IUBB @ Nebraska - Wednesday, 01.03.24 @ 9:00 ET on BTN

[Golfman25]

23 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

 

Isn’t IU supposed to have players that have unrelenting effort and basketball IQ, that’s the MO historically that is associated with IU. Isn’t IU supposed to have one of the best X&O coaching staffs? I’m all for 5* 1&Done but if we can’t get some player development out of our 6 year PG and Sr SG what kind of program is being ran in Btown? We have two Sophomore players w/ ++ athletic ability but their basketball skills/IQ make them both unplayable. Some of that is on the player, sure, but more so it screams that there is lack of development by the staff. Woody said he understands IUBB and I’m sure he does, he’s seemingly a great guy and I want him to win but the product that’s been displayed for the most part in the last 2.5 years screams that it is lazy coaching/preparation. It’s like they (players and coaches) have the cool guy mentality - as a HS FB coach the cool guy mentality is something I wanted to break in players asap - it is the antithesis of winning. If you stuck around to read this you’re a trooper. Thanks for letting me vent
 

 

 

I am going to put it mainly on the players.  Malik has been vocal about the work he's put in with Cheaney.  And I think it has shown.  Is nobody else taking advantage?  I guess it's up to the coaches to "motivate" the players to put in the extra work.  

[Golfman25]

11 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

People hate Crean pretty unanimously and I loved ribbing him so much on Twitter the dude blocked me. I wasn’t mean or rude, just clowned him too much. Little did he know I was one of his biggest supporters - Yogi, Hulls, Sheehey, Zeller, Watford, JBJ, R Johnson, OG, Morgan, Ziesloft, Williams, Bielfedt, Hartmann, Bryant, Williams man Crean made it fun to watch IU. They could beat anyone at any given time (or lose to anyone) but the talent was top tier, the effort was top tier, his players had pride in Indiana and it was visible. I loved it. And there was player development!!  Crean was a Def. Coordinator away from becoming a powerhouse. Again if IU is serious, they ask Woodson to step down and they have a short list (Beard, May, Stevens, + more) with the biggest checkbook they can muster and say “we want a championship and it doesn’t matter how much we pay to get it” .. In the NIL era, if Cigs has taught us anything we can compete in year 1, look at Beard at Ole Miss. Sucks the realization is here again for a new coach but it is what it is. I’m so damn tired of Purdue, UK, and Sampson being good while IU is run of the mill. 

Whoa.  As much as I like the Coach Cig hire, he's won as many games at IU as I have.  Proof will be in those first few final scores.  

[realTomCrean]

13 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Whoa.  As much as I like the Coach Cig hire, he's won as many games at IU as I have.  Proof will be in those first few final scores.  

Agree - worded it wrong because I was angry typing. I meant that filling talent makes winning in year 1 not only feasible but at a powerhouse (basketball) like IU it is expected and now possible thanks to NIL and no transfer limitations 

[coonhounds]

I was writing Woodson off last season when we started losing at the start of the big. I took my family to the northwestern game and they were splashing 3s on us and we weren't competitive till the end. Waste of money imo cause I didn't feel we competed hard enough. Pre game shoot around was lazy imo. It weirdly took a players only meeting to try to save the season? Weird what's with that? I was pleased however with the turnaround but in reality we should all be pissed at what could have been without the inept play for 3 or 4 games. The way were competing this year reminds me of the pre player meeting play we seen last season. Hopefully Woodson can try to turn this around again before it gets ugly. Just not sure he had a big part in it last year or did tjd and race have more to do with getting them to compete? Last night was a joke Hopefully Saturday were refocused or this won't take long to get ugly imo.

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[Home Jersey]

8 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

I was writing Woodson off last season when we started losing at the start of the big. I took my family to the northwestern game and they were splashing 3s on us and we weren't competitive till the end. Waste of money imo cause I didn't feel we competed hard enough. Pre game shoot around was lazy imo. It weirdly took a players only meeting to try to save the season? Weird what's with that? I was pleased however with the turnaround but in reality we should all be pissed at what could have been without the inept play for 3 or 4 games. The way were competing this year reminds me of the pre player meeting play we seen last season. Hopefully Woodson can try to turn this around again before it gets ugly. Just not sure he had a big part in it last year or did tjd and race have more to do with getting them to compete? Last night was a joke Hopefully Saturday were refocused or this won't take long to get ugly imo.

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I am very happy to see that Race is still around the program while rehabbing! Good influence hopefully in the locker room... we need leadership in any form we can get it. 

[IU_FanClub]

18 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

I was writing Woodson off last season when we started losing at the start of the big. I took my family to the northwestern game and they were splashing 3s on us and we weren't competitive till the end. Waste of money imo cause I didn't feel we competed hard enough. Pre game shoot around was lazy imo. It weirdly took a players only meeting to try to save the season? Weird what's with that? I was pleased however with the turnaround but in reality we should all be pissed at what could have been without the inept play for 3 or 4 games. The way were competing this year reminds me of the pre player meeting play we seen last season. Hopefully Woodson can try to turn this around again before it gets ugly. Just not sure he had a big part in it last year or did tjd and race have more to do with getting them to compete? Last night was a joke Hopefully Saturday were refocused or this won't take long to get ugly imo.

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Maybe Leal can host this year's annual players only meeting

[Golfman25]

28 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

Agree - worded it wrong because I was angry typing. I meant that filling talent makes winning in year 1 not only feasible but at a powerhouse (basketball) like IU it is expected and now possible thanks to NIL and no transfer limitations 

Would be nice to get a coach with Cigs record and his balls.  "Google me."   

[Hoosier987]

55 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

I was writing Woodson off last season when we started losing at the start of the big. I took my family to the northwestern game and they were splashing 3s on us and we weren't competitive till the end. Waste of money imo cause I didn't feel we competed hard enough. Pre game shoot around was lazy imo. It weirdly took a players only meeting to try to save the season? Weird what's with that? I was pleased however with the turnaround but in reality we should all be pissed at what could have been without the inept play for 3 or 4 games. The way were competing this year reminds me of the pre player meeting play we seen last season. Hopefully Woodson can try to turn this around again before it gets ugly. Just not sure he had a big part in it last year or did tjd and race have more to do with getting them to compete? Last night was a joke Hopefully Saturday were refocused or this won't take long to get ugly imo.

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Issue with this year’s team is we lack leadership. 

[HoosierHoopster]

4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

One reason? As an actuarial exercise it can be a financially astute decision. The buyout can be offset by increased booster donations, merch sales, and ticket/concession sales with a new coach.

I’m quite sure it has not gotten anywhere near the time to consider that equation with Woody, but with Tom Allen the increased revenue will more than offset the large buyout amount.

You lost me at actuarial

:)

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

3 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

You lost me at actuarial

:)

He got a thesaurus for Christmas and is showing off.

[HoosierHoopster]

Just now, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

He got a thesaurus for Christmas and is showing off.

He managed to include actuarial and astute in the same sentence 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Just now, HoosierHoopster said:

He managed to include actuarial and astute in the same sentence 

Tomorrow he'll start using 'b' words.

[IUFAN1976]

2 hours ago, Hoosier987 said:

Issue with this year’s team is we lack leadership. 

Exactly and I said it before, X isn’t a good leader and should not be a captain.

[Hornsby]

Issue with this year’s team is we lack leadership. 

The other issue is we have not really played well at all the whole season. We had some moments but few and far between. Our guard play is so poor it will take more than just a meeting I think.

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[IUFAN1976]

3 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

I am going to put it mainly on the players.  Malik has been vocal about the work he's put in with Cheaney.  And I think it has shown.  Is nobody else taking advantage?  I guess it's up to the coaches to "motivate" the players to put in the extra work.  

But it shouldn’t be like that

[Ryno6284]

3 hours ago, IU_FanClub said:

Maybe Leal can host this year's annual players only meeting

I go with Walker, he has been in a winning culture!

[Stuhoo]

47 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

You lost me at actuarial

:)

[IUCrazy2]

17 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Great post! You made a ton of great points. Someone said it the other day... we look like an AAU team out there sometimes. 

• No boxing out when a shot goes up (as fundamental as it gets!)
• Not taking advantage of 2 for 1 opportunities/generally not smart basketball (turnovers, bad fouls.. sometimes bad body language)
• Bad communication on defense 
• Play style that basically is dependent on having better/more dominant player(s)

Like you said, sometimes it looks like they don't study a scouting report at all. Or if they do, most (not all) are only interested in the part that tells them about how the staff thinks they can score. We're gonna get double/triple teamed in the post all year... adjust already. We just had a relatively a long break and weren't prepared for that? That does not bode well for the rest of the year. Personnel limits us.*

Of course, this team also beat Michigan on the road. The above is my hyper critical POV as of today. It's a long season. In all likelihood we will win a few games we shouldn't. But right now it looks like that win was more of an outlier in terms of our play than we can expect to see the rest of the way. I'm hoping to see the better version at Jersey Mike's Arena... it will be loud. It's a long year, who knows!

Some individual aspects of individual play have improved... as a team, improvement has been anywhere from marginal to decent at best IMO depending on how you view things. And this team started from a really bad position. Just been ugly most of the year. 

*When I say personnel limits us, I'm specifically talking about the backcourt. But that sparked a thought - many people feel Mack should be playing 4 instead of a 3. Mack may have wanted to be a 3 as a condition of his recruitment. It's been widely publicized that Mgbako's mother directly reached out to Woody (essentially a top 10-15 ranked player falling in your lap). How much of that recruitment can we attribute as an earned win for the staff? How much worse off would we be if we didn't add him, our best shooting threat? What was the plan if we didn't add him? Yes Woody has landed a bunch of five star recruits... their ranking hasn't mattered on the court yet. 

Mods feel free to move to the rant thread. 

Michigan just got beat by Minnesota in Ann Arbor, I have doubts that win is going to look all that great as the BIG season drags on.

[IUFAN1976]

I just read an article on InsideTheHall that Chloe Moore-McNeil pulled her teammates together after they got crushed by Standford 96-64 and she called her teammates “soft” and then Coach Moren criticized her team.  Since then they have won 11 straight!  That is the type of Leadership we need and aren’t getting.  It needs to come from Trey Galloway, Anthony Leal or Anthony Walker.  The most likely should be Walker who is a 5th year senior, accepted his role, has been playing well of late, and played on a Final 4 team.  If this team wants to turn around the season that all the nay sayer’s and stats are saying, then something needs to happen and soon. It can’t come from X because he’s one of the biggest problems, IMO.

[Hovadipo]

8 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Michigan just got beat by Minnesota in Ann Arbor, I have doubts that win is going to look all that great as the BIG season drags on.

Another Juwan Howard final possession masterclass.