General Coach Candidate News

[str8baller 6,217]

26 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

I have been asking this same question and have not gotten an answer.  Michigan may have had that low because he was not a sure fire guy at this level and wanted an offramp if he could not reproduce the FAU results.

You guys are confusing two different things. In these contracts there are two clauses on separation. 
 

1. “The buy out” is what the coach or another party would owe the university of Michigan if the coach left for another job. The coach always wants this to be as low as possible and the university wants it as high as possible.  

and,

 

2. The guaranteed portion of the contract due to the coach if he’s fired. The university always wants this as low as possible and the coach wants it as high as possible.   
 

When people talk about Dusty’s low buyout, they’re talking about scenario 1. I have no idea if any of it is true but that’s how it generally works. 

[Unexpectedflash 1,250]

6 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

Sorry, dominating the BIg South with wins over Presbyterian and Longwood......nah.....if he dominates at Louisville for 4-5 years, then the experiment is proven and would take him...but not at this point....

What coach is leaving after dominating 4-5 years at Louisville. People should really look at how coaching searches for schools across the country have gone recently. People aren’t leaving schools they have rolling 

[SlammySammy 533]

Just now, Unexpectedflash said:

What coach is leaving after dominating 4-5 years at Louisville. People should really look at how coaching searches for schools across the country have gone recently. People aren’t leaving schools they have rolling 

Understood...it was a hypothetical....as in the current record does not do it for me....He been to the field of 64 twice and now he is having a good year and somehow that is a good indicator of him being a great coach? If that is the case, again, lets just rehire Crean....

[Dave from Dayton 3,732]

1 minute ago, Mopladysman said:

Correct me if I’m wrong on this.  Kelsey makes 2.3 mil.  His contract is through 2029.  95% buyout I believe puts it at somehere 8-10 million?  

I don’t want Kelsey but how’s that compare to Dusty’s?    

I'm more interested in comparing Kelsey to Dusty to Ben McCollum to Archie Miller at Dayton.  Money to me is not the issue.  It is can this prospective coach win?  And can he transition to IU and fit?  And can he recruit?  And can he win the boosters over?  Can he tell the difference between an X and an O and ...circles back to win at this level?  I mean compete for the top of the B1G almost every year and make a run deep into the final 16 with a chance at the NC periodically.  Does he understand the importance of guard play and game planning?

[Eagle’s Rug 436]

5 minutes ago, CrossboneIU22 said:

Speaking of processes........ where has our resident BoT member been?  (I'm still a few pages behind this morning if she surfaces in the next 5 pages)

She’s in the Fire Woodson thread a day late and a dollar short with her version of why Woody moved on.  Go say hi.

[steubenhoosier 1,449]

27 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Would love Cronin, he's my 1b behind Otzelberger who I don't think would take the job.

Wait...I thought you were all in on Will Wade?

[Stuhoo 84,693]

59 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

WHat did you think of the game you went to at the O'dome?

Going to my first one this Saturday night against S. Carolina. Really looking forward to it - my UF son says it's a live crowd but the vibe isn't as interesting or similar to Assembly.

I've got pretty solid seats - if I get within shouting distance of Golden I will let him know that he's the flavor of the month and if he proves himself he may be worth taking.

[Chris007 52,108]

4 minutes ago, Trish said:

Nothing wrong with having booze in the office.. ;)

I'll never forget Wilson and Jeff Overton sitting in Wilson's office getting hammered, then deciding it was a good idea to go hit some pitching wedges at the new 2 million dollar scoreboard. Good times

[Stuhoo 84,693]

4 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

I know you are a moderator but being a smartass really doesn't fit the board...

Sorry - love me/love my occasional snark. And being an on-topic smartass kinda does fit the board    :)

 

[8bucks 6,860]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

You guys are confusing two different things. In these contracts there are two clauses on separation. 
 

1. “The buy out” is what the coach or another party would owe the university of Michigan if the coach left for another job. The coach always wants this to be as low as possible and the university wants it as high as possible.  

and,

 

2. The guaranteed portion of the contract due to the coach if he’s fired. The university always wants this as low as possible and the coach wants it as high as possible.   
 

When people talk about Dusty’s low buyout, they’re talking about scenario 1. I have no idea if any of it is true but that’s how it generally works. 

Sure but when negotiating these, the school can argue for a lower #2 and the coach can argue for a lower #1.  If a school insists on a low #2 the coach will do the same and argue for a low #1 and vice versa.  So i see them as all part of the negotiations.  

[Silat Player 938]

50 minutes ago, Unexpectedflash said:

I feel like there’s zero chance Kelsey leaves Louisville. He’s all in with them or a great actor. Also think there’s zero chance golden leaves because why would he. He has no ties to Indiana and has Florida rolling. He’ll get a nice raise to stay 

I think the open IU job is going to get A LOT of guys raises in the next few weeks, if their agents are good...

[SlammySammy 533]

Well, at least we don't have anyone rooting for Fife or Michael Lewis...yet....Well, facebook groups don't count lol...

[Mopladysman 678]

2 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

I'm more interested in comparing Kelsey to Dusty to Ben McCollum to Archie Miller at Dayton.  Money to me is not the issue.  It is can this prospective coach win?  And can he transition to IU and fit?  And can he recruit?  And can he win the boosters over?  Can he tell the difference between an X and an O and ...circles back to win at this level?  I mean compete for the top of the B1G almost every year and make a run deep into the final 16 with a chance at the NC periodically.  Does he understand the importance of guard play and game planning?

My point was did dusty take the Michigan job for a 4-5 million dollar buyout versus a 8-10 million dollar buyout so he could slide over to Iu or just because he doesn’t like river people?

[normandale97 490]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I'll never forget Wilson and Jeff Overton sitting in Wilson's office getting hammered, then deciding it was a good idea to go hit some pitching wedges at the new 2 million dollar scoreboard. Good times

And stories like this are why we won't go after Beard. 

[Dave from Dayton 3,732]

6 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

I know you are a moderator but being a smartass really doesn't fit the board...

Well, we left the fan site that the opposite was true.

Sometimes we all read with the intent to respond and not with the intent to understand.  Snark uber alles!  not

[AH1971 2,013]

5 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Wait...I thought you were all in on Will Wade?

Would take Will Wade in a heartbeat. 

[str8baller 6,217]

3 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Sure but when negotiating these, the school can argue for a lower #2 and the coach can argue for a lower #1.  If a school insists on a low #2 the coach will do the same and argue for a low #1 and vice versa.  So i see them as all part of the negotiations.  

You can argue anything, but negotiation is about leverage. Dusty has two high profile schools with open offers to him so he held most of the leverage. 

[Artie86 2,637]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I work at IU and you don't think I know what I'm talking about. 

lol!!!! ;)

[str8baller 6,217]

8 minutes ago, SlammySammy said:

Understood...it was a hypothetical....as in the current record does not do it for me....He been to the field of 64 twice and now he is having a good year and somehow that is a good indicator of him being a great coach? If that is the case, again, lets just rehire Crean....

Indiana isn’t in the market of hiring a great coach. Great coaches rarely move. 
 

Indiana’s in the market of hiring a coach who can be great at IU.

[Dave from Dayton 3,732]

3 minutes ago, Mopladysman said:

My point was did dusty take the Michigan job for a 4-5 million dollar buyout versus a 8-10 million dollar buyout so he could slide over to Iu or just because he doesn’t like river people?

Yes, I understood and understand your point.  It is a good point too.  I just don't really focus on the $$$ side of this issue.  I have much more interest in the wins and coaching aspects.  What about the players, too?