Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[HoosierHuddle 221]

7 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

IU has a lot working against them but they’ve got money. I was told that would be important so it should work out great 

I prefer to think with an optimistic lean, when possible. I know the reality of the situation and I know a positive season in 2024-2025 is possible but incredibly unlikely. If possible though, I try to be positive. So, on a positive slant, there are a lot of good and productive guards in the transfer portal. There will be more that enter the portal over the next couple of weeks. IU has a whole lot of money to offer but they also have very clearly-defined and available playing time to sell. The system is a major issue. Mike Woodson is a major issue. But IU is not without some positive things to go shopping with as well.

They can point to Trayce Jackson-Davis and Kel'El Ware as positives for the rim protecting big that they will pursue and that will be a plus for potential targets. Of course, quality players for that role are less plentiful. I think Mgbako coming back is really important. One, I think he could average 15-18 points per game next season and with good guard play, he could shoot 40%+ from 3. I liked his growth. Plus, players of his size and skillset would be rather scarce in the portal and IU has no proven track record to sell. That would be one additional hurdle. The NBA won't be particularly interested in anything he does right now so I think he'll be back, that's a plus. I'm pulling a muscle with my stretching for positives but there is still a pathway to finding a competent and enjoyable roster for next season.

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58 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

This might have been a decent get since we love big men. Shot 42% from three so he's a pass.

 

 

It's going to be interesting how they will spin it when IU can't buy more than middling talent. What aspiring NBA/G League/Euroleague shooter would want to come play for Inside Out Mikey. A few more 10s of thousands for poor guard coaching and exposure just ain't worth it.

[str8baller 5,214]

10 minutes ago, theriverpilot said:

What I'd like to see from our AD is what Mal Moore did at Alabama and how they pursued Saban.  Moore wasn't going to take "no" for answer and was hell bent on restoring Alabama football

That’s a good story for those who haven’t read it. Basically the opposite of what Dolson did with Stevens. Lol

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I was saying if we were able to land all 3 of those guys that would work for next season but it's a small margin of error if we spend our time on these guys and not land them. Then were struggling again. 

But I see that you weren't saying we will land all 3

Gotcha...that makes sense. Yes, IU needs to be very careful to not go all out for a few "tier one" guys, strike out and then have put no work into "tier two" or "tier three" guys that may not be 15-20 points per game scorers but would be attainable and could still play a valuable role on the 2024-2025 roster. They need to have a very clear plan on building a cohesive team with guys that fit together and have well-defined roles. My hopes are not high that they are thinking that way. I imagine the reality being closer to just hitting refresh as guys hit the portal and then tossing darts at any remotely plausible targets and seeing what sticks and who might want the big check. There are lots of really capable guards already in and many more than I know will be entering. I'm confident the backcourt talent will be better than it was this past season. It just might not make a darn bit of difference in meaningful results next season.

[AH1971 1,465]

59 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

Yeah, the "not enough talent" thing sticks in my craw. He had THREE 5-stars and more "stars" than anyone in the B1G conference. Maybe if he tried a more current scheme he's have a chance. Or, just be stubborn and keep losing. 

I get the sentiment of having a lot of raw talent, but all three of our 5* were underclassmen and the two sophomores didn't play a whole hell of a lot the year prior. Someone like a 23-year-old Boo Buie is much better and much more valuable than any underclassmen 5*.

Reality is that the roster was so poorly constructed last year, and the back court was in fact, just not any good. IU is a tournament team this year with a competent lead guard and they're a top 25 team with two. Getting two good guards in the portal changes everything for next with the pieces that are expected back. Obviously easier said than done, but it's doable.

I want Woody gone as much as the next guy, but not going to let it cloud my judgement strictly in terms of next season. I hate the trajectory of the program but am never going to root for the demise of the team. 

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50 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

No cupps? How are we supposed to land any guards now they will be to scared of the ones returning.

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Inside Out Mikey is way more scary to any guard transfer. He is 2 guard kyrptonite

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2 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said:

Gotcha...that makes sense. Yes, IU needs to be very careful to not go all out for a few "tier one" guys, strike out and then have put no work into "tier two" or "tier three" guys that may not be 15-20 points per game scorers but would be attainable and could still play a valuable role on the 2024-2025 roster. They need to have a very clear plan on building a cohesive team with guys that fit together and have well-defined roles. My hopes are not high that they are thinking that way. I imagine the reality being closer to just hitting refresh as guys hit the portal and then tossing darts at any remotely plausible targets and seeing what sticks and who might want the big check. There are lots of really capable guards already in and many more than I know will be entering. I'm confident the backcourt talent will be better than it was this past season. It just might not make a darn bit of difference in meaningful results next season.

Has that ever been Mediocre Mike’s strategy?  He’s all or nothing on the top tier  players because he doesn’t want anything to do with the lower tiered players and that is where he will fail

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5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I get the sentiment of having a lot of raw talent, but all three of our 5* were underclassmen and the two sophomores didn't play a whole hell of a lot last the year prior. Someone like a 23-year-old Boo Buie is much better and much more valuable than any underclassmen 5*.

Reality is that the roster was so poorly constructed last year, and the back court was in fact, just not any good. IU is a tournament team this year with a competent lead guard and they're a top 25 team with two. Getting two good guards in the portal changes everything for next with the pieces that are expected back. Obviously easier said than done, but it's doable.

I want Woody gone as much as the next guy, but not going to let it cloud my judgement strictly in terms of next season. I hate the trajectory of the program but am never going to root for the demise of the program or team. 

Ware isn't coming back.  Good luck finding a replacement in the portal.  We wouldn't have won 12 games without him.

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54 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

It sounds like the portal isn’t going to be as easy as Woodson thought. Just cause you have money doesn’t mean you’ll gain traction with everyone 

I think Woody should listen to us the untrue fan because we all know he is going to strike out.

[AH1971 1,465]

Just now, Kentuckysucks said:

Ware isn't coming back.  Good luck finding a replacement in the portal.  We wouldn't have won 12 games without him.

Wasn't expecting Ware back.

I would have traded Ware for two higher end guards this year and wouldn't have thought twice about it. 

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27 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

We will just have run it back. Good news we might not be able to field a team that has enough players to be able to scrimmage in practice. Here is the good news part of it “Woody won’t have enough players to do his NBA/Hockey sub patterns.

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The sad thing is that a good coach could probably take Gunn, Banks, and Sparks; add two quality guards and beat us. 

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Is it April Fools Day yet?

[Hornsby 1,799]

Meh, so is Woodson. Napping with a lit stogie creating pinhole burns in his satin pj's

I wish we would have hired Woodson instead of archie and just gotten the hire an iu guy thing over with 5 years ago. Can you imagine how awful his recruiting would have been without NIL. He would of had to build a team and we probably could have canned him after year three. It would have been really bad.

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14 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I get the sentiment of having a lot of raw talent, but all three of our 5* were underclassmen and the two sophomores didn't play a whole hell of a lot last the year prior. Someone like a 23-year-old Boo Buie is much better and much more valuable than any underclassmen 5*.

Reality is that the roster was so poorly constructed last year, and the back court was in fact, just not any good. IU is a tournament team this year with a competent lead guard and they're a top 25 team with two. Getting two good guards in the portal changes everything for next with the pieces that are expected back. Obviously easier said than done, but it's doable.

I want Woody gone as much as the next guy, but not going to let it cloud my judgement strictly in terms of next season. I hate the trajectory of the program but am never going to root for the demise of the team. 

Don’t come in here with logic

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why would any guard want to come here...? I mean, Woodson excudes a nothingness that inspires nobody except the players that just want to be there because its Indiana and they just want to be somewhere with bright lights: Gallo, Leal, Cupps. 

[AH1971 1,465]

1 minute ago, Alford Bailey said:

Don’t come in here with logic

Imagine IU last year with Brice Williams and Marcus Domask (two random B10 guard transfers that weren't highly sought after) at the expense of Ware who was a top 5 portal entrant. IU with Domask and Williams wins 23-24 games this year and is comfortably in the tournament. There's a Domask or a Brice Williams every portal cycle, multiple of them. Construct the roster properly this year and go from there. 

[Hornsby 1,799]

why would any guard want to come here...? I mean, Woodson excudes a nothingness that inspires nobody except the players that just want to be there because its Indiana and they just want to be somewhere with bright lights: Gallo, Leal, Cupps. 

Probably why cupps will stay. He will most likely be the starting point guard imo.

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1 hour ago, Hornsby said:

So far it looks like Woodson will get to buy at least 6 players and I assume it will end up being more. Sophomores leaving to be replaced by one year rent a players.

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Building a foundation man.  

[Golfman25 5,330]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

That should be the last portal entry for today. I don't expect any more this week but who knows? 

Who's left.  Martha the Mop Lady?