Mike Woodson and His Coaching Staff

[8bucks]

I don’t know that’s why I said rumors. It could have been all Dolson. 

I know Woody wasn’t happy when we started talking to Matta.


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[RoadRage]

5 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

We've had multiple chances to hire Alford and went with other guys. If our administration coveted him that much, he'd already be here. 

Yep, they have passed on him several times. Unlike a lot of people on this forum, I don't hate Alford, and the guy can recruit, I wouldn't be surprised if he had some level of success here, but he would divide the fan base and we have been through too much of that lately. As much as I like Woody, I'm not sure he is the answer either.....

[8bucks]

Yep, they have passed on him several times. Unlike a lot of people on this forum, I don't hate Alford, and the guy can recruit, I wouldn't be surprised if he had some level of success here, but he would divide the fan base and we have been through too much of that lately. As much as I like Woody, I'm not sure he is the answer either.....

If Woody does not succeed and the top coaches aren’t interested then the an Alford candidate is not as far fetched. Fan base may have left anyway so not much to divide.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Money still and will always talk. If we are willing to spend, truly, we will get a top notch coach. Simple as that. Not too many 3-4 million a year coaches that will turn down 8 million a year. A few will but, identifying that right guy is the problem. Needs to be a proven winner, who is very confident in himself.


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[IUc2016]

I have been pretty down the past month as many, so here is my attempt at some positivity and hope...

This roster has glaring weaknesses. IMO, even with a top notch coach, I am not sure that this roster is anything more than an 8/9 seed in the NCAA tournament. No dynamic scorers, not really any length and quickness on the wings, and undersized bigs who lack perimeter skills. I know that going into each game in the big ten I never felt that IU had more talent than the other teams outside the teams IU finished ahead of in the standings. Do they have enough talent to get into the tournament? yes, but not as much to really do anything. And this roster is not on Woody, yes he brought in transfers but the bulk is left over from the past staff. 

SO....

It all comes down to recruiting. I think we have seen a strong shift in the type of players IU has commitments from and continues to go after. Unlike Archie, Woody has shown the ability to recruit nationally and not just Indiana. He is recruiting dynamic scorers and guys with length. Plus he seems to have guys that have real basketball IQ. If he can develop those guys and keep the young guys IU has, we will be fine. Do I think Woody takes us to national titles and mulitple final 4s? no. But I do think the way he is recruiting he can have us constantly in the tournament with chances to make some runs and that is a far cry from where this program has been. Not making the tournament this year is definitely not ideal, but it isn't the end. The next 2 classes are important to get on campus and develop. 

Go Hoosiers. 

[Double Down]

3 hours ago, IUc2016 said:

I have been pretty down the past month as many, so here is my attempt at some positivity and hope...

This roster has glaring weaknesses. IMO, even with a top notch coach, I am not sure that this roster is anything more than an 8/9 seed in the NCAA tournament. No dynamic scorers, not really any length and quickness on the wings, and undersized bigs who lack perimeter skills. I know that going into each game in the big ten I never felt that IU had more talent than the other teams outside the teams IU finished ahead of in the standings. Do they have enough talent to get into the tournament? yes, but not as much to really do anything. And this roster is not on Woody, yes he brought in transfers but the bulk is left over from the past staff. 

SO....

It all comes down to recruiting. I think we have seen a strong shift in the type of players IU has commitments from and continues to go after. Unlike Archie, Woody has shown the ability to recruit nationally and not just Indiana. He is recruiting dynamic scorers and guys with length. Plus he seems to have guys that have real basketball IQ. If he can develop those guys and keep the young guys IU has, we will be fine. Do I think Woody takes us to national titles and mulitple final 4s? no. But I do think the way he is recruiting he can have us constantly in the tournament with chances to make some runs and that is a far cry from where this program has been. Not making the tournament this year is definitely not ideal, but it isn't the end. The next 2 classes are important to get on campus and develop. 

Go Hoosiers. 

I was a little (LOT) whiney about missing the tournament in the Rutgers thread. In the long run, I'm more optimistic that not. I guess that's because I have no other choice, as I can't affect anything typing words into white boxes on the internet. 

I like the class coming in and I'm with you on this. I reserve ultimate judgement for a while and just hope that this first year back in college is a learning experience to grow from.

[IU Scott]

18 hours ago, 8bucks said:

If Woody does not succeed and the top coaches aren’t interested then the an Alford candidate is not as far fetched. Fan base may have left anyway so not much to divide.


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If Woodson doesn't work we will be back to hiring an up and coming mid major coach.

[cthomas]

19 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

If Woodson doesn't work we will be back to hiring an up and coming mid major coach.

I understand the concerns based on how the season has gone. I think it is way early to make any determination about whether or not CMW will work out. He has said that he is still learning the college game and I'm sure the limitations of college basketball players compared to the guys he is used to has been a shock. But, he loves IU. He is invested in it on a level that no one in a long time has been. The kids he is recruiting should give us a window into the type of team he wants. Whether he can make that a reality or not remains to be seen. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. This team, while not achieving what we may have wanted, has at least been competitive and has seldom looked disinterested. I'll take that as a step in the right direction.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Even though I'm not happy we lost some games we shouldn't, I tend to agree with this tweet.

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[IU Scott]

I really don't know why anyone would want to coach college basketball in this day and age social media.  Fans act like they have the right to just bash people and make it personal.

[HoosierAloha]

16 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I really don't know why anyone would want to coach college basketball in this day and age social media.  Fans act like they have the right to just bash people and make it personal.

Whaaaat?!

1) stupid to bash people and make it personal anywhere

2) they make millions, I doubt it says anywhere in their contract that they have to read social media

3) I'm sure many people have had to deal with a lot worse than those big bad meanies on social media for far less than coaching college basketball

[Stuhoo]

28 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I really don't know why anyone would want to coach college basketball in this day and age social media.  Fans act like they have the right to just bash people and make it personal.

Woody has made it very clear; he does NOT read or participate in any social media.

He knows it’s a losing battle, but he tries to steer his players away from social media too.

[IU Scott]

21 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Whaaaat?!

1) stupid to bash people and make it personal anywhere

2) they make millions, I doubt it says anywhere in their contract that they have to read social media

3) I'm sure many people have had to deal with a lot worse than those big bad meanies on social media for far less than coaching college basketball

Probably should have made it more clear.  I meant coaches having to deal with players being on social media and reading what fans are saying about them.  We have no idea what is going on in these players life.  Maybe a player has a few bad games it is because they are having some personal problems or something with their families.  Sounds like the few games XJ played bad was during the time his grandfather lady away.

[HoosierAloha]

3 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Probably should have made it more clear.  I meant coaches having to deal with players being on social media and reading what fans are saying about them.  We have no idea what is going on in these players life.  Maybe a player has a few bad games it is because they are having some personal problems or something with their families.  Sounds like the few games XJ played bad was during the time his grandfather lady away.

Again, people are idiots and shouldn't be tweeting at players. However, it's a fantastic opportunity for coaches to mold these young men.

[IU Scott]

2 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Again, people are idiots and shouldn't be tweeting at players. However, it's a fantastic opportunity for coaches to mold these young men.

I know why they coach and at one time that was my dream to be a college coach.  It just seems like a hard way to live with all the pressure to win quickly.  The amount of time you have to spend away from your family.  That you have to kiss the @$$ of 17-18 year old  players to come to your school and dealing with all of their hangers on.

[Stuhoo]

Cannot wait to see what we do with a talent upgrade at the wing.

There is hope for the future.

[MikeRoberts]

On 3/5/2022 at 2:53 PM, Stuhoo said:

Cannot wait to see what we do with a talent upgrade at the wing.

There is hope for the future.

I hope we get some! That would be nice

[str8baller]

On 3/3/2022 at 8:29 PM, RoadRage said:

Yep, they have passed on him several times. Unlike a lot of people on this forum, I don't hate Alford, and the guy can recruit, I wouldn't be surprised if he had some level of success here, but he would divide the fan base and we have been through too much of that lately. As much as I like Woody, I'm not sure he is the answer either.....

My problem with Alford is that he’s been given the chance twice in major confs and has been lackluster both times. Very good mid major coach, but not the level of  coach that will succeed at IU. 

[Stuhoo]

4 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

I hope we get some! That would be nice

Lord knows we need it.

[Kentuckysucks]

On 3/4/2022 at 7:17 AM, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Money still and will always talk. If we are willing to spend, truly, we will get a top notch coach. Simple as that. Not too many 3-4 million a year coaches that will turn down 8 million a year. A few will but, identifying that right guy is the problem. Needs to be a proven winner, who is very confident in himself.


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At this point it's an administration problem more than anything.  They can spend all the money they want but until they replace this woke administration who wants to lose the right way rather than play the game nothing changes.