IUBB vs Purdue: 2/25 @7:30 on FOX

[HoosierAloha 30,092]

18 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

It depends on the draft year but honestly there's also a little bit of politics when it comes to playing a top ten pick because a front office doesn't want to look like fools at first so they typically play. I just want JHS to be in a situation and be drafted by a team like my Knicks in the later rounds. Obi Toppin (8th pick taken) deserves more playing time and deserved more development time. But we have Tom Tibadeu (sp) as our coach and only plays established players.   There are a lot of Coaches in the NBA that only care about winning now (to preserve their contracts)and really don't want to develop players. When you're a top 5-10 ( guaranteed top 5 at least) you typically forced by management to play the kid.  But even at 8 Obi Toppin will have to play somewhere else to get a good contract. 

I'm confused by what you're saying here. You want JHS to fall later in the first round so he'll be drafted by the Knicks but you want him to stay at IU to develop into a top 5 pick so it forces management to play him?

[Banksyrules 5,265]

3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'm confused by what you're saying here. You want JHS to fall later in the first round so he'll be drafted by the Knicks but you want him to stay at IU to develop into a top 5 pick so it forces management to play him?

Sorry need to edit . Don’t want him drafted by my Knicks

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1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

So this begs the question.  Do you go to the NBA to “develop” or should you already be developed?  With a four year rookie contract you don’t have much time. So if you’re not ready to go in and make an immediate impact, maybe you want to wait?  

It’s a tough call.  Going to the NBA to develop is risky because you can easily get buried and forgotten about 

[Scotty R 2,803]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

You go as soon as you'll be getting a large, guaranteed NBA contract. Which is where JHS is.

Him being a one and done is very, very good for IU IMO. Liam McNeeley will take note. Liam is 6'6", skilled, not physically dominant, and playing the point very effectively for Montverde.  In other words, while every player is different, it's incredibly easy for him to see the direct comp between him and JHS. And I would hope that JHS is reporting back to Montverde that he made an excellent decision in choosing IUBB.

This is great stuff. We get a shot at a national championship because JHS is one of our key guys, the talented culture guys like Trey Galloway carry the program torch from year to year, and other top 25 players see that we are a path to being an NBA first round pick.

Perfect.

I am sorry but I don't see a great player leaving as being great for the program.  I rather have the talent in hand over what talent we might get.

Edited February 27, 2023 by Scotty R

[MikeRoberts 7,582]

5 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I am sorry but I don't see a great player leaving as being great for the program.  I rather have the talent in hand over what talent we might get.

I see what Stu is saying but tend to agree with you.

having JHS as a one and done “CAN” help the staff recruit other one and done type talents so “IF” it plays out that way over and over and we get a JHS level player every year it is a good thing.

However, that has yet to be seen and as is currently a big “IF” so until we backfill him with another like talent, it’s a negative for IU

[HoosierAloha 30,092]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

So this begs the question.  Do you go to the NBA to “develop” or should you already be developed?  With a four year rookie contract you don’t have much time. So if you’re not ready to go in and make an immediate impact, maybe you want to wait?  

I believe it's dependent on the individual and their situation. There are players that need the NBA for whatever reason (money, focus on development over school, coaches, etc.) while others might be able to delay it for a year or they enjoy their current situation.

How many rookies actually make an immediate impact? Defining immediate impact as being a rotation player or better.

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3 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I see what Stu is saying but tend to agree with you.

having JHS as a one and done “CAN” help the staff recruit other one and done type talents so “IF” it plays out that way over and over and we get a JHS level player every year it is a good thing.

However, that has yet to be seen and as is currently a big “IF” so until we backfill him with another like talent, it’s a negative for IU

We're not a program that will get a talent like JHS at PG every recruiting class. We need to continue to get multiyear PGs that will develop or more experienced PGs through the portal. When a talent like JHS comes along you obviously take him but don't believe relying on a frosh PG every season is a winning formula.

It would be interesting to see how this season had played out without XJ being injured. Does JHS continue to facilitate and take over when needed? Does he play and score more off ball with XJ running the show?

[normandale97 497]

I would rather have 5 stars like JHS show up for one year and leave than a bench full of 4 stars like we have right now that don’t appear to be very good. 

[Hardwood83 4,807]

JHS is a NBA talent and I would suspect he's leaving. But it is interesting that seems to be recency bias from torching Purdue who is not that big or athletic at guard, while the NBA competition will be both of those things. 

I expect JHS to do what is best for himself, but I am an IU fan first and foremost, so hope he returns. There is some nice buzz created by having a one & done, of course, but that doesn't always translate to anything tangible. 

 

[IU - Kaulie 1,943]

All morning walking through campus in the rain I have been singing ‘Walk In Yo Trap, Take Over Yo Trap’.

[Stuhoo 85,041]

6 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

All morning walking through campus in the rain I have been singing ‘Walk In Yo Trap, Take Over Yo Trap’.

 

[IU - Kaulie 1,943]

8 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

All morning walking through campus in the rain I have been singing ‘Walk In Yo Trap, Take Over Yo Trap’.

My roommates who are fans but not as big as me were a little concerned when I was singing it on my way out of the door.

[Stuhoo 85,041]

4 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

My roommates who are fans but not as big as me were a little concerned when I was singing it on my way out of the door.

That's a pretty harsh lyric sheet, but dang it sounds good.

[Hovadipo 59,101]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

That's a pretty harsh lyric sheet, but dang it sounds good.

B1G physicality doesn't call for radio edits.

[Golfman25 6,229]

4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

You go as soon as you'll be getting a large, guaranteed NBA contract. Which is where JHS is.

Him being a one and done is very, very good for IU IMO. Liam McNeeley will take note. Liam is 6'6", skilled, not physically dominant, and playing the point very effectively for Montverde.  In other words, while every player is different, it's incredibly easy for him to see the direct comp between him and JHS. And I would hope that JHS is reporting back to Montverde that he made an excellent decision in choosing IUBB.

This is great stuff. We get a shot at a national championship because JHS is one of our key guys, the talented culture guys like Trey Galloway carry the program torch from year to year, and other top 25 players see that we are a path to being an NBA first round pick.

Perfect.

Define "large guaranteed contact."  Top 15  at $3 mil?  With only 2 years guaranteed.  I know, big money to you and me, but not really by NBA star standards.  Predicting the future -- It's a tough decision.  

[HoosierAloha 30,092]

No idea the accuracy of this site but here is the 2022 contract salaries.

The 15th pick had an $18 million contract. That's... solid money

https://boardroom.tv/nba-rookie-contracts-salary-scale-2022-23/

[LIHoosier 27,187]

No idea the accuracy of this site but here is the 2022 contract salaries.
The 15th pick had an $18 million contract. That's... solid money
https://boardroom.tv/nba-rookie-contracts-salary-scale-2022-23/

From what I understand, that's the best case scenario if both options are picked up and the team pays the max allowed. The values that I posted yesterday had a total of nearly 15 million for four years and around 7 million for the first two that are fully guaranteed for pick 15 and I'm sure the 23-24 draft picks will have another 5-10 percent added on.

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1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

No idea the accuracy of this site but here is the 2022 contract salaries.

The 15th pick had an $18 million contract. That's... solid money

https://boardroom.tv/nba-rookie-contracts-salary-scale-2022-23/

That's over the 4 year contract term, with only the first 2 years guaranteed.  The last two years are team options.  

Here is next year's rookie scale.  15th would be looking at about $7 mil guaranteed.  

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2024

[HoosierAloha 30,092]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

That's over the 4 year contract term, with only the first 2 years guaranteed.  The last two years are team options.  

Here is next year's rookie scale.  15th would be looking at about $7 mil guaranteed.  

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale/2024

$5.6 to $8.4 mil guaranteed over 2 years for the 15th pick is still... solid money. 

There are many other data points that can go into this decision too. Will he have the team around him next season to show off his talents? Will a year of college development provide enough to jump into a top 10 or better pick? Will his stock ever be higher? Will delaying getting to your second contract by a year be worth it?

[Bowhunter 2,890]

I want JHS to stay at IU, but as a Freshman he is already really high on the boards. I think it’s risky for him to play another year for not only the injury possibilities, but the not good enough. stigma that gets placed on a kid after coming back. Now NIL is a new intangible,  I just don’t think it can outweigh the benefits of going this season.