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[NashvilleHoosier]

20 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

You can't appear in a tournament that didn't happen, so no he doesn’t have an NCAA appearance here.

Yes, thank you. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

My intention was never to dig up any discussion about whether Archie is worthy of continuing to be the coach and debating his resume. That's all been covered plenty so I was definitely not trying to start that debate. It was about evaluating the one single point of NCAA tourney appearances (while again, I'm acknowledging there is plenty of other things he should be judged on). If you are prepared to say that his evaluation on whether he should be fired or not should include NCAA tournament appearances, and you're assessment is that he should be judged as being 0-3 on NCAA tournament appearances, you are not applying the proper context and critical thinking necessary. 

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

We can still look at last year. Which was 9-11 in conference, good for 10th in conference. He was 7-3 at in conference but 2-8 on the road. His legacy at Indiana is a Devonte Green chest code game, beating Michigan State, beating his first Top 5 team in Iowa and getting whooped by Purdue multiple times. 

What the heck is a "chest code game?" 

Is that like when MJ destroyed the Utah Jazz with the flu? Wait that's chest cold. Although, when I have a chest cold, I probably pronounce it "code." 

[Hoosierfan2017]

7 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Yes, I know. On paper, he doesn't have one. I'm not going to type out everything again. Just re-read my posts. 

Yeah, I reread your posts. You stated 

“If you are prepared to say that one of the reasons that should factor into him being fired is b/c we have zero NCAA tourney appearances, you are not qualified to make that decision b/c you lack the ability to think critically and put things in proper context, which I'm not surprised to be typing right now.”

We have zero tournament appearances under Archie. Last year, it’s likely we would’ve made the tournament. But it wasn’t a given. Weirder things have happened.
 

The “context” is that we went 9-11 in the conference and finished T-10th. We were the 11th seed in the conference tournament because we lost the tiebreaker. We very well could’ve been in a position where we were a shoo-in for the tournament. At one point we were 15-4. Then, we went 4-8 over our last 12 regular season games. 
 

But, ultimately it doesn’t really matter. It’s semantics. Archie’s job at IU won’t be saved or lost by a tournament appearance in an NCAA tournament that never happened. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

3 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

My intention was never to dig up any discussion about whether Archie is worthy of continuing to be the coach and debating his resume. That's all been covered plenty so I was definitely not trying to start that debate. It was about evaluating the one single point of NCAA tourney appearances (while again, I'm acknowledging there is plenty of other things he should be judged on). If you are prepared to say that his evaluation on whether he should be fired or not should include NCAA tournament appearances, and you're assessment is that he should be judged as being 0-3 on NCAA tournament appearances, you are not applying the proper context and critical thinking necessary. 

Well hey, I agree with you here. If someone is saying he’s 0-3 in tournament appearances at IU then they’re not applying the right context. But, that’s not what I’m doing, and I’m not seeing anyone else do it either. He’s not 0-3 in making the tournament. He didn’t miss last year’s tournament. But he didn’t make it either. The tournament just didn’t happen, so we’re left to evaluate that season on what did.

[Uspshoosier]

8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Yeah, I reread your posts. You stated 

“If you are prepared to say that one of the reasons that should factor into him being fired is b/c we have zero NCAA tourney appearances, you are not qualified to make that decision b/c you lack the ability to think critically and put things in proper context, which I'm not surprised to be typing right now.”

We have zero tournament appearances under Archie. Last year, it’s likely we would’ve made the tournament. But it wasn’t a given. Weirder things have happened.
 

The “context” is that we went 9-11 in the conference and finished T-10th. We were the 11th seed in the conference tournament because we lost the tiebreaker. We very well could’ve been in a position where we were a shoo-in for the tournament. At one point we were 15-4. Then, we went 4-8 over our last 12 regular season games. 
 

But, ultimately it doesn’t really matter. It’s semantics. Archie’s job at IU won’t be saved or lost by a tournament appearance in an NCAA tournament that never happened. 

IU would of made the tourney last year.  With the Nebraska win in the tourney pretty much locked them in with a  no worse then a 10-11 seed.  But as you said it doesn’t matter now.   Sucks for IU fans and their players that they didn’t get a chance to see their team compete in the tournament when they had a resume deserving of one.   Just think how it feels to be a Dayton fan.   Grant coached them to a once in a lifetime season at Dayton where they would of gotten a 2 seed and would of been a serious threat to win it.   But like IU and others Dayton best regular  season goes on without an ncaa tournament appearance.  It’s like that season happened for them and Grant.   Now they are back down to reality and will be fighting for an appearance 

[HoosierAloha]

Good ****, we’ll argue over anything when one possesses a strong opinion about something, regardless of right or wrong.

The ******* point was there are plenty of reasons Archie could/should be fired. It’s ******* hilarious that you knew the ones who would be bitching and moaning about even mentioning Archie and tournament appearance in the same post.

The fact is the resume of the team Archie was coaching last season was good enough to have made the tournament. AND it’s still fair to think Archie should be let go.

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Good ****, we’ll argue over anything when one possesses a strong opinion about something, regardless of right or wrong.

The ******* point was there are plenty of reasons Archie could/should be fired. It’s ******* hilarious that you knew the ones who would be bitching and moaning about even mentioning Archie and tournament appearance in the same post.

The fact is the resume of the team Archie was coaching last season was good enough to have made the tournament. AND it’s still fair to think Archie should be let go.

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So I guess it takes critical thinking to understand that "should have gotten into the tourney" is a worthless talking point. Why?

No one made the tourney.

Because a 10 seed doesn't help Archie's case. 

We had an entire regular season was enough to put Archie into a hole. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Good ****, we’ll argue over anything when one possesses a strong opinion about something, regardless of right or wrong.

The ******* point was there are plenty of reasons Archie could/should be fired. It’s ******* hilarious that you knew the ones who would be bitching and moaning about even mentioning Archie and tournament appearance in the same post.

The fact is the resume of the team Archie was coaching last season was good enough to have made the tournament. AND it’s still fair to think Archie should be let go.

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

So I guess it takes critical thinking to understand that "should have gotten into the tourney" is a worthless talking point. Why?
No one made the tourney.
Because a 10 seed doesn't help Archie's case. 
We had an entire regular season was enough to put Archie into a hole. 

Are you saying that because he would have made the Tournament if there was one that Nashville is saying Archie shoukd stay?
Because if you are, you do need get better at comprehension.

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

10 minutes ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

Are you saying that because he would have made the Tournament if there was one that Nashville is saying Archie shoukd stay?
Because if you are, you do need get better at comprehension.

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I'm saying it never needs to even be brought up. No one cares that we should have made the tourney. We didn't have an awesome Top 4 seed taken away from us. It's a meaningless talking point. The "context" around last season doesn't need to include anything about the NCAA tourney. It can stop after mentioning a below .500 conference record and getting whooped by Purdue. 

[cappymo14]

We can still look at last year. Which was 9-11 in conference, good for 10th in conference. He was 7-3 at in conference but 2-8 on the road. His legacy at Indiana is a Devonte Green chest code game, beating Michigan State, beating his first Top 5 team in Iowa and getting whooped by Purdue multiple times. 

I don’t disagree; however, I would also challenge you to find a team not named MSU, who had a winning record in away games. I’ll save you the search, there weren’t any. That said, I think his legacy, for me, will always be losing 12 straight games with a team that was capable of beating the leagues best on any random night. I’ll never be able to think about him, without thinking about that.


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[Uspshoosier]

29 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I'm saying it never needs to even be brought up. No one cares that we should have made the tourney. We didn't have an awesome Top 4 seed taken away from us. It's a meaningless talking point. The "context" around last season doesn't need to include anything about the NCAA tourney. It can stop after mentioning a below .500 conference record and getting whooped by Purdue. 

Never needs to be brought up for you and you don’t care that IU should of made the tournament. Meaningless taking point for you.   If someone wants to bring up the “context” of last season and mention that IU should of made the tournament who am I or you to tell them they can’t.  Again just because you don’t want to talk about it maybe some do.   A struggling program was set to make the tournament last year so  of course some people are going to want to bring it up 

[NashvilleHoosier]

26 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I'm saying it never needs to even be brought up. No one cares that we should have made the tourney. We didn't have an awesome Top 4 seed taken away from us. It's a meaningless talking point. The "context" around last season doesn't need to include anything about the NCAA tourney. It can stop after mentioning a below .500 conference record and getting whooped by Purdue. 

How we got to this point in the discussion and you thought conversation was about this is just beyond me. 
 

I’ll just go a different direction and say I wish we could all sit around a table with some beers and have a chat about IU hoops. At very least we all want the same thing.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

3 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

How we got to this point in the discussion and you thought conversation was about this is just beyond me. 
 

I’ll just go a different direction and say I wish we could all sit around a table with some beers and have a chat about IU hoops. At very least we all want the same thing.

I don't drink, but I'll take a Big Red.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Never needs to be brought up for you and you don’t care that IU should of made the tournament. Meaningless taking point for you.   If someone wants to bring up the “context” of last season and mention that IU should of made the tournament who am I or you to tell them they can’t.  Again just because you don’t want to talk about it maybe some do.   A struggling program was set to make the tournament last year so  of course some people are going to want to bring it up 

A struggling program was set to show how much it is struggling on national television. Thankfully this season everything has been on BTN or FS1 rather than ESPN. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

8 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

A struggling program was set to show how much it is struggling on national television. Thankfully this season everything has been on BTN or FS1 rather than ESPN. 

You should take up drinking.

[Uspshoosier]

16 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

A struggling program was set to show how much it is struggling on national television. Thankfully this season everything has been on BTN or FS1 rather than ESPN. 

I will take watching them play in the tournament regardless of how much the program is struggling  and I really don’t care how that looks on national television.   But I also don’t worry myself or lose my mind thinking of what the national perception is of iu.  For me a loss is a loss.   Losing on espn compared to BTN or FS1 is still just a loss.  I will let others worry more about the right way for IU to win or lose or what channel each should happen on 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

13 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I will take watching them play in the tournament regardless of how much the program is struggling  and I really don’t care how that looks on national television.   But I also don’t worry myself or lose my mind thinking of what the national perception is of iu.  For me a loss is a loss.   Losing on espn compared to BTN or FS1 is still just a loss.  I will let others worry more about the right way for IU to win or lose or what channel each should happen on 

You may not care about our national perception, but it's incredibly important. Whether you like it or not. We've been on ESPN zero times this season. We finally get an ESPN2 game against Illinois. Why? Who wants to watch Indiana anymore other than Indiana fans? No one. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

28 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

You should take up drinking.

Tried that once.