Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[JSHoosier 19,819]

1 minute ago, HinnyHoosier said:

Forgive me if it's already been mentioned, but what is BP's current buyout? I read 17M as of April 1 2023 but didn't know if there were any additional details on that. 

Apparently the 17m is the university buyout, with coach's buyout around 8.

[Go_Hoosiers 191]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned - but did anyone else notice the a** chewing Woody gave Reneau on his 5th foul against Wisconsin? Reneau deserved it - but I thought it was notable because I have never seen Woody lay in to someone like that. Makes me think Woody is well aware of how tenuous his situation is.

[HoosierKix 84]

42 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think we're working through that. But it can be done right now with both of us still having games to play. 

That is fair. Both IU and Auburn have games, but I don’t feel that should change Dolson’s perspective and the money. Decision should be made it seems “Hey Woody isn’t our guy next year” so go swing for the fences with Pearl and if something snags then pivot to Dusty because I promise that is as long as the list needs to be because Dusty isn’t saying no to IU. Just seems the decision one way or the other hasn’t been made and it should be. Either Woody is in next year or he is out, I don’t see what the last few weeks will tell us to make the decision?

[cleeter 2,116]

Just now, Go_Hoosiers said:

Apologies if this has already been mentioned - but did anyone else notice the a** chewing Woody gave Reneau on his 5th foul against Wisconsin? Reneau deserved it - but I thought it was notable because I have never seen Woody lay in to someone like that. Makes me think Woody is well aware of how tenuous his situation is.

That whole situation is messed up. Apparently Reneau was reluctant to foul because he had 4 and knew it, woody laid into him after the fact. Reneau said he had 4 to woody and then woody said he was yelling Gallo! Gallo!....whole situation is messed up

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,395]

3 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

Forgive me if it's already been mentioned, but what is BP's current buyout? I read 17M as of April 1 2023 but didn't know if there were any additional details on that. 

$8.5M is his opt out. The $17M buyout is what the university would owe him if they fired him. His opt out drops to $7M on May 1st.

[HoosierKix 84]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Welcome aboard.  Hope you enjoy the calm, well-reasoned, thoughtful insight that btb offers  lol      Glad to have you join and hope you become a frequent poster.

Thank you sir! Glad to be here!!

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37 minutes ago, iubhounds2 said:

Woody's post game interviews are going to even more interesting these next 4 games. Pretty soon he will be reading from note cards when interviewed and only answering questions from certain reporters but not everyone.

Actually, I think if you watch closely, Woody's lips aren't in sync with the words and I think it's QB's hand under Woody's coat practicing his ventriloquism.

[NashvilleHoosier 3,675]

41 minutes ago, theriverpilot said:

That was my flimsy analogy to suggest that maybe Woodson is already a dead man walking.  I've seen several times over the years if an employee is placed on a PIP, then their fate is doomed and that it's merely a documentation tool to CYA.  Just spit-balling that maybe Dolson is doing the same thing.  Covering bases.  

Unfortunately I think if there will be a PIP for Woody, it will be next season. I had the very not fun at all task of firing somebody recently. We discussed a PIP several times leading up to it. Decided to skip that b/c the pattern of performance and bad habits had never changed no matter what conversations were had in the past and a PIP is intended to actually improve performance. None of us were confident that would happen. Now, I did have a meeting with this person a couple weeks in advance to lay it out for him, which was my attempt to nudge him toward getting the resume updated. My hope, even if it was a regularly scheduled meeting, is that this is what Scotty is doing. 

[Chris007 43,565]

2 minutes ago, HoosierKix said:

That is fair. Both IU and Auburn have games, but I don’t feel that should change Dolson’s perspective and the money. Decision should be made it seems “Hey Woody isn’t our guy next year” so go swing for the fences with Pearl and if something snags then pivot to Dusty because I promise that is as long as the list needs to be because Dusty isn’t saying no to IU. Just seems the decision one way or the other hasn’t been made and it should be. Either Woody is in next year or he is out, I don’t see what the last few weeks will tell us to make the decision?

I think all of that is happening behind the scenes. That's why were hearing about the feelers with Pearl. I think Dusty is a different story for Dolson. He's a tougher sell to trustees, Whitten, and others this year. But he's my first choice. So we'll see.

[reconmkd 4,328]

Dang woke up this morning hoping for a B-day surprise or breaking rumor, I guess I will have to wait a little longer! Lol

[68Hoosier 514]

1 minute ago, reconmkd said:

Dang woke up this morning hoping for a B-day surprise or breaking rumor, I guess I will have to wait a little longer! Lol

Happy B-day....

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55 minutes ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

You are correct. Buyouts essentially act as a way to guarantee a coach time and also act as a pre-negotiated severance package. I think that it is interesting that Bruce Pearl actually has two buyout clauses in his contract. One is a coach's buyout that acts like an opt out and the other is a university buyout that acts like a guarantee of time and a severance package. The coach's buyout is much lower than the university buyout, which is why there was initially confusion on the buyout total for BP. Why would you negotiate a lower buyout for your opt out if you intended for your contract to act as a lifetime contract?

Good coaches have all the power so for BP to have a lower buyout if he chose to leave vs if the schoold decided he should leave recognizes this.  As to why he would want a lower buyout if he were to leave based on the idea that he intended for this to be a lifetime contract and or his last gig, well, things change.  If a new president came in or a new AD and they did not share the same vision he may decide it is better to move on.  If rumors are true, he seems to want to change apparel sponsorship, get a new basketball only facility and possibly get a guarantee his son will be his successor then maybe these are things he did not initially consider but feels is needed for him to continue to compete at Auburn (not so much his son as successor).

Regarding the son as successor, I wonder if that would be the draw to keep him at Auburn vs leaving for IU.  I doubt we will guarantee that but they might and I could see it being the tiebreaker.  

[HoosierMoore 296]

11 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

Dang woke up this morning hoping for a B-day surprise or breaking rumor, I guess I will have to wait a little longer! Lol

[kottke 766]

10 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

Dang woke up this morning hoping for a B-day surprise or breaking rumor, I guess I will have to wait a little longer! Lol

Happy birthday to you! Hope your day is amazing (and we get some juicy rumors)!

[KNOBYDOX 109]

On 2/29/2024 at 7:56 AM, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Knee surgery is why I'm on a bike and not still pounding pavement.  Doc said keep running and you'll chip more bone and told me to swim or cycle.  I swim like a rock so it was cycling by default.  I still wish I could run but I do enjoy the solitude of a bike ride and the changing of the seasons on country roads.

I am at a field trials in Texas right now and one day behind on the board but I try to keep in shape running my dog in competition at 78 years old 

[Artie86 1,861]

56 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

It will be interesting if anything changes good or bad if he is feeling the pressure. But I don't think it changes anything with him being the coach or not next year 

.....hmmmmm. It sort of seems like you backing off a little and sounding more 50/50....

[Chris007 43,565]

3 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

.....hmmmmm. It sort of seems like you backing off a little and sounding more 50/50....

I would say I'm still 60/40 he's not but I could be way off base. There are so many moving parts, and with so many different people involved it's hard to say what is happening and what will happen. 

[Muskie for three 307]

8 minutes ago, KNOBYDOX said:

I am at a field trials in Texas right now and one day behind on the board but I try to keep in shape running my dog in competition at 78 years old 

Nstra, horseback,  retriever or beagles . Just curious . Good luck no matter what . 

[IUFAN1976 2,775]

10 minutes ago, KNOBYDOX said:

I am at a field trials in Texas right now and one day behind on the board but I try to keep in shape running my dog in competition at 78 years old 

Dang, still running at 78, pretty impressive.  I’m 60 and I used to love running but I’ve got bone on bone hip and I need a replacement.  Until I get that done, I do the bike, stationary bike (Peleton classes) hike, treadmill and elliptical about 6 days a week.  Hip hurts sometimes but I can deal with pain. 

[Tasmanian Devil 1,507]

7 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I would say I'm still 60/40 he's not but I could be way off base. There are so many moving parts, and with so many different people involved it's hard to say what is happening and what will happen. 

What does your gut tell you, Chris?
 

to me, it’s pretty telling that none of the IU coaches were at sectional games. something without question is going on.