IU Basketball News and Notes

[Pagoda]

4 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Not sure why this wasn’t announced with the Kirkwood event. Sounds like everyone wins. Good deal. 

It’s Indiana[‘s Athletic Dept].

I’m not sure what’s easier to schedule than your own team playing itself in the arena you own.

Stu has a good theory.

[Hovadipo]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Possible that this is an after the announcement response to feedback? 

Ooooh spicy. Bullying works!

[Demo]

8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Possible that this is an after the announcement response to feedback? 

Yup

[Scotty R]

3 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Thanks for posting. This covers all bases for me. The scrimmage is on Friday night in the Hall and its open to the public. That's kind of like the old midnight madness event when it was just a scrimmage. Now they've moved to a new college event on campus, but the scrimmage in the Hall is part of it.

Nice -- all good

Actually midnight madness under RMK was a full two hour practice 

[Rico]

43 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Actually midnight madness under RMK was a full two hour practice 

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

Actually midnight madness under RMK was a full two hour practice 

Actually, that misses the point

[HoosierHoopster]

17 minutes ago, Rico said:

It never gets old

[OliviaPope40]

12 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

It never gets old

There's a video on Youtube with a counter that counts how many times he says the word.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Actually midnight madness under RMK was a full two hour practice 

I think a lot of fans would enjoy that tbh.


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[Scotty R]

14 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I think a lot of fans would enjoy that tbh.


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It was alright for awhile then it got a little boring 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

It was alright for awhile then it got a little boring 

understood.  I think people get bored of all the formats after a while.  Going back to more basketball oriented is cool to me.  I didn't hate the recent format because i accepted it for what it was.  I like to see scrimmages but now with the super secret scrimmages being more public and the exhibitions I don't even desire that as much.  

[eddy4iu]

Full schedule by Thursday.  Mini-series package emails go out shortly after. Mini-series package will include Kansas State and 2 B10 games as well as the holiday patsies.

[Scotty R]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

understood.  I think people get bored of all the formats after a while.  Going back to more basketball oriented is cool to me.  I didn't hate the recent format because i accepted it for what it was.  I like to see scrimmages but now with the super secret scrimmages being more public and the exhibitions I don't even desire that as much.  

I got tired of HH and haven't gone since Woodson's first year.

[go iu bb]

Rabby said something concerning: "IU doesn't have big-time money right now." He says that IU is leaning more on revenue sharing and backing off of NIL. He quickly listed 6 schools (I bet you all can guess which 6) and indicated  there are more who aren't doing that which will put IU at a recruiting disadvantage against them. He says IU now has a "good" amount of money to spend, not great.

I guess part of the reason is concern over the clearinghouse but that is a poor excuse to intentionally put yourself at a disadvantage. NIL Go is already looking like the CF that everyone knew it would be with inconsistent approvals and rejections. It looks like they initially rejected a bunch of deals which are now being approved.

Part of the reason is donors thinking rev share is larger than it is from the sound of it.

[Pagoda]

47 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Rabby said something concerning: "IU doesn't have big-time money right now." He says that IU is leaning more on revenue sharing and backing off of NIL. He quickly listed 6 schools (I bet you all can guess which 6) and indicated  there are more who aren't doing that which will put IU at a recruiting disadvantage against them. He says IU now has a "good" amount of money to spend, not great.

I guess part of the reason is concern over the clearinghouse but that is a poor excuse to intentionally put yourself at a disadvantage. NIL Go is already looking like the CF that everyone knew it would be with inconsistent approvals and rejections. It looks like they initially rejected a bunch of deals which are now being approved.

Part of the reason is donors thinking rev share is larger than it is from the sound of it.

Thanks for the info.

Not what I want to hear.  NIL Go is just something to work around and as we know NIL is still vital to compete.

I also wonder how football is trending.

**Edit**: For what it’s worth, the few people I know around the AD saw this from Rabby and said no one really knows the exact NIL levels and they aren’t too worried.  We shall see…

[Hoosierfanyuh]

He was just saying we don’t have byu uk money, the board is inflating it 10x more than it really is. Just my take on it 

[Stuhoo]

32 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

He was just saying we don’t have byu uk money, the board is inflating it 10x more than it really is. Just my take on it 

It's not a 'haves and have nots' as much as it is a sliding scale from the top down. 

So yes, UK, UL, BYU, etc are at the top, but we're in 'very competitive' status.

[go iu bb]

4 hours ago, Pagoda said:

Thanks for the info.

Not what I want to hear.  NIL Go is just something to work around and as we know NIL is still vital to compete.

I also wonder how football is trending.

**Edit**: For what it’s worth, the few people I know around the AD saw this from Rabby and said no one really knows the exact NIL levels and they aren’t too worried.  We shall see…

Unless there has been a drastic change in the mindset of the university and athletic department, a work around isn't an option. We've seen that.

It may or may not become an issue, hopefully it doesn't, but the staff seems to be targeting highly ranked recruits that not only will be demanding top dollars but will put IU in direct competition with schools he listed as being willing to spend more NIL. That doesn't give me warm fuzzies.  We've already missed on one recruit to either KU or UL because of NIL.

IU had a real chance to become a major player in college basketball when NIL was first introduced and IU was way up there in the amount they were willing to spend. Instead, we squandered those years with Woodson as the coach and now we're back to playing it safe.

[Pagoda]

3 hours ago, go iu bb said:

Unless there has been a drastic change in the mindset of the university and athletic department, a work around isn't an option. We've seen that.

It may or may not become an issue, hopefully it doesn't, but the staff seems to be targeting highly ranked recruits that not only will be demanding top dollars but will put IU in direct competition with schools he listed as being willing to spend more NIL. That doesn't give me warm fuzzies.  We've already missed on one recruit to either KU or UL because of NIL.

IU had a real chance to become a major player in college basketball when NIL was first introduced and IU was way up there in the amount they were willing to spend. Instead, we squandered those years with Woodson as the coach and now we're back to playing it safe.

Yea I don't really disagree.  As for the workaround, if almost all schools shifted to doing something like investing in players' companies in lieu of NIL to avoid the clearinghouse, I think we would follow suit since that's probably not technically against any rules (I don't know enough though).  I agree we won't do any illegal under the table stuff per our history.  We'll see -- NIL Go may just shift to approving almost everything, which may have started to happen recently?

The Woody years were just devastating.  First off, we hired him, a major setback.  Then that darn 4th year he got.  The perfect rebuild time was spring 2024 when we were flush with top-5 NIL of $6M and the player market was favorable.  We could afford almost anyone in that portal window!  And we would have one year of rebuild under our belt going into '25-'26.  Instead, Woody literally set that $6M on fire and we just had to rebuild into a much more difficult market this past spring with the rev share coming online increasing player comp 2x, maybe 2.5x.  Just terrible.  Oh well, it's water under the bridge now.

Anyways, thanks for reporting the Rabby info, my antenna are up on the IUBB NIL.  I'm not that well-sourced, but the people I know didn't sound too concerned.  But, someone told Rabby something likely to get the message out... so we'll see, this could be a serious problem.  I suppose it's good we are targeting highly ranked kids and I assume we know how much we need to pay them, but I'm really hoping we don't see any sort of trend of losing recruiting battles due to money.  That would stink.

Overall, money worries me.  We're still fundamentally a fairly small athletic dept.  We have some generous billionaires/high net worth folks, but I don't know how much they have left in the tank.  That's why I go wild about football, because if we could ever become a midsize football program that will transform our athletic dept financials -- there is athletic dept revenue upside of 20-30% in my view.

Fingers crossed our NIL situation is okay and CDD is the guy for the job.  I'd rather focus more on the actual games than NIL/rev share/coaching questions.

 

[Dave from Dayton]

My perspective is that the coach's abilities and drive and other intangibles decide very much of the situations.  The current situation really does appear to show that IU has tough winners at the top two men's sports head positions.  I am pumped.