Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[AZ Hoosier 7,746]

24 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

There is no rational reason to let Woodson keep coaching.

The damage from the visual of fans either not showing up or leaving…The damage from hearing the fire Woodson chants… the damage of the visual of a coach who shows no energy or emotion to lead the team… the damage of the visual of a team who knows the coach is gone, and plays like it… All of this played out by the national media.

All would have a much larger and worse impact on the program than if administration would just rip the bandage off, take the short term criticism of the Wilborns of the world, and move forward. 
Winning games the rest of this season is secondary to reestablishing the pride and status of what IU basketball used to be 

Wow. Twice in one day! :D I'm off to buy a lottery ticket.

[Hoosier DaDa 2,791]

1 hour ago, MikeRoberts said:

Will Wade deserves a look. His teams win and the shady recruiting tactics he was doing are legal now

If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying right? I rather bring back Sampson.

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2 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Don’t understand why folks would want a guy like Sampson or Wade.

I get that what they did “then” is legal now.

But if a guy was willing to break the rules that were in place at the time, wonder if he’d break the rules that exist now?

To be fair, and in my opinion, if Sampson were still at IU we'd have at least 2 more banners. Ethics is not his strong suit. Coaching is.

[AZ Hoosier 7,746]

21 minutes ago, mdiu28 said:

Unfortunately I think we have a group of guys that just want their paychecks. They could care less about IU. 

Is there any way to make NIL performance based? That would be nice.

The problem is that this is a bastardization of what NIL is supposed to be. NIL = NAME, IMAGE, LIKENESS... they are supposed to be doing stuff to earn this money (endorsements, public appearances, etc)... instead, the schools have turned it into "payroll" for playing a sport. With the lack of accountability comes the lack or responsibility... and mayhem rules the day.

[IUrocker 2,274]

15 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think part of it is figuring out who the interim coach will be. I’m sure there are a few coaches who want it. It could lead to big money at their next job if they get us playing well. Then does Jordy Or Calbert move up. How do we make it a smooth transition. Things like that. 

So if they are to the point of figuring out who the interim will be, is it safe to say it’s certain he will be gone way before the season is over and we don’t have to wonder if he’ll get to try and ride out the season? I’d most definitely rather find out he’s leaving than getting an announcement of some sort saying he’s retiring after the conclusion of the season. 

[12345Brad 128]

14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think part of it is figuring out who the interim coach will be. I’m sure there are a few coaches who want it. It could lead to big money at their next job if they get us playing well. Then does Jordy Or Calbert move up. How do we make it a smooth transition. Things like that. 

I think Calbert is the lowest risk as I honestly don’t think he’d even want the job full time - just speculation 

[AZ Hoosier 7,746]

18 minutes ago, Muskie plays the four said:

My Mullins guy told me way back. That Woody wasn't real healthy and had a hard  time getting around and it was noticed. Something about getting in a  vehicle at a sectional game. 

The first couple of years it was his knees... he had the replacements (and took a recruiting hit due to his recovery)... now it's something else? But he can still hit the links regularly... so, not a lot of sympathy... 

[MikeRoberts 7,206]

7 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Last thing I want to hear is that Woodson’s health is the word.

Don’t worry, it will always be Calhoun’s

[Hoosierfan2017 21,941]

10 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Don’t understand why folks would want a guy like Sampson or Wade.

I get that what they did “then” is legal now.

But if a guy was willing to break the rules that were in place at the time, wonder if he’d break the rules that exist now?

Because the rules are made up by a governing body with zero interest in enforcing them. They’re meaningless. I don’t think Wade is actually that great of a coach, but Kelvin Sampson has been to more Sweet 16s since 2019 than IU has made in my lifetime. I don’t want a choir boy. I want a ball coach. 

[AZ Hoosier 7,746]

19 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I still say call him up and ask him to be the interim!  I darn sure know he can coach this team better than MW.  He would have them do those rebounding drills, which is something this team sucks at and he will get them to shoot the 3 better!

and the random 3am practices will keep these players on their toes. :D

[Ryno6284 2,817]

4 hours ago, TadQueasy said:

The buyout situation with his contract is really intriguing in all of this.  If he is not at least thinking about another job there is no reason to want that buy out so low.  And you can darn bet the school did not want that buy out that low for year 1.   We are all jumping back on this crazy coach carousel again!   Away we go! 

Is 5 million low for the first year to leave for another team?

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4 hours ago, KathywithaC said:

So why did he publicly dismiss his interest in IU and any possibility that he’d take the job? Why not say “They made an incredibly generous offer and I love it there, but our family decided that this is the place for us”? Instead, we got the “Masshole” soliloquy, which was dismissive to both IU and IU fans.

I've been curious about this too. Initially Brad gave a radio interview where he addressed it. He was soft spoken and kind. He said stuff like Indiana is a great place for basketball, I still have a lot of friends there, honored and humbled to be thought of so well back home, etc. 

It seemed to raise suspension that perhaps there was traction with our pursuit.

Then not long after he delivers an in-person interview wherein he is much more definitive about his commitment to the C's, I'm a masshole, etc. 

Those two interviews were so close together in time but worlds a part in tone. 

Was he genuinely flattered and wanted to let IU down gently when speaking with Boston media the first time, but his pleasantries were misconstrued by Boston media as meaning he had real interest in the IU job? Thus is had to do a little better PR for the Bostonians to more definitively state he's committed to Boston? 

[steubenhoosier 1,030]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Because the rules are made up by a governing body with zero interest in enforcing them. They’re meaningless. I don’t think Wade is actually that great of a coach, but Kelvin Sampson has been to more Sweet 16s since 2019 than IU has made in my lifetime. I don’t want a choir boy. I want a ball coach. 

Yet there has been a lot of talk in this thread about “culture “. 
Sampson pissed on the IU culture 

[Silat Player 422]

42 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Not going to rehash the Crean dismissal, but there were all sorts of red flags besides the sweet 16 losses which showed the program was trending down and justified the decision.  He was kind of a bumbling, fumbling, dude.   My understanding is he was a little "corny" and "goofy" to work with.  Add the in-state recruiting issues, the "Creaning" (which is expected now with the portal), and his lack of defensive balance, off the court issues, etc., you could make a case for letting him go and trying to step up to someone better.  Problem is IU spit the bit and didn't go with someone better.  In hindsight, the Crean dismissal may have been a mistake. 

But, Tom Crean is a perfect example that even a marginal coach with the right attributes can have some success at IU.  Imagine what could happen with a good to great coach.  

(PS: Not bashing Crean.  I am grateful that he took the job when IU was facing the abyss and got us back on the map.  I thought he did a very good job from where he started.  Just couldn't sustain it.  Definitely deserves our respect.)   

What? Getting rid of Crean was not a mistake. He was 7th, 8th, 1st and 10th in the B1G in his last 4 years. And the B1G wasn't exactly worldbeaters during that period. 

Also, Crean couldn't get past the Sweet 16 with 2 of the top 5 players chosen in the NBA draft. How much talent did he require to make an elite 8 or final 4? LOL

[Hoosierfan2017 21,941]

3 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Yet there has been a lot of talk in this thread about “culture “. 
Sampson pissed on the IU culture 

He’s managed to figure it out at Houston. His teams are full of dogs who play hard as hell. Would love to have some of that culture here. 

[IUFAN1976 3,559]

8 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

and the random 3am practices will keep these players on their toes. :D

That’s more practice than what they are getting now, lol

[steubenhoosier 1,030]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He’s managed to figure it out at Houston. His teams are full of dogs who play hard as hell. 

At IU he had a bunch of guys who partied hard as hell 

[Chris007 45,965]

13 minutes ago, IUrocker said:

So if they are to the point of figuring out who the interim will be, is it safe to say it’s certain he will be gone way before the season is over and we don’t have to wonder if he’ll get to try and ride out the season? I’d most definitely rather find out he’s leaving than getting an announcement of some sort saying he’s retiring after the conclusion of the season. 

I would lean that way. But it wouldn’t surprise me if they just announced that he’s done at the end of the season. It has to be one or the other. I’m leaning the interim route.

[JF87 1,535]

42 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Michigan will eat us alive.

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I would love for Dusty to be our coach, but let's not get too crazy.  We have a very talented roster and we are capable of beating any team in the Big Ten.  I can see us beating Michigan and that won't change the fact that Dusty would be a better coach for IU than Woodson.  

[Chris007 45,965]

13 minutes ago, 12345Brad said:

I think Calbert is the lowest risk as I honestly don’t think he’d even want the job full time - just speculation 

He definitely wouldn’t want it full time. Not sure if he would even want it as an interim