Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[JF87 1,471]

Watching Louisville and Kentucky struggle to hire a "proven winner" from another P5 school is why I wanted us to act on Dusty when the window of opportunity was open.  Dusty, like all good mid-major coaches, wasn't a certainty to be successful at IU, but he did have recruiting ties to Indiana high schools and AAU programs.  Passing on Dusty probably means that the IU decision makers are looking to give Woodson at least 3 more years and not the 1 year that so many of us desire.  

[IUFAN1976 3,166]

1 hour ago, JF87 said:

Watching Louisville and Kentucky struggle to hire a "proven winner" from another P5 school is why I wanted us to act on Dusty when the window of opportunity was open.  Dusty, like all good mid-major coaches, wasn't a certainty to be successful at IU, but he did have recruiting ties to Indiana high schools and AAU programs.  Passing on Dusty probably means that the IU decision makers are looking to give Woodson at least 3 more years and not the 1 year that so many of us desire.  

Please don’t say those cursed words around here again 

[JSHoosier 20,232]

2 hours ago, JF87 said:

Watching Louisville and Kentucky struggle to hire a "proven winner" from another P5 school is why I wanted us to act on Dusty when the window of opportunity was open.  Dusty, like all good mid-major coaches, wasn't a certainty to be successful at IU, but he did have recruiting ties to Indiana high schools and AAU programs.  Passing on Dusty probably means that the IU decision makers are looking to give Woodson at least 3 more years and not the 1 year that so many of us desire.  

He was given a 6 year contract, another 3 would finish his contract. Don't put that out there, someone at IU might see it and think it's a good idea; and yes, the decision makers have shown they are stupid enough to think that's a good idea.

[Chris007 44,066]

2 hours ago, JF87 said:

Watching Louisville and Kentucky struggle to hire a "proven winner" from another P5 school is why I wanted us to act on Dusty when the window of opportunity was open.  Dusty, like all good mid-major coaches, wasn't a certainty to be successful at IU, but he did have recruiting ties to Indiana high schools and AAU programs.  Passing on Dusty probably means that the IU decision makers are looking to give Woodson at least 3 more years and not the 1 year that so many of us desire.  

Wash your mouth out with soap talking like that. Go to your room and don't come out. No dinner for you tonight

[LamarCheeks 18,943]

2 hours ago, JF87 said:

Watching Louisville and Kentucky struggle to hire a "proven winner" from another P5 school is why I wanted us to act on Dusty when the window of opportunity was open.  Dusty, like all good mid-major coaches, wasn't a certainty to be successful at IU, but he did have recruiting ties to Indiana high schools and AAU programs.  Passing on Dusty probably means that the IU decision makers are looking to give Woodson at least 3 more years and not the 1 year that so many of us desire.  

[RaceToTheTop 25,837]

Tony Adragna with an assessment of a former poster.

 

[Home Jersey 7,590]

Sigh. 

Sorry in advance for the wall of text. I've had a lot of fun following along this UConn team's tournament run.

Been a fan of the Hurleys since before I was a fan of IU. Lot of great basketball memories from my adolescent years. 

Obviously having graduated from IU, that connection is way stronger/where my loyalties are first and foremost. 

Can't root for another team over IU. But I can definitely root for this UConn team and program. 

 

Zooming out...what's the macro look like for IUBB after another decade, with less generally interested fans/wealthy donors?

I fear very much that it's essentially the de facto nail in the coffin (administrative ineptitude aside).

If it weren't for RMK's titles (normally I hate such statements, because, guess what... RMK did coach here). BUT. 

If it weren't for RMK's titles, our banners would be older than the University of San Francisco's. 

As time goes on, there will only be more embarrassing stats like the above. How many kids care about the 70s/80s?

 

Conference realignment feels potentially dangerous unless CCC can deliver (I think he can... let's go IUFB)

If not...and the program continues to be irrelevant nationally while the "idea" is for IUBB to be a B10 flagship program 

We may find ourselves in a precarious spot. Are we focusing on the right things? "Sleeping Giant" or Dead in the Water...

Someone tell those j3rk0ffs on Twitter we're not the crazy ones for believing our own eyes after this past year.

I'll be skeptical until my admiration is earned back. What that takes is another conversation...

Until then... burners in the staff's network trying to antagonize people... SHUT UP AND WIN.

 

Imagine having a coach who knows what to say (+ how & when to say it) to unite fans/rally support, like Dan Hurley. 

You know, someone who actually embodies what it means to be a leader... like coaches are supposed to be... Leaders.

The culture appears to be an even bigger problem than the schemes, which are also flawed (another conversation too).

Wouldn't have said that before this year. The cheap chit by XJ & CJ, Techs, Sr Night speeches, offseason silence/burners 

Bit odd our coach's preferred motivation tactic is to pre-seed an "us vs. the world" mentality toward their own fanbase. 

Smells like drama - manufactured in the most cowardly way possible - by an insecure coaching staff. 

 

I want IU to win, so I hope it works for them. I hope they're ready to win an awful lot to get fan support back. 

But man... it's tough to root for a coaching staff singing this tune. Retire Mike Woodson expeditiously.

Hire the 31st Head Coach in Indiana University Men's Basketball history. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,259]

 

 

[str8baller 5,255]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

Conference realignment feels potentially dangerous unless CCC can deliver (I think he can... let's go IUFB)

Probably more dangerous to Uconn and Hurley than IU. Pray we marginalize the BE schools, Hurley feels the need to leave,  and IU makes a strong play. 

[Home Jersey 7,590]

9 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Probably more dangerous to Uconn and Hurley than IU. Pray we marginalize the BE schools, Hurley feels the need to leave,  and IU makes a strong play. 

Agree its more dangerous for UConn than IU, but we're not 100% in the clear either necessarily IMO. 

Sadly I don't think anyone is ever getting Dan Hurley further than about 3-4 hours from NJ. 

Now... this will be a controversial/hot take to many (not convinced myself)... but... if you're not going to land a top guy

Would you take a flyer on Bobby Hurley? He's certainly not got the same geographic restrictions. 

Doesn't have the coaching success either. Sometimes the best players can't really coach as well. 

Ultimately doubt we'd go with such an outsider especially one without the track record, but a thought if you're going to end up not being able to land a big fish (UK seems to prove that essentially) or find an up and comer you feel good about. 

It's not like Bobby Hurley has had NO coaching success. ASU and buffalo are not the easiest places to win. 

Do you take a gamble betting on the family genes/connection essentially, but with more resources?

At a minimum I think our culture would be improved... don't know if Bobby Hurley is up for a place like IU though. 

If I were him I'd get into broadcasting. I'm sure that's why he's a competitor/D1 coach and I'm not though (amongst many other reasons). Lol

[Ryno6284 2,675]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Agree its more dangerous for UConn than IU, but we're not 100% in the clear either necessarily IMO. 

Sadly I don't think anyone is ever getting Dan Hurley further than about 3-4 hours from NJ. 

Now... this will be a controversial/hot take to many (not convinced myself)... but... if you're not going to land a top guy

Would you take a flyer on Bobby Hurley? He's certainly not got the same geographic restrictions. 

Doesn't have the coaching success either. Sometimes the best players can't really coach as well. 

Ultimately doubt we'd go with such an outsider especially one without the track record, but a thought if you're going to end up not being able to land a big fish (UK seems to prove that essentially) or find an up and comer you feel good about. 

It's not like Bobby Hurley has had NO coaching success. ASU and buffalo are not the easiest places to win. 

Do you take a gamble betting on the family genes/connection essentially, but with more resources?

At a minimum I think our culture would be improved... don't know if Bobby Hurley is up for a place like IU though. 

If I were him I'd get into broadcasting. I'm sure that's why he's a competitor/D1 coach and I'm not though (amongst many other reasons). Lol

I think if I'm gambling on a good coaches brother, I would go with Bryce Drew.

[Golfman25 5,437]

3 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Agree its more dangerous for UConn than IU, but we're not 100% in the clear either necessarily IMO. 

Sadly I don't think anyone is ever getting Dan Hurley further than about 3-4 hours from NJ. 

Now... this will be a controversial/hot take to many (not convinced myself)... but... if you're not going to land a top guy

Would you take a flyer on Bobby Hurley? He's certainly not got the same geographic restrictions. 

Doesn't have the coaching success either. Sometimes the best players can't really coach as well. 

Ultimately doubt we'd go with such an outsider especially one without the track record, but a thought if you're going to end up not being able to land a big fish (UK seems to prove that essentially) or find an up and comer you feel good about. 

It's not like Bobby Hurley has had NO coaching success. ASU and buffalo are not the easiest places to win. 

Do you take a gamble betting on the family genes/connection essentially, but with more resources?

At a minimum I think our culture would be improved... don't know if Bobby Hurley is up for a place like IU though. 

If I were him I'd get into broadcasting. I'm sure that's why he's a competitor/D1 coach and I'm not though (amongst many other reasons). Lol

Well he even played here years ago, so he checks that box. :)

[AZ Hoosier 7,190]

3 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Agree its more dangerous for UConn than IU, but we're not 100% in the clear either necessarily IMO. 

Sadly I don't think anyone is ever getting Dan Hurley further than about 3-4 hours from NJ. 

Now... this will be a controversial/hot take to many (not convinced myself)... but... if you're not going to land a top guy

Would you take a flyer on Bobby Hurley? He's certainly not got the same geographic restrictions. 

Doesn't have the coaching success either. Sometimes the best players can't really coach as well. 

Ultimately doubt we'd go with such an outsider especially one without the track record, but a thought if you're going to end up not being able to land a big fish (UK seems to prove that essentially) or find an up and comer you feel good about. 

It's not like Bobby Hurley has had NO coaching success. ASU and buffalo are not the easiest places to win. 

Do you take a gamble betting on the family genes/connection essentially, but with more resources?

At a minimum I think our culture would be improved... don't know if Bobby Hurley is up for a place like IU though. 

If I were him I'd get into broadcasting. I'm sure that's why he's a competitor/D1 coach and I'm not though (amongst many other reasons). Lol

Big NO on Bobby Hurley. Not good at ASU. And we've already done the "brother of a coach" thing with Archie.

[OKHOOSIER 2,319]

So Kentucky is set to hire a guy with zero tournament wins. And some people thought Dusty May wasn’t good enough for us to hire. Lmao.

At least we (hopefully) won’t embarrass ourselves by throwing silly numbers at dudes like Hurley and Drew who aren’t going anywhere. Rumor was Hurley got offered 12.5 a year. And given that Mark Pope is getting 5.5 I’d believe it. If Dusty May wins big at Michigan and they commit to him, this is going to be a watershed moment for the program. Didn’t quote it but @Home Jersey is right on the mark above. Maybe Dusty will come home after a while winning at Michigan, but the risk of him being successful elsewhere at a P5 and  never coming far outweighed the risk of firing Woody and taking a chance on him. 
 

Money and program prestige simply don’t matter like they used to in the age of football TV contract money and NIL for recruiting. The built in and fundamental advantages to taking a job like IU or Kentucky simply do not exist as they once did. Kentucky just found that out. It can also mean that finding an established P5 successful coach is not as important to a rebuild, which they may also find out. The days of “blue bloods” simply opening a checkbook and spending more than schools not as committed to basketball just does not exist as it once did. That said,

 

Show Woody the door and offer Dan Hurley a billion dollars and make him say no. 

[jefftheref 131]

2 hours ago, OKHOOSIER said:

So Kentucky is set to hire a guy with zero tournament wins. And some people thought Dusty May wasn’t good enough for us to hire. Lmao.

At least we (hopefully) won’t embarrass ourselves by throwing silly numbers at dudes like Hurley and Drew who aren’t going anywhere. Rumor was Hurley got offered 12.5 a year. And given that Mark Pope is getting 5.5 I’d believe it. If Dusty May wins big at Michigan and they commit to him, this is going to be a watershed moment for the program. Didn’t quote it but @Home Jersey is right on the mark above. Maybe Dusty will come home after a while winning at Michigan, but the risk of him being successful elsewhere at a P5 and  never coming far outweighed the risk of firing Woody and taking a chance on him. 
 

Money and program prestige simply don’t matter like they used to in the age of football TV contract money and NIL for recruiting. The built in and fundamental advantages to taking a job like IU or Kentucky simply do not exist as they once did. Kentucky just found that out. It can also mean that finding an established P5 successful coach is not as important to a rebuild, which they may also find out. The days of “blue bloods” simply opening a checkbook and spending more than schools not as committed to basketball just does not exist as it once did. That said,

 

Show Woody the door and offer Dan Hurley a billion dollars and make him say no. 

As I said elsewhere, Kentucky has the Pope and Indiana has the Dope!

 

[Chris007 44,066]

What was the major problem last season? Shooting. Have we upgraded shooting no we haven't so far.

We have more talent that is for sure. We have better guards. 

If it was me Conwell, Hickman, and Humrichous would have been bigger priorities for me.

But what do I know I'm just some dumb poster on BTB

[Trish 11,566]

Just now, Chris007 said:

What was the major problem last season? Shooting. Have we upgraded shooting no we haven't so far.

We have more talent that is for sure. We have better guards. 

If it was me Conwell, Hickman, and Humrichous would have been bigger priorities for me.

But what do I know I'm just some dumb poster on BTB

My #1 concern coming into last season was shooting. This season may be the same. Disappointing. 

[Chris007 44,066]

1 minute ago, Trish said:

My #1 concern coming into last season was shooting. This season may be the same. Disappointing. 

And we might go out and get a shooter but you have so many guys who are going to get playing time now, you've already kind of mismanaged the roster again. 

[Chris007 44,066]

Also, I guess all posters can agree that with this roster so good then there is no reason why we can't finish in the top 3 of the Big Ten, and if we don't then Mike Woodson needs to be fired.

I mean all I'm reading on the IU interest thread is how loaded we are. So it can't be a talent problem this season

[IH8PU 220]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

And we might go out and get a shooter but you have so many guys who are going to get playing time now, you've already kind of mismanaged the roster again. 

Honestly I don't know ... is it too late for players to enter the portal after these commitments are signed?