2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

[PB1230]

36 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

If Miller Kopp isn't almost entirely a three point specialist then we're using him wrong on offense.

He should be spotting up on the perimeter and waiting for a kick-out pass when a driver or post player draws a double.

 

I think its more a confidence issue. I think the staff had intended to use him for more than a 3 point specialist, but Kopp just wasn't assertive enough to take the shots the staff wanted him to take

[5fouls]

Just my opinion, but for the team to maximize its potential, Tamar Bates needs to begin to maximize his.  He can help get us to a different level than Kopp or Galloway.  If he doesn't, we can still be good.  Just not as good as if he does.

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by 5fouls

[HoosierHoopster]

4 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Just my opinion, but for the team to maximize its potential, Tamar Bates needs to begin to maximize his.  He can help get us to a different level than Kopp or Galloway.  If he doesn't, we can still be good.  Just not as good as if he does.

 

I tend to agree though with the add that Geronimo's continuing growth / maximizing his potential is at least equally important, he's a beast. Bates has the ability to make a big time jump, and brings a much more diverse game than Kopp. I remain hopeful / optimistic on Galloway, who brings that improve-everyone-around-him game, we do tend to play better as a team and the ball moves better when he's on the floor -- but he also needs to improve his out-of-control baseline drives and his shooting. 

- Also, in some ways the Galloway / Geronimo discussion reminds me of the old Sheehey / Vic discussions. Galloway has a lot (imo) of Sheehey in his game, the guy other teams don't like/don't want defending them. 

[BGleas]

6 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

Just my opinion, but for the team to maximize its potential, Tamar Bates needs to begin to maximize his.  He can help get us to a different level than Kopp or Galloway.  If he doesn't, we can still be good.  Just not as good as if he does.

 

Agree on Bates. It would be huge if he makes a big leap.

With that said, I also don't think Bates ascending would really impact Galloway's minutes. Lots of perimeter minutes between XJ, JHS, Bates, Galloway and Kopp. 

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

So it appears clear Dexter Dennis is waiting on TJD to make a decision?  This whole thing is interesting. 

[IUFAN1976]

4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

So it appears clear Dexter Dennis is waiting on TJD to make a decision?  This whole thing is interesting. 

That’s not a good exchange!  It is probably because of his  NIL potential.  I wish we would get a big that contributed at his previous school in exchange, if TJD doesn’t return 

i wish the very best for TJD, but I hope that is his return to the Hoosiers 

[PB1230]

24 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

That’s not a good exchange!  It is probably because of his  NIL potential.  I wish we would get a big that contributed at his previous school in exchange, if TJD doesn’t return 

i wish the very best for TJD, but I hope that is his return to the Hoosiers 

I think that there are very few available bigs that would be able to get minutes over Race/JG/Reneau/Duncomb. A guy like Dennis would at least be competing for minutes at a spot with the greatest uncertainty on the team.

[Uspshoosier]

4 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

So it appears clear Dexter Dennis is waiting on TJD to make a decision?  This whole thing is interesting. 

Not according to one’s in the know.   Separate decisions.    Sounds like the Pack deal has more to do with Dennis decision then TJD staying or going 

[RaceToTheTop]

38 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

That’s not a good exchange!  It is probably because of his  NIL potential.  I wish we would get a big that contributed at his previous school in exchange, if TJD doesn’t return 

i wish the very best for TJD, but I hope that is his return to the Hoosiers 

Then again, the Big Ten just got a little smaller with Cockburn and Trevion Williams moving on.

If Dennis is waiting for TJD to decide and then commit to IU (big IF), then that likely pushes Geronimo to the 4 spot where he is more comfortable.  That isn't a bad thing.  The main thing pushing him to try and learn to play the 3 was finding a way to maximize his minutes on the court.  While Race playing the 5 might not seem ideal when guarding a guy like Zach Edey, I also could see Edey having a lot of trouble playing against an agile 5.

[Stuhoo]

 

Interesting Podcast on the Brink observations from SI draft analyst Jeremy Woo. He has TJD in the 80's and says that Trayce has had three years to show that he could add elements to his game; not just merely become a better version of the same player.

Woo said that Trayce will have trouble showing a perimeter game at the combine: unlike at IU, offense will not be run specifically for him, and the combine tends to be very guard oriented on offense.

Finally, he said that the five on five games aren't the interesting part and that many of the top players at the combine won't participate in the five-on-fives. The stuff the NBA execs look for is to 'see who pops' during individual workouts. 

 

 

[Honkyman]

56 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Interesting Podcast on the Brink observations from SI draft analyst Jeremy Woo.

Woo says TJD could get a 2-way contract and play G League. But best case is he would be on an NBA team in 3 years. He's not very optimistic about Trayce's chances.

[go iu bb]

4 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

Woo says TJD could get a 2-way contract and play G League. But best case is he would be on an NBA team in 3 years. He's not very optimistic about Trayce's chances.

So you're saying there's a chance IU has him for 2 more years. I'll take it! 

[Honkyman]

5 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

So you're saying there's a chance IU has him for 2 more years

Who knows what Trayce is thinking? Woo seems to think TJD won't be drafted but could wind up with some deal that would allow him to get to the NBA in 3 years. Nothing definite of course.

[HoosierHoopster]

If TJD could even show consistent mid-range / elbow shooting he’d be an easy first rounder. Don’t see him being drafted now, but whether another year at IU or the G League or overseas makes the best sense for him is his own personal decision. Still, regardless of what this guy says or the outlook generally on seniors getting drafted, he could def come back and show steady shooting and seriously boost his shot at an NBA career, but that would require him to show shooting and step outside his comfort zone to do so

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Interesting Podcast on the Brink observations from SI draft analyst Jeremy Woo. He has TJD in the 80's and says that Trayce has had three years to show that he could add elements to his game; not just merely become a better version of the same player.

Woo said that Trayce will have trouble showing a perimeter game at the combine: unlike at IU, offense will not be run specifically for him, and the combine tends to be very guard oriented on offense.

Finally, he said that the five on five games aren't the interesting part and that many of the top players at the combine won't participate in the five-on-fives. The stuff the NBA execs look for is to 'see who pops' during individual workouts. 

 

 

Would be interesting to hear his take on Cockburn’s decision to leave Illinois.

[Aaron]

9 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Would be interesting to hear his take on Cockburn’s decision to leave Illinois.

It was addressed with Cockburn if you listen to the podcast.

[BGleas]

If TJD were to leave and end up with a 2-way contract, he'd most likely play in the NBA next season and make 6-figures doing it. 

Sure, he'd also play in the G-League, but he'd be working in an NBA system with NBA level coaches (not saying Woodson isn't an NBA level coach, more alluding to the system and the rest of the staffs) and he'd get at least some time with the NBA club he's with to prove himself. 

I mean, Sam Hauser had a 2-way contract with the Celtics and played in 26 games for them and has been dressed for playoff games. 

Juwan Morgan was a 2-way player and started two playoff games that year for Utah. 

Is it an easy road? No. But most 2-way guys at least get a shot. It's an easier road than 20-30 years ago when there wasn't a G-League or 2-Way contracts. 

[Tasmanian Devil]

7 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Then again, the Big Ten just got a little smaller with Cockburn and Trevion Williams moving on.

If Dennis is waiting for TJD to decide and then commit to IU (big IF), then that likely pushes Geronimo to the 4 spot where he is more comfortable.  That isn't a bad thing.  The main thing pushing him to try and learn to play the 3 was finding a way to maximize his minutes on the court.  While Race playing the 5 might not seem ideal when guarding a guy like Zach Edey, I also could see Edey having a lot of trouble playing against an agile 5.

Thing is, how often do you even have to play against an Edey? Not very often.

A front court of Race, Jordan and Dennis is gonna win you a LOT of games. I’m still betting on TJD coming back, though. Just wondering if he does if that means a no on Dennis, or is there something that can be done to make room for him? 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Just now, BGleas said:

If TJD were to leave and end up with a 2-way contract, he'd most likely play in the NBA next season and make 6-figured doing it. 

Sure, he'd also play in the G-League, but he'd be working in an NBA system with NBA level coaches and he'd get at least some time with the NBA club he's with to prove himself. 

I mean, Sam Hauser had a 2-way contract with the Celtics and played in 26 games for them and has been dressed for playoff games. 

Juwan Morgan was a 2-way player and started two playoff games that year for Utah. 

Is it an easy road? No. But most 2-way guys at least get a shot. It's an easier road than 20-30 years ago when there wasn't a G-League or 2-Way contracts. 

True - but both of those guys had demonstrated they could shoot an outside jumper. Trayce never has.

[BGleas]

1 minute ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

True - but both of those guys had demonstrated they could shoot an outside jumper. Trayce never has.

Those were just two examples. I'm sure I could go find examples of bigs that played in the NBA on a 2-way contract. 

Also, Morgan shot under 30% from 3 his senior year at IU and was never a consistent shooter in college.