General Coach Candidate News

[Trish]

37 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

Treesh said: "Some of my biggest issues with CTC's teams and his coaching included the defense, the lack of TO's, the offense starting with 7 seconds left on the shot clock, the lack of in-game adjustments, the lack of progress the overall team experienced in a given season."

You could be describing Archie Miller's teams as well. Defense? Like the defense we put up against Purdue and Rutgers? The lack of progress in a given season. And on and on. These complaints sound like a description of the past four years under Archie.

 

The fundamentals have been better under Archie. Archie has been using his TO's better than his previous years and arguably better than CTC ever did. The inconsistency has been the biggest issue with Archie. CTC was at least a bit more consistent with winning games. This team can play defense, we saw it when we shut down the #1 offense in America on the road last Thursday.

Would've loved to have seen Archie with that Zeller + Oladipo team. He hasn't had a team that great here obviously and more than likely will never obtain a team that great here --- but I'd take his coaching over CTC's with a great roster. 

Archie will be here next year. We'll see what this roster can become over an off-season. TJD will return, the freshman could improve over the summer with the addition of Luke + Parker. If he can't win next year with the projected line up of 

Phin 

Frank

Parker

Race

TJD

Then he's gone. It took Shaka Smart five years, maybe it's going to take Archie 5 years? EDIT: And to be clear, I'm open for a coaching change. But it must be a home-run. Lateral moves are not welcomed. 

[Honkyman]

If the fundamentals under Archie are better, they haven't translated into real success yet. By year four, Crean's team reached the Sweet Sixteen. With Archie's teams, improvement is painfully slow. Hoosier fans are losing patience. Besides, the fundamentals don't seem improved when watching games like IU v. Purdue.

[Stuhoo]

11 minutes ago, Treesh said:

The fundamentals have been better under Archie. Archie has been using his TO's better than his previous years and arguably better than CTC ever did. The inconsistency has been the biggest issue with Archie. CTC was at least a bit more consistent with winning games. This team can play defense, we saw it when we shut down the #1 offense in America on the road last Thursday.

Would've loved to have seen Archie with that Zeller + Oladipo team. He hasn't had a team that great here obviously and more than likely will never obtain a team that great here --- but I'd take his coaching over CTC's with a great roster. 

Archie will be here next year. We'll see what this roster can become over an off-season. TJD will return, the freshman could improve over the summer with the addition of Luke + Parker. If he can't win next year with the projected line up of 

Phin 

Frank

Parker

Race

TJD

Then he's gone. It took Shaka Smart five years, maybe it's going to take Archie 5 years? EDIT: And to be clear, I'm open for a coaching change. But it must be a home-run. Lateral moves are not welcomed. 

FWIW, for next year I'd expect either Lander or Geronimo to be in the starting lineup before I'd likely put Stewart in there.

[DChoosier]

9 hours ago, bleedhoosier said:

I think one thing that is starting to feel like an Archie coached team pattern, is the last 3 years, they have turned on the heat in the final stretch. 

I’m not sure about “turning up the heat“ down the stretch.

Last year we went 1-3 in our last 4 conference games.

From 2/1 forward we were 4-6 in conference (plus lost the last two games in January).

Hopefully that’s not our new definition of a “run”.

EDIT: and two years ago, from today’s date 1/25 and going forward, we were 5-7 in conference (and lost all 5 games previous to that). On the positive side we did win the last 4 in a row but then inexplicably slept-walked through the OSU BTT game which was widely considered to be a play-in game for the NCAA tourney. I hope we turn it up down the stretch this year but don’t think the previous years are proof that will happen. We will see.

[Feathery]

17 hours ago, schoosier said:

He will get one more year. Our admin hasn’t cared about bball since 99 and football is on the way up.

Probably right. After next season when the buyout is down to $3 mil, Archie will have 2 years remaining on his contract. He has to be extended or fired. So it’s shaping up to be a hot seat season. 

[rcbowla]

FWIW, for next year I'd expect either Lander or Geronimo to be in the starting lineup before I'd likely put Stewart in there.

And I'm not putting TJD in there considering he isn't likely to be back. Likely lineup if no coaching change is made???
Thompson
Hunter
Galloway
Franklin
Phinesee

I just don't see Lander or Geronimo starting over the junior or senior. I also don't see that lineup being any better than this year. Basically trading TJD for Hunter.

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[Feathery]

1 minute ago, rcs29 said:

And I'm not putting TJD in there considering he isn't likely to be back. Likely lineup if no coaching change is made???
Thompson
Hunter
Galloway
Franklin
Phinesee

I just don't see Lander or Geronimo starting over the junior or senior. I also don't see that lineup being any better than this year. Basically trading TJD for Hunter.

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TJD may not care if he is a first round pick or not. However, he is projected to be a late 2nd round pick or not drafted at all. No guarantee money in that case. He’d be best served coming back. 

[rcbowla]

TJD may not care if he is a first round pick or not. However, he is projected to be a late 2nd round pick or not drafted at all. No guarantee money in that case. He’d be best served coming back. 

Why out of curiosity do you say that? Has he developed a jumper in 2 years under this staff? If he hasn't done that by now why would it all of a sudden change? And that is what most think is the reason his stock isn't high. I'd argue he'd be better served going to the G-League and being developed there. The really isn't much he can do outside of that to increase his value.

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[rcbowla]

And I didn't intend to come off as a jerk there but I could see how that may have happened

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[8bucks]

I’m not sure about turning up the heat down the stretch.
Last year we went 1-3 in our last 4 conference games.
From 2/1 forward we were 4-6 in conference (plus lost the last two games in January).
Hopefully that’s not our new definition of a “run”.
EDIT: and two years ago, from today’s date 1/25 and going forward, we were 5-7 in conference (and lost all 5 games previous to that). On the positive side we did win the last 4 in a row but then inexplicably slept-walked through the OSU BTT game which was widely considered to be a play-in game for the NCAA tourney. I hope we turn it up down the stretch this year but don’t think the previous years are proof that will happen. We will see.

Thanks for looking this up. I was skeptical but did not have data to confirm my doubts though.


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[Feathery]

3 hours ago, rcs29 said:

Why out of curiosity do you say that? Has he developed a jumper in 2 years under this staff? If he hasn't done that by now why would it all of a sudden change? And that is what most think is the reason his stock isn't high. I'd argue he'd be better served going to the G-League and being developed there. The really isn't much he can do outside of that to increase his value.

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He has plenty of time to develop a shot. College isn’t stopping him from developing that part of his game. It’s the time willing to put in. He comes from a family of wealth already. He doesn’t need the money or to support his family. He can get his degree, likely on a top conference team and then go pro. 

[Stuhoo]

10 minutes ago, Feathery said:

He has plenty of time to develop a shot. College isn’t stopping him from developing that part of his game. It’s the time willing to put in. He comes from a family of wealth already. He doesn’t need the money or to support his family. He can get his degree, likely on a top conference team and then go pro. 

 

Yup...we have shooting machines at Cook. Repetition, repetition, repetition.

If TJD can't be left alone from 18 feet he's a completely different player (and we are a completely different team). 

 

[cthomas]

3 hours ago, Feathery said:

TJD may not care if he is a first round pick or not. However, he is projected to be a late 2nd round pick or not drafted at all. No guarantee money in that case. He’d be best served coming back. 

I wonder if he cares all that much about the money. Given his dad's NBA career, he is probably getting good advice. I tend to think it will come down to whether he sees any benefit to staying in college another year. He can always take his chances on the NBA and, if it doesn't work out, have a long career overseas. Based on how this season is going, it's hard for me to imagine that he wants to come back next year. 

[Stuhoo]

10 minutes ago, cthomas said:

I wonder if he cares all that much about the money. Given his dad's NBA career, he is probably getting good advice. I tend to think it will come down to whether he sees any benefit to staying in college another year. He can always take his chances on the NBA and, if it doesn't work out, have a long career overseas. Based on how this season is going, it's hard for me to imagine that he wants to come back next year. 

 

And the best way for him to get unlimited hours in the gym to work on developing a jumper is by being in the NBA.

The problem is the G League is not necessarily the best way to get that development--winter bus rides from Iowa to Ohio for a Tuesday night game with a stay at the Days Inn can really screw with motivation to shoot 500 shots that same day. 

So, the question becomes; can he stick at the back of an NBA bench so that he can get those high end developmental opportunities?

 

[Alford Bailey]

20 minutes ago, cthomas said:

I wonder if he cares all that much about the money. Given his dad's NBA career, he is probably getting good advice. I tend to think it will come down to whether he sees any benefit to staying in college another year. He can always take his chances on the NBA and, if it doesn't work out, have a long career overseas. Based on how this season is going, it's hard for me to imagine that he wants to come back next year. 

Cant think he comes back unless Covid plays a role. Its hard to predict what a guy will do in the NBA but like you said you can have a long career overseas. I dont  think many on this board thought Thomas Bryant would be a starting center in the NBA in 2021.

[rcbowla]

 
And the best way for him to get unlimited hours in the gym to work on developing a jumper is by being in the NBA.
The problem is the G League is not necessarily the best way to get that development--winter bus rides from Iowa to Ohio for a Tuesday night game with a stay at the Days Inn can really screw with motivation to shoot 500 shots that same day. 
So, the question becomes; can he stick at the back of an NBA bench so that he can get those high end developmental opportunities?
 

G-League teams are now funded by NBA franchises aren't they? I mean are they seriously taking greyhounds, eating at Wendy's and staying at budget motels? I find that hard to believe but I really have no clue

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[Stuhoo]

24 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

G-League teams are now funded by NBA franchises aren't they? I mean are they seriously taking greyhounds, eating at Wendy's and staying at budget motels? I find that hard to believe but I really have no clue

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Those small city 150 mile trips are likely a bus ride instead of an NBA style chartered jet. Also, probably not Days Inn, I’m thinking Marriott courtyard.

It’s still Canton Ohio and Dubuque Iowa on a Tuesday night, it doesn’t get Miami or New York City level no matter how you slice it.

[rcbowla]

I’m thinking Marriott courtyard.
I’m thinking Marriott courtyard.
It’s still Canton Ohio and Dubuque Iowa on a Tuesday night, it doesn’t get Miami or New York City level no matter how you slice it.

That's a fair point. Maybe at least 5 Guys over Wendy's

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

1 hour ago, cthomas said:

I wonder if he cares all that much about the money. Given his dad's NBA career, he is probably getting good advice. I tend to think it will come down to whether he sees any benefit to staying in college another year. He can always take his chances on the NBA and, if it doesn't work out, have a long career overseas. Based on how this season is going, it's hard for me to imagine that he wants to come back next year. 

With the landscape what it now is, I wouldn't be all  that surprised to see him transfer to another school.  I think he'd take that option vs. overseas if the NBA wasn't a certainty.  And what message would that send about our current coach?

[Stuhoo]

21 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

With the landscape what it now is, I wouldn't be all  that surprised to see him transfer to another school.  I think he'd take that option vs. overseas if the NBA wasn't a certainty.  And what message would that send about our current coach?

If that happened? It would send the worst message humanly possible.