Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[IUrocker 2,267]

I know before the OSU game there were some on here who thought Mike Woodson won’t coach another game in Assembly Hall. Since we managed to escape by the hair of our chinny chin chin with a win, do we still think there’s a chance he won’t coach again at home? I think fans are to the point where it really doesn’t matter that we happened to win that game. Fans are still displeased with what’s going on and I think would still show their disappointment even though we won our last game. 

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40 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Mgbako had been committed to Duke for months before choosing to decommit because Filipowski opted to return for his second year. 

Reneau decommitted from Florida because Mike White left for Georgia. He had no shortage of suitors. 

The right coach could definitely put these guys in a better position to succeed. It had nothing to do with schools staying away from them. 

I’m aware of the circumstances. Why IU? We didn’t have a long recruitment history with any of them necessarily that I’m aware of- maybe we did. In the end I’m guessing it came down to money and we offered the most. Tucker is the case that seems most pronounced to me. I think he has some promise as a player, but he didn’t fit a need that we had at all. We needed three point shooting and he isn’t that. If he did his homework, he should have been able to see that our offense is dog water for a player like him. If I was a player considering IU with Woody in charge it only makes sense from a basketball perspective if I am a big wanting touches or a pt guard to wants the ball in my hand all the time. 

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1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

They are all Q1 losses as of now.   Committee just sees losses to good teams mostly away from home while the fan invested sees a horrific performance by the team the love.    IU is currently in the last 4 in to first 4 or next 4 out range with the resume they currently have.  Add 5 more Q1 and Q2 wins and they would be closer to the right side then people think or would want.   Bottom of the side lines with those last 4 in teams are always going to have shaky resumes and if IU shows up with no Q3 losses and the amount of Q1 and 2 wins they will have they will be in consideration.  Their resume isn’t comparing with the Auburn, Bama, Duke or anyone on the top of the bracket like it should be it would be compared with teams that will have flaws 

Not necessarily, computer wise. 10+pt, 15+pt losses are different data than a 2pt loss. 

Furthermore, Q1, sure... but OSU, Nebraska, and Iowa aren't going to end up T30... 

I dont think our NET gets to where it needs to be, even if we go 11-9. 

It's a disgusting topic to have to discuss. 

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15 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Be still my beating heart.

@ least it wasn’t a bottle of blue pills lol

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,414]

18-20 yr old mercenaries? Lol such an odd term. 

[Napleshoosier 10,424]

In Brad we trust!  :)

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,414]

We aren't winning 5 or 6 more Q1 games this year.  No way

Predicted to lose the next 5 on FPI 

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42 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Exactly. Both of these guys (and many others on teams under Woodson's tenure) could have benefited from some serious coaching. Apart from the hubris and ego-related stuff, Woodson's biggest downfall is that he can't coach/develop players. He's stuck in the '80s NBA style with multiple bigs clogging things up and no focus on outside shooters. 

It's not surprising that with Reneau's absence due to injury, the team seems to be playing better with the middle opened up.

There are a lot of reasons Woodson’s should be gone, and I agree that his style of play is not where today’s game is. However to say that guys haven’t developed under him, at least the bigs, is patently false.

TJD became a much better player under Woodson. Race as well, to a lesser extent. Ware went from being non-motivated and a waste to a 1st round draft pick. Reneau has improved in his 3 years here.

As I said, there are so many reasons why we need a coaching change. Don’t need to invent stuff to make a case.

[IUHAHN81 2,278]

To paraphrase Kurt Russell in Tombstone, Woody is telling everyone, "You tell um I'm comin', and losses are comin' with me!" 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,891]

3 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

While I wouldn't go so far as saying villains, I think they've shown that whatever love they have for the program is secondary to their personal interests.

When it comes to being coach, I don't give a crap about Woodson's legacy as a player; he deserves to be fired not a save face retirement. He should've been fired last year but IU loves to give crappy coaches too long because they care about optics to the detriment of the program.

I know villain sounds harsh. But the only Quinn Buckner I know is the guy who forced IU to hire his completely unqualified buddy and then forced IU to retain said unqualified buddy for a fourth season instead of hiring Dusty or Pearl. Mike Woodson is the guy that has halfa**ed his head coaching job for four seasons and intentionally drove a massive wedge in the fanbase because he didn’t meet expectations. 

They’ve written their stories for the under 50 crowd, and they're not pretty ones. 

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3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I know villain sounds harsh. But the only Quinn Buckner I know is the guy who forced IU to hire his completely unqualified buddy and then forced IU to retain said unqualified buddy for a fourth season instead of hiring Dusty or Pearl. Mike Woodson is the guy that has halfa**ed his head coaching job for four seasons and intentionally drove a massive wedge in the fanbase because he didn’t meet expectations. 

They’ve written their stories for the under 50 crowd, and they're not pretty ones. 

Oh I definitely agree the younger crowd remembers them more for what's happened recently; the players exist only in dusty black & white photos to them.

Woodson had already shown he's a lousy coach, but Buckner wanted his buddy to be IU HC regardless of what it meant for the program (and if he didn’t see Woodson was a lousy coach it just shows he had no business being involved at all). Woodson wanted to be IU HC regardless of what happened or he would've resigned by now, he wanted to be HC didn't need to put in the work because friends were/are protecting him. Personal interest over the program; ironic since we've said they didn't want someone bigger than the program after RMK.

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36 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

There are a lot of reasons Woodson’s should be gone, and I agree that his style of play is not where today’s game is. However to say that guys haven’t developed under him, at least the bigs, is patently false.

TJD became a much better player under Woodson. Race as well, to a lesser extent. Ware went from being non-motivated and a waste to a 1st round draft pick. Reneau has improved in his 3 years here.

As I said, there are so many reasons why we need a coaching change. Don’t need to invent stuff to make a case.

Uh, you seemed to ignore the rest of the poster's statement, especially the part about Woody's style of play. 

But let's talk about player development. In the 4 years that Woody has been here, what players have show significant improvement? Sure, TJD and Ware showed improvement. Absolutely. But you're also talking about high-level elite talent there.  You could also argue that Race showed <some> improvement. Not a lot, but some.

Who else? MM started to a bit offensively, but fell off a cliff and still can't defend, rebound or play D.

What's amazing to me is that Woody was an elite college guard and long-time NBA guard, yet he has shown very little ability to improve his backcourt players. Is Rice any better than he was at the start of the year? KC? Galloway seemed to improve and turn a corner, but has regressed recently. Leal? Obviously he shows Woody nothing in practice as he has barely gotten any minutes in 4 years. X? Nah. He was inconsistent and only showed flashes his entire career (even when he was actually healthy). 

We have, however, seen a few players who left IU and have seen some improvement and success elsewhere. That means that Woody either was not developing them or not using them correctly.

As bad as Woody has shown himself to be as a game coach (during the game and game prep), he certainly has not shown himself to be any kind of savant when it comes to player development either. Criticism in that area is fair as well.  

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32 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

There are a lot of reasons Woodson’s should be gone, and I agree that his style of play is not where today’s game is. However to say that guys haven’t developed under him, at least the bigs, is patently false.

TJD became a much better player under Woodson. Race as well, to a lesser extent. Ware went from being non-motivated and a waste to a 1st round draft pick. Reneau has improved in his 3 years here.

As I said, there are so many reasons why we need a coaching change. Don’t need to invent stuff to make a case.

I'll give you TJD... and Ware to some extent... but where Ware "developed" was shedding the laziness that he showed at Oregon and becoming more active and aggressive.

I would argue that for every plus that there are multiple negatives... look at the guys here who have regressed or not made strides forward: Mgbako, Reneau (still can't/won't pass out of a double-team), Carlyle, Tucker, Galloway and Cupps before his injury... and the guys who have left: Banks, X, Bates, Gunn, Lander, Phinisee, Stewart, and arguably, Kopp.

I agree that there are plenty of reasons to send Woodson packing... but I am not inventing stuff.

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36 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

Uh, you seemed to ignore the rest of the poster's statement, especially the part about Woody's style of play. 

But let's talk about player development. In the 4 years that Woody has been here, what players have show significant improvement? Sure, TJD and Ware showed improvement. Absolutely. But you're also talking about high-level elite talent there.  You could also argue that Race showed <some> improvement. Not a lot, but some.

Who else? MM started to a bit offensively, but fell off a cliff and still can't defend, rebound or play D.

What's amazing to me is that Woody was an elite college guard and long-time NBA guard, yet he has shown very little ability to improve his backcourt players. Is Rice any better than he was at the start of the year? KC? Galloway seemed to improve and turn a corner, but has regressed recently. Leal? Obviously he shows Woody nothing in practice as he has barely gotten any minutes in 4 years. X? Nah. He was inconsistent and only showed flashes his entire career (even when he was actually healthy). 

We have, however, seen a few players who left IU and have seen some improvement and success elsewhere. That means that Woody either was not developing them or not using them correctly.

As bad as Woody has shown himself to be as a game coach (during the game and game prep), he certainly has not shown himself to be any kind of savant when it comes to player development either. Criticism in that area is fair as well.  

Read my post. I did not ignore the style of play comment, specifically saying that it was outdated.

Read my post. I specifically limited where I thought Woodson developed guys to the bigs. I agree wholeheartedly that wings and guards, for the most part have been underserved. I say for the most part because I don’t know how much of JHS’ improvement was due to coaching, and how much was natural talent 

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50 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

Uh, you seemed to ignore the rest of the poster's statement, especially the part about Woody's style of play. 

But let's talk about player development. In the 4 years that Woody has been here, what players have show significant improvement? Sure, TJD and Ware showed improvement. Absolutely. But you're also talking about high-level elite talent there.  You could also argue that Race showed <some> improvement. Not a lot, but some.

Who else? MM started to a bit offensively, but fell off a cliff and still can't defend, rebound or play D.

What's amazing to me is that Woody was an elite college guard and long-time NBA guard, yet he has shown very little ability to improve his backcourt players. Is Rice any better than he was at the start of the year? KC? Galloway seemed to improve and turn a corner, but has regressed recently. Leal? Obviously he shows Woody nothing in practice as he has barely gotten any minutes in 4 years. X? Nah. He was inconsistent and only showed flashes his entire career (even when he was actually healthy). 

We have, however, seen a few players who left IU and have seen some improvement and success elsewhere. That means that Woody either was not developing them or not using them correctly.

As bad as Woody has shown himself to be as a game coach (during the game and game prep), he certainly has not shown himself to be any kind of savant when it comes to player development either. Criticism in that area is fair as well.  

Woodson was actually a SF at least at IU

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On 12/17/2024 at 11:48 AM, AZ Hoosier said:

 

We would've won more games if he spent less time on his facial hair. He should watch more films. Coach Cig said he is a film junkie, and that's how coaches learn his opponents. I wonder how much time Woody spends on watching films and developing strategies. 

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13 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Not me.  His behavior during his coaching tenure far exceeds whatever he did as a player long before I was alive.  Same with Buckner.  They're villains in my IU fandom story.  I have no other memories of them. 

I agree with you!  I have had the chance in my life to watch them both as players and the left a good legacy as players but that all got shot to heck because of what has transpired over the last 4 years!  Now their legacy will be about bringing the entire basketball program to its knees for their own self serving interests.  

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2 hours ago, IUrocker said:

I know before the OSU game there were some on here who thought Mike Woodson won’t coach another game in Assembly Hall. Since we managed to escape by the hair of our chinny chin chin with a win, do we still think there’s a chance he won’t coach again at home? I think fans are to the point where it really doesn’t matter that we happened to win that game. Fans are still displeased with what’s going on and I think would still show their disappointment even though we won our last game. 

He'll coach the rest of the season and if up to him, next season and the following season. 

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2 hours ago, bodsbums said:

I’m aware of the circumstances. Why IU? We didn’t have a long recruitment history with any of them necessarily that I’m aware of- maybe we did. In the end I’m guessing it came down to money and we offered the most. Tucker is the case that seems most pronounced to me. I think he has some promise as a player, but he didn’t fit a need that we had at all. We needed three point shooting and he isn’t that. If he did his homework, he should have been able to see that our offense is dog water for a player like him. If I was a player considering IU with Woody in charge it only makes sense from a basketball perspective if I am a big wanting touches or a pt guard to wants the ball in my hand all the time. 

“Mackenzie’s deal is kind of unique because the crazy thing is Mackenzie’s mom reached out to coach Woodson with a text,” Hunter said on the Hoosier Hysterics podcast last week.  “And so that’s initially how it got started. We didn’t know him, but just obviously (Mgbako) being from the New Jersey area, and Coach (Woodson) being a Knicks guy, and just the people around. So she actually reached out to coach first and inquired about us recruiting her son.  So that’s initially how it kind of came about.”

Woodson says he first saw Tucker three years ago at IMG.
 
"I watched him work and said, this kid is really skilled. He can do a lot of things, but they told me he might go to elsewhere, so I walked away."
 
Then last spring, Tucker's father called Woodson to see if he was still interested in his son.
 
"I said absolutely. I'll be on a plane tomorrow to talk to you about him. We were able to get him to Indiana."

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4 hours ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Not convinced with the 7 25pt losses we have. Or whatever 

Yea we’d have to go 6-6 over the remaining games to even be at 11-9. Winning the ones we “should” would currently give us a grand total of 4 Q1 wins. Thats not good enough to sniff the bubble particularly when you start factoring in the probability of more blowout losses. The six losses are ranked teams who will likely be ranked at the end of the season. Mike Woodson teams don’t beat ranked teams that finished ranked.
 

There is nothing about this current iteration that leads me to believe that happens this season. Possible? Sure. Probable? No
 

15 teams in the B1G are currently top-75. USC and Providence are trending towards Q3. OSU and PSU trending down. The B1G is inflated right now but will work itself out by seasons end. And that’s before you start talking about how rare finishing with 6+ Q1 wins is. Only 23 teams did so last season and that’s counting conference tournament data. We simply aren’t finishing with 5 or more Q1’s without upsets. Woody teams don’t do upsets.