NIL and IU

[Hovadipo]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

If they spent it all and evenly (which they didn't) that'd be a little over $150,000 per athlete.

I'm not totally sure how the 501(c)(3) works, but I'm guessing what they bring in doesn't necessarily have to go back out the same year. Wondering what that looks like.

Side note: I didn't know Tyler Harris is the executive director of HFG. Tyler is a GREAT guy.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

[/url] Nice to see a collective's numbers.

Not too shabby at all.


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[Crazy about IU]

Is the NIL money helping or is it hurting IU ?  I feel we are getting out bid on several key recruits in pat year. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Is the NIL money helping or is it hurting IU ?  I feel we are getting out bid on several key recruits in pat year. 

We are struggling still. You could argue recruiting hierarchy hasn’t changed much despite NIL. Top is still the top. The middle range has widened. 23 has been rough. Really rough. True judgement will come after transfer portal season. We should be poised to make a couple huge splashes. I fear we will need it.


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[HoosierHoops1]

2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

We are struggling still. You could argue recruiting hierarchy hasn’t changed much despite NIL. Top is still the top. The middle range has widened. 23 has been rough. Really rough. True judgement will come after transfer portal season. We should be poised to make a couple huge splashes. I fear we will need it.


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Indiana is using collectives and it seems legal methods and money. The same old cheaters are still using the same old boosters. Money from those boosters have been earmarked for years for 2023 etc.

[HoosierAloha]

Indiana is using collectives and it seems legal methods and money. The same old cheaters are still using the same old boosters. Money from those boosters have been earmarked for years for 2023 etc.

Oh wow is IU. Everyone is cheating except IU.

Get the money to the players. Get the money to recruits. It’s flipping legal now.

[HoosierHoops1]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Oh wow is IU. Everyone is cheating except IU.

Get the money to the players. Get the money to recruits. It’s flipping legal now.

You're wrong

[HoosierAloha]

9 hours ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

Man... Get over it.

I didn't piss in your cherios. Reply objectively, or don't reply to me. If there's a block feature, you're welcome to use it.

If you don't care to read my comment, I won't care to dumb it down for you.

And, it is not.

It's really not that difficult. We can either continue to take the woe is IU stance like we have for years or we can get the money to the players. It's legal, the players can get paid. Let's figure out a way to get the player money "legally" and stack talent.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

We are about the find out.  We will likely lose almost our whole starting 5. 
 

JHS- high odds 

X- 

Kopp-

Race-

TJD-

Duncomb- pretty much a certainty 

2 guards coming in.

We could start

Galloway, Bates, Banks/Gunn, Geronimo, Reneau

I don’t know how I feel about that.  Our best PG could be an undersized freshman PG (wink wink Purdue).  
 

I feel like we need 2 starter level players and a back up big to be top 25 good. 
 

I’m enjoying the heck out of this season but I realize how important TJD has been and JHS.  
 

 

[Hoosierfanyuh]

16 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

We are about the find out.  We will likely lose almost our whole starting 5. 
 

JHS- high odds 

X- 

Kopp-

Race-

TJD-

Duncomb- pretty much a certainty 

2 guards coming in.

We could start

Galloway, Bates, Banks/Gunn, Geronimo, Reneau

I don’t know how I feel about that.  Our best PG could be an undersized freshman PG (wink wink Purdue).  
 

I feel like we need 2 starter level players and a back up big to be top 25 good. 
 

I’m enjoying the heck out of this season but I realize how important TJD has been and JHS.  
 

 

Then enjoy the season and worry about that later lol

[WayneFleekHoosier]

9 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Then enjoy the season and worry about that later lol

One’s capable of doing both.  A great season is important and bad season to follow would be more impactful. We’ve all experienced Crean’s momentum letdown. I can project. I obviously don’t think it’s a lost cause.  NIL/transfers can save our butt and this is a thread about NIL.

[lillurk]

49 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

One’s capable of doing both.  A great season is important and bad season to follow would be more impactful. We’ve all experienced Crean’s momentum letdown. I can project. I obviously don’t think it’s a lost cause.  NIL/transfers can save our butt and this is a thread about NIL.

I do think the likely returning nucleus is interesting and gives you a fair “floor” with space to add some high impact transfers or a Scoop/Malik-style spring shakeout commit

[cthomas]

This is the new landscape of college football and basketball. Continuity is going to be hard to come by. The reasons for a kid to transfer now includes the promise of more money elsewhere. Maybe it always did and I just never saw it. Years ago, we kind of knew what the team was going to look like from year to year. Now we are filling out or building a team every year. I doubt we will ever see teams built the way they were in our glory years again. The king is dead, long live the king.

[HoosierHoops1]

2 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

It's really not that difficult. We can either continue to take the woe is IU stance like we have for years or we can get the money to the players. It's legal, the players can get paid. Let's figure out a way to get the player money "legally" and stack talent.

To my knowledge, you're the only one espousing woe. I was talking about dozens of illegal boosters at school 1 seamlessly continuing. 

Where no (or few) Illegal boosters at another, started to weigh their involvement and didn't have money earmarked for "boosting".

IU didn't have a booster pipeline and started creating collectives etc, in following the rules. There are rules and Miami and others have violated them.  

While whatever is legal, is legal, some schools had the pipeline, because before there was little funneling at many places.

 

 

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[Alford Bailey]

Men’s basketball should get what ever is needed here. Followed by women’s basketball and men’s soccer. Football gets the leftovers til we show some commitment to being competitive. MBB could still pull several big recruits at the moment.

[HoosierAloha]

7 hours ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

To my knowledge, you're the only one espousing woe. I was talking about dozens of illegal boosters at school 1 seamlessly continuing. 

Where no (or few) Illegal boosters at another, started to weigh their involvement and didn't have money earmarked for "boosting".

IU didn't have a booster pipeline and started creating collectives etc, in following the rules. There are rules and Miami and others have violated them.  

While whatever is legal, is legal, some schools had the pipeline, because before there was little funneling at many places.

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I'm mocking it because it's absolutely ridiculous. There have been enough boosters wanting to get money or "boosting" for years that we could have been competing. We're almost 2 years into this and trying to play the "others have been doing it illegally for years how could we ever have money earmarked for 2023!!" card. That's where the "woe is IU for doing the right thing" crap comes from. It's ridiculous.

There were rules before and nobody gave a crap about them. The NCAA is a paper tiger that knows they can't do **** about it.

How long are we expecting it to take for us to figure out how to get money to players? I guess we're like 5+ decades behind because we've always been clean and only others have been cheating.

[RaceToTheTop]

I'm not sure why we are even discussing what happened prior to NIL now that it's around.

[HoosierHoops1]

2 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'm mocking it because it's absolutely ridiculous. There have been enough boosters wanting to get money or "boosting" for years that we could have been competing. We're almost 2 years into this and trying to play the "others have been doing it illegally for years how could we ever have money earmarked for 2023!!" card. That's where the "woe is IU for doing the right thing" crap comes from. It's ridiculous.

There were rules before and nobody gave a crap about them. The NCAA is a paper tiger that knows they can't do **** about it.

How long are we expecting it to take for us to figure out how to get money to players? I guess we're like 5+ decades behind because we've always been clean and only others have been cheating.

where are they?

[HoosierHoops1]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I'm not sure why we are even discussing what happened prior to NIL now that it's around.

Because the cheat or don't cheat mentality of people didn't change with NIL. Non-cheat boosters would likely still want to not cheat (stay within the proposed rules)

2 teams have 100 rich boosters.

1 team had 50 of them always paying recruits under the table, earmarking it for whatever the F.

a 2nd team had 2 always paying recruits, but many of their boosters never considered illegally paying recruits and their money went to whatever the F but not recruits.

The rules changed, but there are STILL RULES!

Team 1 shifts their illegal efforts to "legal" but not really because it's still against the rules.

Team 2 boosters create collectives, hire players to represent their banks,  real estate companies, car dealerships etc, while staying within what is SUPPOSED to be the legal boundaries. 

 

Where's the list of Crazy a$$ deals that have been made? Not 5 or 6, but the 150 that are supposed to make all the difference.

[JSHoosier]

3 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

I'm mocking it because it's absolutely ridiculous. There have been enough boosters wanting to get money or "boosting" for years that we could have been competing. We're almost 2 years into this and trying to play the "others have been doing it illegally for years how could we ever have money earmarked for 2023!!" card. That's where the "woe is IU for doing the right thing" crap comes from. It's ridiculous.

There were rules before and nobody gave a crap about them. The NCAA is a paper tiger that knows they can't do **** about it.

How long are we expecting it to take for us to figure out how to get money to players? I guess we're like 5+ decades behind because we've always been clean and only others have been cheating.

As I've said before, if the NCAA doesn't care and they don't, those 'rules' aren't worth the paper they're written on.  The NCAA knew teams were paying players and instead of cracking down on that they made it so teams can be more open about it.