours ago, cybergates said:

Article when Woodson was fired from the Hawks...

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=5188712

Woodson felt he deserved a chance to return after the Hawks became just the seventh team in NBA history to win more games than the previous season for five straight years.

But it was clear that some players had tuned him out, especially in the playoffs. Atlanta struggled to beat a short-handed Milwaukee team in the opening round, rallying from a 3-2 deficit to win in seven games. Then came a total rout in the conference semifinals.

That happens in the NBA frequently. Larry Bird said it when he fired Carlisle and said that’s why he (Bird) quit himself. It was rumored that’s why Stevens stepped down, too.  
 

Dealing with 20-somethings worth 9 figures is hard. Woodys coaching problems run much deeper than that. 

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12 minutes ago, ISP said:

 

That’s a pretty nice list. 

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2 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

You could tell he had a massive ego from the jump how he always talked about himself in 3rd person.  Like him detailing his initial interview with Dolson.  "Scott wanted to do a Zoom.  I told him if you want to talk to Mike Woodson you gotta fly out to Mike Woodson.  Or you can fly Mike Woodson out to you.  Mike Woodson doesn't do zoom or phone calls".  Something like that.  He's not going to change.

“Jimmy doesn’t Iike misunderstandings!”

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18 minutes ago, btownqb said:

He would be Gabe Cupps in our offense? I don't see that their games are anything a like. 

CE is better to quite a bit better than CJ Gunn. 

Not saying their games are alike, I am saying that he would be told to do exactly what Gabe is told to do.  That would render him mostly ineffective.

Watch Gunn leave and go someplace and put up numbers like Bates has since leaving.  I don't think all the players are the problem.  Which is why Essegian would struggle in the system like Cupps has.  

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9 minutes ago, RoadRage said:

“Jimmy doesn’t Iike misunderstandings!”

"Gator don't play no s***" 

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3 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Well, Trilly who some here think is full of it, stated in a private chat that May would leave any school for IU when open outside of a Duke type. That is where it is coming from. He said it is the “worst kept secret in all of ball on how bad he wants it.” He later said yes, he would see him leave an OSU etc to come to IU a year or 2 later.

If OSU hired him they would insist on an insanely massive buyout should he ever leave for the IU job.  They aren't stupid in Columbus like Surfboard was with Sharon Versyp.

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5 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Not saying their games are alike, I am saying that he would be told to do exactly what Gabe is told to do.  That would render him mostly ineffective.

Watch Gunn leave and go someplace and put up numbers like Bates has since leaving.  I don't think all the players are the problem.  Which is why Essegian would struggle in the system like Cupps has.  

Missouri is 8-16 lol with a loss to Jackson St. They are currently 0-11 in SEC games. 

Cool. Tamar wanted to be a big fish in a little pond. He's also avg over 4 TOs per game his last 4 games. Looks like Missouris system is failing. 

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7 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Nope, here is why. His D2 data is better than all of May’s D1 data. 

Does your "data" tell you that Dusty has beaten more tournament teams in the last two years than Schertz has coached against in his entire career? 

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1 hour ago, HoosierMatty said:

If I was AD I wouldn't give him another year unless he had an actionable plan with changes that are needed. That should include hiring an assistant to teach an offense if he can't make the needed changes.

Good coaches hire assistants to handle weak points in their game. Look at Beilen when he hired an assistant to run his defense. Crean could have benefited from that as well. But I get it many coaches can't do it because their ego is too big.

If he can't show or agree to changes you cut the cord. 

 

Phil Jackson, who was mentioned here, had Tex Winter -- the triple post offense guru -- when he started.  

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40 minutes ago, SamIam said:

Just social media hearsay but I keep seeing fans of teams with open jobs saying they don't want May since he would just leave for IU. If it's true that people know he wants IU, maybe that's something AD's take into consideration.

I talked to someone on my lunch walk, that is pretty connected to Dusty and he said that money is not a big thing for Dusty and that they enjoy living in Florida for now. He's waiting for the "right" job to open. 

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7 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Well, Trilly who some here think is full of it, stated in a private chat that May would leave any school for IU when open outside of a Duke type. That is where it is coming from. He said it is the “worst kept secret in all of ball on how bad he wants it.” He later said yes, he would see him leave an OSU etc to come to IU a year or 2 later.

Wonder why Trilly put May in OSU’s list.  Don’t remember him being a manager there, so there must be some other reason.  

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31 minutes ago, ISP said:

 

I'm too lazy to look but if my memory serves correctly Oats, McDermott and Moser have pretty big buyouts. Which might not be a big thing to OSU

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39 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

OSU is the first Domino - UofL, UM next? Gonna be hard for IU to compete in the coaching market if we wait...
 

I still worry more about Miami or Florida State if Larranaga or Leonard Hamilton retire.