Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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How can you watch a game like UM and Arkansas, then watch the king of Indiana’s brand and think, “Yeah, this is it”?

Fire Mike Woodson!


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Went to a high school game tonight. One team played 4 out and the other 5 out. It was sloppy and lazy and fundamentals were severely lacking, but the general movement, decisiveness, and pace of both squads marked a real contrast with Woodson's "system." 

Really disappointing to see the game evolve at the high school level but not at IU. 

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9 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

For years, a large group of fans, warned that apathy was creeping into the program. Those warnings were often met with laughs or dismissed by Fans who blindly supported every decision the program has made, no matter the results. 

Now it seems those warnings are becoming reality. The hiring of Curt Cignetti and his immediate success on the football field has given fans something else to focus on. Something more functional, exciting, and rewarding than the dysfunction in the basketball program. 

Spot on.  Even if the FB team won just eight games this year, I think this would still be happening.  We have a FB program that is confident, unafraid, putting forward maximum effort, playing smart, and rejecting all excuses.  And they're doing this at a historically very bad program.  Personally that is all I can ask for, so even when they lose, I don't mind because I know it was a serious best effort worthy of support.

It's almost the total opposite with the bball program.  I'm not seeing basic efforts put forward in all sorts of areas, mostly with the staff, which is covered in this thread.  And for me and many others this breaks the implicit pact with team and the students/alumni/fans, and thus we see a pretty empty AH and declining interest.  And it's not a high bar to get the fans excited, so when they aren't, something is very wrong.

[IUFAN1976 2,985]

10 hours ago, Chris007 said:

It’s a fun style, has IU ties and wants to be great.

Isn’t his buyout low after year 1 but goes up after that?

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10 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

For years, a large group of fans, warned that apathy was creeping into the program. Those warnings were often met with laughs or dismissed by Fans who blindly supported every decision the program has made, no matter the results. 

Now it seems those warnings are becoming reality. The hiring of Curt Cignetti and his immediate success on the football field has given fans something else to focus on. Something more functional, exciting, and rewarding than the dysfunction in the basketball program. 
 

The usual excuses for the basketball program no longer hold weight. The curtain has fallen and the truth is hard to ignore. To me this feels like karmic justice. Cignetti had to fight for fan support, practically begging people to show up and back the team. What did it take? Winning! Immediately. At Indiana. In football. That’s historically unheard of. 
 

Basketball never had to fight for that support. Fans have always bought into the manufactured hype, paid their money, and showed up. No matter what. But Mike Woodson hasn’t done anything to earn that blind loyalty. He hasn’t done enough to “put ***** in the seats”, and honestly, I’m fine with that. He finds himself in this situation where fans aren’t showing up because it’s deserved. 
 

“Build it and they will come.” -Curt Cignetti

 

This philosophy should hold true for the basketball program too. Fans deserve a program worth their time, money, and passion. Maybe it means I’m not a “true fan” but I’m hoping that the fans are actually holding those in charge accountable to finally deliver a winner. 

 

 

 

With all the crap that has been discussed/reported on this board, Hoosier Hysterics, and many other media outlets, not to mention the “I done my job” and True Fan comments he made last year, fans have grown tired of the mediocre basketball program, along with their current mediocre coach.  It will take a great hire to inject energy from the fanbase back into the program.  The Administration has taken fans for granted for years, and now we are seeing fans fight back by not attending games!

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38 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Isn’t his buyout low after year 1 but goes up after that?

I don't know but that would be interesting if that's the case.

[Rico 3,005]

Woodson sucks!

 

 

carry on.....

[Ryno6284 2,643]

Dusty May’s buyout

 

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55 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Isn’t his buyout low after year 1 but goes up after that?

I don't think so. I looked and it drops annually.

24-24: 5m

25-26: 4m

26-27: 2m

27-28: 1m

28-29: 500k

[HoosierMatty 457]

Maybe Dusty wouldn't leave after a year, but one has to wonder why his buyout is so low if we wasn't eyeing to leave at some point. Michigan seems ok with it. From their standpoint they probably didn't want the buyout high in case he was a bust. And if he turns out to be a home run hire they can easily renegotiate.

Either way I don't think it will be easy to get him after a year. I look at it like Brohm taking the Louisville Job. Yeah he probably still wants the IU job but he may not want to leave after year.

Once again our timing sucks because our administration sits around with their thumbs up their butts. No sense of urgency to get things right. If we pulled the trigger earlier on Davis we could have got Matta. If we got rid of Crean sooner maybe would have got Brad Stevens.

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42 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

Dusty May’s buyout

 

Peanuts. Still not sure he does a one year jump from one big job to another in conference, which would be pretty unprecedented I think.
 

But that’s chicken feed if IU decides to be serious and buyout a coach other teams actually want. Instead of, ya know, hiring someone no one wanted as a head coach. 

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5 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Peanuts. Still not sure he does a one year jump from one big job to another in conference, which would be pretty unprecedented I think.
 

But that’s chicken feed if IU decides to be serious and buyout a coach other teams actually want. Instead of, ya know, hiring someone no one wanted as a head coach. 

I wonder if he knows Todd Yeagley at all.  Todd was probably at IU when Dusty was and could let him know what it was like going from one BT school to his dream school.  Granted soccer is not as high profile as basketball.

[AKHoosier 6,804]

Do the amount of turnovers his teams have worry anyone about Dusty? 

They average about 15 per game now, I'd have to go through the data to see how his FAU teams did to see if there's a pattern. 

I'd still take him regardless. 

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49 minutes ago, HoosierMatty said:

Maybe Dusty wouldn't leave after a year, but one has to wonder why his buyout is so low if we wasn't eyeing to leave at some point. Michigan seems ok with it. From their standpoint they probably didn't want the buyout high in case he was a bust. And if he turns out to be a home run hire they can easily renegotiate.

Either way I don't think it will be easy to get him after a year. I look at it like Brohm taking the Louisville Job. Yeah he probably still wants the IU job but he may not want to leave after year.

Once again our timing sucks because our administration sits around with their thumbs up their butts. No sense of urgency to get things right. If we pulled the trigger earlier on Davis we could have got Matta. If we got rid of Crean sooner maybe would have got Brad Stevens.

Versyp left IU for PU after a year.  Beard left TT for UT.  It’s not unprecedented.

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1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I don't know but that would be interesting if that's the case.

I thought it was 5 million, which is not that much for a donor to come up with.

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39 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Do the amount of turnovers his teams have worry anyone about Dusty? 

They average about 15 per game now, I'd have to go through the data to see how his FAU teams did to see if there's a pattern. 

I'd still take him regardless. 

About the same as our current team, but could be because of team chemistry 

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How can you watch a game like UM and Arkansas, then watch the king of Indiana’s brand and think, “Yeah, this is it”?

Fire Mike Woodson!


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The king is going to take michigan down hard. Wolf will be no match for the king. Lol.

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With all the crap that has been discussed/reported on this board, Hoosier Hysterics, and many other media outlets, not to mention the “I done my job” and True Fan comments he made last year, fans have grown tired of the mediocre basketball program, along with their current mediocre coach.  It will take a great hire to inject energy from the fanbase back into the program.  The Administration has taken fans for granted for years, and now we are seeing fans fight back by not attending games!

His arrogance and trashing of the fans have only made it worse. I am guessing if the king is brought back we will 100% be a football school. Basketball will be an afterthought.

 

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3 hours ago, Ryno6284 said:

Dusty May’s buyout

 

IU can afford it...

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1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Versyp left IU for PU after a year.  Beard left TT for UT.  It’s not unprecedented.

Agree, but still think it's highly unlikely. Won't hold my breath, but won't rule it out either.