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[Hoosierfan2017 21,503]

23 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Unfortunately I feel you’re right.  Our only real hope is that we get Dusty May and he turns out to be a great coach.  Certainly possible.  But IU will never go out and hire a sure fire winner like Pearl or Drew.  We're way too holy for that.

It’ll take a perfect storm for IU to become elite again. We basically will need to find a GOAT-level coach, but we’ll have to find him before he’s GOAT-level because a coach already at that level will never come to IU and deal with our restrictions. I don’t think Woodson is terrible, but he’s not elite either. He’s not a good enough coach to win at an elite level with the rosters he recruits. And the rosters we bring in are, in part, because the IU administration throws roadblocks in our coaches’ way. We intentionally handicap ourselves and then wonder why it’s such a struggle to be a consistent winner. But hey, even though we lose, at least we can boast about how we lose the right way. 

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3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It’ll take a perfect storm for IU to become elite again. We basically will need to find a GOAT-level coach, but we’ll have to find him before he’s GOAT-level because a coach already at that level will never come to IU and deal with our restrictions. I don’t think Woodson is terrible, but he’s not elite either. He’s not a good enough coach to win at an elite level with the rosters he recruits. And the rosters we bring in are, in part, because the IU administration throws roadblocks in our coaches’ way. We intentionally handicap ourselves and then wonder why it’s such a struggle to be a consistent winner. But hey, even though we lose, at least we can boast about how we lose the right way. 

It really is one of the weirdest flexes that come from IU fans. But it's really just taking another L.

[Chris007 44,115]

3 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

Not sure why I am a gluten for punishment but here it goes

For all the guys who feel Woody sucks and needs to be replaced already (there seem to be about 10 of you who all feel exactly the same and repeat the same arguments over and over). Let’s see if there is any alignment here.  Who you going to get as coach? 

- DD and his fans (seem to be a few on here and part of the same Woody sucks crowd) which is crazy to me since the guy failed as a coach all over but people still listen to his opinion and call him “coach” - he said for years. IU needs an IU guy - have one, you don’t like him. So not that IU guy. We also have  Calbert/Hullls on staff. So was that all about wanting Alford? Or Fife? the guy who can’t get a job and upset recruits. 

- let me guess, now that is Dusty May? Couldn’t have been him before but ok, fine. So you want another mid-major guy who had one lucky run. But isn’t that the same argument for why you all feel Archie was dumb idea all along? Archie had more than one good year too with some unique talent at a mid major. Dusty needs time you say… well that doesn’t work because you want Woody out now.

- so, now that you realize those arguments don’t stand and won’t work, who you getting?  

Oats, Mussleman - yeah, not happening with that Football money they have and why come to Big Ten? Next 

Barnes, Pearl - same issue but they are also about done. 

Scott Drew - you will really upset uncle DD with that one. 

Shrews - yeah, he is killing it at ND. First year you say, I thought it is instant turnaround with portal now. No excuses right? 

Rick - yeah, he is old but he is killing it at St John’s haha, not.  Another that should already have this turn around done. 

Tang - yeah, probably too much Woody vibes for you and looks mediocre without key talent. 

Shaka - Failed once at a big program and probably had zero desire anyway. 

You can go down this list. This is kind of like the “go get a guard, no excuses, we are IU” - cool, who? Easier to just complain without any solutions. I bet some of the names thrown out last year are some of the same guys who are already proving to have been one hit wonders, already failing at a new gig (but you would have traded Woody in a heartbeat) or they just beat their wife.

if it is on here or Twitter, there is a consistent theme with the “Woody sucks” crowd - They feel they hold the program to a “higher standard” and we shouldn’t accept mediocre. Ok, who you getting? 

let’s keep the suggestions to the Woody needs to go crowd. The ones who say good programs don’t wait and that has been our failure. What is the consensus?  Curious if there is one and how they stack up. Not what we should have done. Not how Miles Brand this or that. Right now. You are also going to be going head to head with Michigan and Louisville most likely this Spring. 

I cannot think of a single coach who moves the mark, meets all the requirements and 100% guaranteed better than Woody.  Have this feeling the winner in a poll is Dusty which is hilarious to me for multiple reasons. 

This is going to be my new go to. “Agreed, let’s fire him, who we getting?” 

People can complain, not watch, do whatever but Woody is not going anywhere anytime soon unless he decides he doesn't want to coach any longer. Do I think IU will extend him? Not sure about that. Then Dolson is going to have some decisions to make. I'm guessing Scott has a list already. He's probably fond of a former manager since he was one himself. 

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9 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

He’s a liar, if you will. 
 

:)

Are you sure?

[Stuhoo 81,071]

14 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

If we are just ranting about anything...

 

Who decided the pickled cucumber was THE PICKLE. No other pickled object is just a "pickle." But when we say I want a pickle, it's a pickled cucumber. What if we wanted a pickled egg? Or a zucchini? Pepper? Why is it the cucumber? Who had the authority to decide that?!

 

He decided:

 

[Chris007 44,115]

1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Unfortunately I feel your right.  Our only real hope is that we get Dusty May and he turns out to be a great coach.  Certainly possible.  But IU will never go out and hire a sure fire winner like Pearl or Drew.  We're way too holy for that.

People always talk about IU administration being too holy but it's also mighty holy to think we could just go out and get Pearl or Drew. Those guys have built great situations, make a lot of money, their older so why would they want to come to IU? We have had multiple coaching searches where we have asked agents if their clients would be interested and they've said no. The playing field is level these days, all the advantages IU used to have are gone. But we still like to say just go out and get so and so. I guess I just don't get it. 

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I'll preface this with I think Woody getting fired at any point means way more bad for the program than good.

 

If at some point Woody is gone, I'm not really sure I see the "restrictions" everyone is talking about. I know in the past the admin absolutely did throw every roadblock imaginable but it is an insane thing to say that at the modern time we aren't "playing the game". The University seems to have zero issue with NIL and look at what they're starting to do with football. Now I will agree that we are still too holier than thou on looking at a coach with maybe some past violations but in reality during the last search we probably got told no more than any of us would like to admit. 

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4 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

I cannot think of a single coach who moves the mark, meets all the requirements and 100% guaranteed better than Woody.  Have this feeling the winner in a poll is Dusty which is hilarious to me for multiple reasons. 

This is going to be my new go to. “Agreed, let’s fire him, who we getting?” 

I'm not entirely down on Woody and for many reasons I'm also hesitant to wade into the next coach conversation yet, but I'm going to bite only b/c of all the options thrown out there, I haven't seen one mentioned that I think has to be.....Dan Hurley.

Now, before the onslaught comes, yes, I realize the big question is....do you leave UConn for Indiana? Maybe not. Or, is he a better fit at UConn than Indiana? Eh..maybe? But why not make him say no before moving down the list?

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6 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I'm not entirely down on Woody and for many reasons I'm also hesitant to wade into the next coach conversation yet, but I'm going to bite only b/c of all the options thrown out there, I haven't seen one mentioned that I think has to be.....Dan Hurley.

Now, before the onslaught comes, yes, I realize the big question is....do you leave UConn for Indiana? Maybe not. Or, is he a better fit at UConn than Indiana? Eh..maybe? But why not make him say no before moving down the list?

Or let's go cheaper and get Bobby Hurley. He played for Coach Knight in Blue Chips so he's part of the family

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4 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

Not sure why I am a gluten for punishment but here it goes

 

 

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1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Unfortunately I feel your right.  Our only real hope is that we get Dusty May and he turns out to be a great coach.  Certainly possible.  But IU will never go out and hire a sure fire winner like Pearl or Drew.  We're way too holy for that.

Why would Drew leave Baylor for IU

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33 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

People can complain, not watch, do whatever but Woody is not going anywhere anytime soon unless he decides he doesn't want to coach any longer. Do I think IU will extend him? Not sure about that. Then Dolson is going to have some decisions to make. I'm guessing Scott has a list already. He's probably fond of a former manager since he was one himself. 

You're making our point.  If we miss the dance this season and it's looking like next season won't be any better I can almost guarantee you any other top 10 program would be cutting bait right now.  Alford took UCLA to 3 S16s in 4 years and got canned.  But we're IU.  Gotta give our 66 year old coach in the NIL and portal era at least 6 years.

The problem IU has is outside of Sampson the fan base has never been behind any of the post-Knight hires.  People are already turning on Woody and it will keep getting worse.  Gonna get ugly I'm afraid.

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Just now, Scotty R said:

Why would Drew leave Baylor for IU

Have you ever been to Waco?

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2 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Have you ever been to Waco?

He has already won a championship and he has no pressure on him there.

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49 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

If we are just ranting about anything...

 

Who decided the pickled cucumber was THE PICKLE. No other pickled object is just a "pickle." But when we say I want a pickle, it's a pickled cucumber. What if we wanted a pickled egg? Or a zucchini? Pepper? Why is it the cucumber? Who had the authority to decide that?!

Or the orange getting called an orange.  Lots of orange foods, only one called an orange.

[Chris007 44,115]

13 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

You're making our point.  If we miss the dance this season and it's looking like next season won't be any better I can almost guarantee you any other top 10 program would be cutting bait right now.  Alford took UCLA to 3 S16s in 4 years and got canned.  But we're IU.  Gotta give our 66 year old coach in the NIL and portal era at least 6 years.

The problem IU has is outside of Sampson the fan base has never been behind any of the post-Knight hires.  People are already turning on Woody and it will keep getting worse.  Gonna get ugly I'm afraid.

We're not even to Christmas and you have us out of the tourney and terrible next year. Is Mick Cronin doing much better than Alford?

I think it's very few people who are turning on Woody but I think I know why those people are. 

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I believe I heard Torvik statistically gives Indiana a 6.5% chance of making the tournament as things stand.   

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23 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Or let's go cheaper and get Bobby Hurley. He played for Coach Knight in Blue Chips so he's part of the family

The post about Dan made me think of Bobby for some reason too.  Perhaps he does want to harken back to his days of playing for a fictitious version of Indiana.

Also, I may be imagining things but did Bobby express interest in the IU job in 2021?  Maybe it was Dana Altman.  Anyhow, I feel like there was a guy from out west that was maybe interested at the time.

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3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

We're not even to Christmas and you have us out of the tourney and terrible next year. Is Mick Cronin doing much better than Alford?

I think it's very few people who are turning on Woody but I think I know why those people are. 

As long as we don't do any nonsense the next 3 games, we will be going into the new year with a clean sheet. Nothing to hold us up or down and a schedule ahead of us against a lot of teams that are more than beatable. I am excited. We are not where we need to be yet but I think this is an important year to have a productive season to fully stabilize the program and hopefully add some more pieces for next season.

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I believe I heard Torvik statistically gives Indiana a 6.5% chance of making the tournament as things stand.   

Wow that is worse than I would have ever imagined

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