General Coach Candidate News

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2 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Musselman was 20-12 last year at Arkansas which was Archie's record last year.  So we are talking about Musselman over one great year at a power 5 conference.

20-12 in his FIRST year at a school not his third year.... He is also in the sweet 16 in his second year not sitting at home like we was. Great comparisons keep them coming.

[AZ Hoosier 9,949]

24 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Common sense. We're adding fuel to the fire with all these coaching rumors. 

Better programs and coaches will reach out and snag these guys. Meanwhile we're coachless while big transfers wonder elsewhere. 

So what's your solution, Obi Wan? You want to re-hire Archie? Let the process run it's course... and stop being such a fatalist...

[Unexpectedflash 1,393]

Oats is where the game of basketball is heading. I know lots of old schoolers want the Bobby Knight motion offense again but that's just not what basketball is anymore. Oats is one of the most innovative coaches in college basketball. I want him badly. 

[Capt. Crimson 3,855]

Just now, Unexpectedflash said:

Oats is where the game of basketball is heading. I know lots of old schoolers want the Bobby Knight motion offense again but that's just not what the game of basketball is anymore. Oats is one of the most innovative coaches in college basketball. I want him badly. 

He's happy at Alabama. He already crossed himself off the list.

 

[IU Scott 2,375]

Just now, Capt. Crimson said:

He's happy at Alabama. He already crossed himself off the list.

 

With a huge buyout as well

[TadQueasy 2,001]

Just now, Unexpectedflash said:

Oats is where the game of basketball is heading. I know lots of old schoolers want the Bobby Knight motion offense again but that's just not what the game of basketball is anymore. Oats is one of the most innovative coaches in college basketball. I want him badly. 

What exactly does he do that is so innovative?  

[Golfman25 6,349]

10 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Let's just hope the new coach -- whoever he is -- can persuade Race and Armaan to stay. I s'pose I should say Stewart as well, but having not seen him play at IU, it's difficult to miss something you never had. 

If those guys do go -- and TJD departs -- the new coach will be looking at an empty cupboard. Not quite like what Crean got when he arrived, but sheesh ... 

He could inherit a roster of six scholarship players: Leal, Lander, Galloway, Geronimo, Jerome and Rob. Throw in Brunk if he stays and Duncomb if he comes and you get eight. Some decent players, but that's not a B1G roster. 

So just spitballing, what if a guy like Woodson could get TJD to stay.  He would definitely have the clout to say "kid, you're not quite ready for the NBA, but give me a year and I'll make you a first rounder."   

[Trish 13,633]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

So what's your solution, Obi Wan? You want to re-hire Archie? Let the process run it's course... and stop being such a fatalist...

Well first, Scott needs to tell me his list. Tell me whose he honestly considering and who is willing to come.

At that point, I'll decide what's best for Indiana Basketball. 

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4 minutes ago, Evariste Galois said:

If it is only recent, then that is literally the definition of "flavor of the month". 

Edit: To be clear, I am not knocking Musselman. I also think he could be a great hire.

He has been pretty successful the last 6 years in the NCAA. I am not saying he is exactly what I want, but I would take him every day of the week and twice on Sunday over Woodson.

[IU Scott 2,375]

Just now, TadQueasy said:

What exactly does he do that is so innovative?  

He uses analytics which has ruined the game of basketball.  When you take half the court away to defend it makes it easier to guard you.  It is all 3's and layups and nothing else.  if you aren't hitting your 3's then you are in bad shape.

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Just now, AZ Hoosier said:

So what's your solution, Obi Wan? You want to re-hire Archie? Let the process run it's course... and stop being such a fatalist...

+1000

We are actually arguing over many really great potential coaches. We are only ~10 days out and it seems like we missed on our top choice. It took 10 days last time and got our top choice and we seem to be swinging harder this year.  

[Unexpectedflash 1,393]

1 minute ago, TadQueasy said:

What exactly does he do that is so innovative?  

Someone already posted this but it's a good read. I like reading that he can change up his defense in an offseason because he saw something that wasn't working. 

 https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ball-oats-how-alabama-became-an-sec-powerhouse-overnight-on-its-way-to-possibly-changing-college-basketball/

[Unexpectedflash 1,393]

1 minute ago, IU Scott said:

He uses analytics which has ruined the game of basketball.  When you take half the court away to defend it makes it easier to guard you.  It is all 3's and layups and nothing else.  if you aren't hitting your 3's then you are in bad shape.

I like that they're the number 2 kenpom defense but that's just me. I've watched 75% of Alabama's games this year so what you're saying just isn't true. They have struggled to shoot from 3 in games and have still pulled out the win. 

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7 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

the names from power 5 I see hasn't done it more than a couple of years in Musselman and Oats.  Oats was 16-15 last year at Alabama so we are going to go off of one good season.  We said Davis won with RMK players and a lot of Oats players were already at Alabama when Oats got there.

I don't want to belabor a point and I posted this article a couple hours ago about Oats, but if anyone reads it, you'll see what Oats really has working for him is ......... AN ACTUAL WINNING PLAN.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ball-oats-how-alabama-became-an-sec-powerhouse-overnight-on-its-way-to-possibly-changing-college-basketball/

Some people, including Scott Dolson, refer to this as "vision". Other people refer to it as "culture" ------ all the same thing really. It's about establishing a "true north" direction for something ---- a company, a non-profit, a sports organization, etc. and it is what ultimately leads to establishing a BRAND or IDENTITY (something else Dolson spoke of though he couldn't really articulate what the IU identity was when asked).

And THAT is what we need. Dolson said as much in his press conference ---- someone who has a vision and someone who can convince Dolson of an ability to put it into action. 

It's the same reason the Cubs hired Theo. He had a plan to build a winning culture from the inside out. A world series and however many playoff appearances in a row and he obviously accomplished what he set out to do. 

So I cannot dismiss Oats for that simple reason. Especially because he did it quickly. But I will happily accept anybody --- including those with Hoosier ties --- who understand this concept and who can actually DO WHAT THEY CLAIM THEY CAN.

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1 minute ago, Unexpectedflash said:

I like reading that he can change up his defense in an offseason because he saw something that wasn't working. 

That has to be fake news!  We all know it takes at least 3+ years to implement a new defensive scheme.  

[AZ Hoosier 9,949]

43 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

LOL!  I have been a fan of IU longer and most on here has been alive.  I know what great IU teams look like and what made those teams great.  If we can't get guys like Stevens or Bennett or Beard then I would rather go with an IU guy over the next flavor of the month coach.  Crean and Archie was considered very good hires who was up and coming and how did that work.

To be fair, Crean spent the first couple of season wading around in the cesspool that Sampson built... but Crean was definitely here too long after screwing up the Cody/Vic team - should have been at least a Final Four run, but Crean could not beat a zone... 

Archie just failed to develop the program... 

And to your point, both were regaled as good hires... and ultimately, here we are again.

[TadQueasy 2,001]

1 minute ago, Unexpectedflash said:

Someone already posted this but it's a good read. I like reading that he can change up his defense in an offseason because he saw something that wasn't working. 

 https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ball-oats-how-alabama-became-an-sec-powerhouse-overnight-on-its-way-to-possibly-changing-college-basketball/

I think we have a misunderstanding of innovative.  

None of that is innovative.  That stuff has been around awhile.  

[Unexpectedflash 1,393]

Just now, TadQueasy said:

I think we have a misunderstanding of innovative.  

None of that is innovative.  That stuff has been around awhile.  

I don't see many other college teams running it

[Trish 13,633]

I'll be turning on my Twitter notifications tomorrow. I think we'll know by Saturday. 

If we don't have a new coach by Monday then it's probably Oats buy-out or Drew. 

[Hardwood83 4,907]

14 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Ehh. I think Frank and Race would've stayed. We could be chasing the transfer market right now ourselves as their as some nice players out there. 

The Northeastern kid is deciding this weekend. Waiting too long and we might have a JV team out there next season!

That would suck, but will be worth it to hire the right guy. What's the saying? "Mr Right is seldom Mr Right now"

Get the right coach and in 3 years no one will care if we lost a couple of solid players from a lousy team.